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How much Coke is too much Coke?

Feb 12, 2013#1

Frank

10 liters a day apparently.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8293647/Coca-Cola-addiction-linked-to-death

Feb 12, 2013#2

Gared

Frank said:
10 liters a day apparently.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8293647/Coca-Cola-addiction-linked-to-death

Damn... 2 cans a day is too much for me. 10 liters? That's one serious addiction.

Feb 12, 2013#3

Silent Bob

Frank said:
10 liters a day apparently.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8293647/Coca-Cola-addiction-linked-to-death

Uh, soft drinks.

The best way to start living healthy is to completely remove soft drinks from one's diet.

Feb 12, 2013#4

Gilgamesh

This much is too much:

Feb 12, 2013#5

Dave

I have one or two cans a day and that's it. It's the only caffeine that I get as I don't drink coffee.

10 liters? Insanity.

Feb 12, 2013#6

Frank

The father's comments that he didn't think anything of it at the time, he thought it was like drinking water, are just as nuts as Coca-Cola's defense that they think there's no evidence drinking 10 liters of Coke a day can be a detriment to your health. The story is just a huge bag of insanity.

Feb 12, 2013#7

Dave

Good thing this was in New Zealand. Were it the US Coke would be getting sued.

Feb 12, 2013#8

Chad Sexington

Oh man. Ouch.

I used to drink way too damn much pop in high school (1-1.5L/day) and quitting cold when I was 19 is one of the best decisions I made. Now (I'm 24) I get the occasionally craving for pop and if I have one, I usually can't finish it, it's just sooo damn sweet.

10L/day. I can't imagine.

I feel badly for her and her family.

Feb 12, 2013#9

Tress

I drink a can or two of Coke Zero a day, and I want to cut that out completely too. I can't imagine 10L.

Feb 12, 2013#10

drawn_inward

Silent Bob said:
Uh, soft drinks.

The best way to start living healthy is to completely remove soft drinks from one's diet.

Agreed.

I was drinking 2L of Mountain Dew per day as an undergrad. One day I was in the lab and measured out the ~250 grams of sugar that I was consuming every day, and about fell over. I stopped drinking it after that.

I now have the occasional Coke Zero or Diet Pepsi, but I haven't had a full-sugar soda in years. I am trying to cut soda out completely, but Mexican food and pizza wouldn't be the same w/o it!

Feb 12, 2013#11

figmentPez

I find it hard to imagine ten liters a day of any liquid. That has got to be hell on your kidneys.

Feb 12, 2013#12

fade

Jeez you guys drink/drank a lot of soda. Maybe 2-4x a month. It starts tasting gross beyond that. It reminds me of downing maple syrup with bubbles.

Feb 12, 2013#13

Chad Sexington

drawn_inward said:
pizza wouldn't be the same w/o it!

This is so true. I rarely have pop in my apartment and often eat pizza only to get a never-sated craving for some.

Feb 12, 2013#14

MindDetective

fade said:
Jeez you guys drink/drank a lot of soda. Maybe 2-4x a month. It starts tasting gross beyond that. It reminds me of downing maple syrup with bubbles.

Bro-fisted for the description. I periodically remind myself that soda is liquid candy. Still, I go through phases where I drink to much, such as the last week or two. :-\

Feb 12, 2013#15

Tress

Chad Sexington said:
This is so true. I rarely have pop in my apartment and often eat pizza only to get a never-sated craving for some.

For me it's pizza, burgers, or hot dogs. I couldn't imagine going to a Giants game and having water with my hot dog. It would just be wrong.

Feb 12, 2013#16

figmentPez

fade said:
Jeez you guys drink/drank a lot of soda. Maybe 2-4x a month. It starts tasting gross beyond that. It reminds me of downing maple syrup with bubbles.

That's why I like this:

Dry soda, it's got like half the sugar of most sodas, or less. I still only drink some every week or two, but I wish there were more sodas like this.

Although, Izze-esque is pretty good too.

Feb 12, 2013#17

Dave

I like to have a soda with pretty much any hot meal. I hate drinking plain water with food.

Where I really overdue my soda use? When I'm playing a video game. I'll drink when I get a breath and tend to drink half the can as I don't know when I'll be able to drink again. So I go through a lot. It's worse when I have a glass instead of a can because it's harder to determine the total intake.

Feb 12, 2013#18

Gared

Yeah, it's the "mouthfeel" that gets me too, more often than not. The fact that it's technically a liquid, but really it's a syrup with carbonation. I still have a can of soda every once in a while, at work where they're free or at home if we order pizza, but not like when I was living with my parents and they kept a fridge in the basement just to keep soda and beer cold, and I'd have several cans a day.

Feb 12, 2013#19

ThatNickGuy

I haven't touched pop in a long, long time with one exception: when I see a movie at the theatre. Then, root beer's the only thing that goes with popcorn.

Feb 12, 2013#20

Frank

Dave said:
I like to have a soda with pretty much any hot meal. I hate drinking plain water with food.

Where I really overdue my soda use? When I'm playing a video game. I'll drink when I get a breath and tend to drink half the can as I don't know when I'll be able to drink again. So I go through a lot. It's worse when I have a glass instead of a can because it's harder to determine the total intake.

I'm the same with video games, which is why I had to just straight stop drinking soda when I gamed. I would grab two cans and before I knew I was done one of them, they'd both be empty. Mindless consumption.

Feb 12, 2013#21

WasabiPoptart

I get a 20 oz bottle and split it between two days. I used to drink soda a lot, but have cut back quite a bit. I'd rather drink iced tea or flavored seltzer.

Feb 12, 2013#22

sixpackshaker

10 liters a day could lead to water intoxication.

Feb 12, 2013#23

GasBandit

How has this NOT been posted yet?!

Fun fact - before I gave it up (and cold turkey, THAT was fun), I was up to 2+ liters a day. Now I don't feel as clever and quick as I was back then. But everybody tells me I'm WAY less of an asshole.

Feb 12, 2013#24

Ravenpoe

Man, as a kid I drank way too much soda. As in, it was the only liquid I drank throughout the day. When I grew up and realized how incredibly bad that was for you, I cut soda out of my diet completely and now drink only water. It was a really hard transition to make, because I -really- fucking wanted a coke, but not buying it and stocking bottled water in my home instead eventually did the trick. Now water is delicious.

Feb 12, 2013#25

GasBandit

Ravenpoe said:
Man, as a kid I drank way too much soda. As in, it was the only liquid I drank throughout the day. When I grew up and realized how incredibly bad that was for you, I cut soda out of my diet completely and now drink only water. It was a really hard transition to make, because I -really- fucking wanted a coke, but not buying it and stocking bottled water in my home instead eventually did the trick. Now water is delicious.

I hear you. When I was in my teens and 20s, Mountain Dew in the wide mouth can was the fuel that kept my afterburner going 24/7. Went through a 6 pack a day of those back in high school. As I mentioned, when I finally quit, I was at the point of buying a 2 liter of diet (my one previous concession, to avoid adult acne) on my way into work in the morning and it would be gone by the time I went home.

Feb 12, 2013#26

Hylian

I cannot imagine drinking that much soda in one day. Even when I did drink soda it was usually only 1 or 2 cans a day and even with that I felt bleh and decided to cut it out of my diet years ago.

Feb 12, 2013#27

Gilgamesh

I drink 2 20oz Coke Zeroes a day. That's about it.

Feb 12, 2013#28

BananaHands

I used to be terribly addicted to Wild Cherry Pepsi.

I made the move to La Croix and/or carbonated water (with slight flavoring) because I've found that I'm more into the carbonation than the sweet.

Diet/No-Calorie soda creeps me out because of aspartame.

Feb 12, 2013#29

PatrThom

I tend to binge. And when I binge, it's almost exclusively on Throwback.

--Patrick

Feb 12, 2013#30

fade

I love water. I especially like it cold from the cooler at work. If I'm hot and sweaty, I like to imagine I just dipped it out of a mountain stream. Don't get me wrong, now. I do like soda, but not too much. I had two cans of Coke in one day a few months back because they were free, and bleh, that second one was nasty, and my teeth felt like they were wearing socks.

Feb 12, 2013#31

Cheesy1

I may be a fatass, but if there is one thing my parents did right by me and my siblings, it was getting us off cola. I will only on occasion have a Dr. Pepper, and that's only a small cup of it when I go out to a fast food place with other people. Usually I'm either drinking water or teas. If I try to drink a regular cola now, it makes me so sick that I will start coughing up blobs of syrup. It's disgusting! :puke:

Feb 12, 2013#32

Cajungal

I'd been drinking a lot of Dr. Pepper 10 last year. This winter, I got a terrible sinus infection and completely lost my taste for it. I was drinking it mostly as a ritual; it got me through the second half of my work day. After two weeks of not being able to take anything in but water and soup, they just taste funny now. I'm back to the occasional club soda with a bit of lime or cranberry juice.

Feb 12, 2013#33

Azurephoenix

10L of coca cola is over 4000 calories...

Sweet mercy that's horrible.

Feb 12, 2013#34

PatrThom

Empty calories.

--Patrick

Feb 12, 2013#35

ThatNickGuy

Cheesy1 said:
If I try to drink a regular cola now, it makes me so sick that I will start coughing up blobs of syrup.

That's completely disgusting.

I have no idea why I'm aroused.

Feb 12, 2013#36

Cheesy1

Feb 12, 2013#37

sixpackshaker

Yeah, that is totally good for you.

Feb 12, 2013#38

Dave

To put it in perspective:

Serving size: 8 oz
Calories: 100
Sodium: 30 mg (1% daily value)
Total Carbs: 27 g (all sugar carbs) (9% daily value)

Servings per 2 liter bottle? 8
Servings per 10 - 2 liter bottles? 80

Calories: 8000
Sodium: 2400 mg (80% daily value)
Total Carbs: 2160 g (720% daily value)

Ho. Lee. Shit. And that's if she didn't EAT anything!

Feb 12, 2013#39

GasBandit

It was all about the caffeine for me. I don't like coffee, or I probably would have been a starbucks junkie.

Feb 12, 2013#40

Dave

Each 12 ounces of Coke has 34 mg of caffeine. 10 - 2 liter bottles has 676.28 oz. That's 1,916.127 mg of caffeine each day. Why did she have a heart attack? Gee, I don't know.

By the way, Mayo clinic says that over 500 mg a day is dangerous to your health on an extended basis. This is nearly 4 times that amount.

Feb 12, 2013#41

GasBandit

Dave said:
Each 12 ounces of Coke has 34 mg of caffeine. 10 - 2 liter bottles has 676.28 oz. That's 1,916.127 mg of caffeine each day. Why did she have a heart attack? Gee, I don't know.

By the way, Mayo clinic says that over 500 mg a day is dangerous to your health on an extended basis. This is nearly 4 times that amount.

Hell yeah. 200 or so a day was what I was getting, I think. Much more than that, and I turned into Foamy the squirrel.

Feb 12, 2013#42

PatrThom

GasBandit said:
Much more than that, and I turned into Foamy the squirrel.

I would've thought you'd say Shakes the Clown, instead.

--Patrick

Feb 12, 2013#43

GasBandit

PatrThom said:
I would've thought you'd say Shakes the Clown, instead.

--Patrick

No, believe it or not, I'm never a downer. I just can get a little... harsh... with excessive amounts of stimulants. And my metaphors get a lot more colorful and involve more orifices, more blunt force trauma, and generally come rapid fire.

Feb 12, 2013#44

PatrThom

Try to avoid the Red Bull/Vodka cocktails, then.

--Patrick

Feb 12, 2013#45

sixpackshaker

PatrThom said:
Try to avoid the Red Bull/Vodka cocktails, then.

--Patrick

NO! well Red Bull/Jeager is fun.

Feb 12, 2013#46

GasBandit

PatrThom said:
Try to avoid the Red Bull/Vodka cocktails, then.

--Patrick

Red Bull Jagerbombs were what really got me. But like I said... I went cold turkey off caffeine.[DOUBLEPOST=1360698557][/DOUBLEPOST]

sixpackshaker said:
NO! well Red Bull/Jeager is fun.

Ha! My brother from another mother.

Feb 12, 2013#47

checkeredhat

... I drink 1-2 cans every 3-4 months.

Feb 12, 2013#48

Azurephoenix

GasBandit said:
Red Bull Jagerbombs were what really got me. But like I said... I went cold turkey off caffeine.

I still have a Jagerbomb every once in a while to celebrate things

Feb 12, 2013#49

Enresshou

I drank an entire 2-liter in a day a couple times (mainly at my first job at a pizza place, where we didn't have water cups and the tap water was always lukewarm), but jesus. Ten liters a day? I'm of the opinion that her heart didn't "stop" so much as beat too quickly for the EKG to pick up.

Feb 12, 2013#50

GasBandit

Enresshou said:
I drank an entire 2-liter in a day a couple times (mainly at my first job at a pizza place, where we didn't have water cups and the tap water was always lukewarm), but jesus. Ten liters a day? I'm of the opinion that her heart didn't "stop" so much as beat too quickly for the EKG to pick up.

Ha! It crossed over into the SPEED FORCE

Feb 12, 2013#51

Enresshou

Hah; I remembered that episode of JLU after posting that, actually...

Feb 12, 2013#52

blotsfan

The only time in my life when I drank a ton of soda was when I was a busboy. Employees could help themselves to the soda dispenser. I have a crippling weakness to Dr Pepper when its available.

Now I try to only drink soda as a mixer.

Feb 12, 2013#53

Silent Bob

Tress said:
For me it's pizza, burgers, or hot dogs. I couldn't imagine going to a Giants game and having water with my hot dog. It would just be wrong.

I was the same way, especially with pizza and Chinese food. Get an unsweetened ice tea or lemonade instead.

Feb 13, 2013#54

Siska

I mostly stopped drinking soda after the age of 20. I just don't really enjoy the flavor anymore. Dunno why. Perhaps it's because I moved to the US and they don't use real sugar? Sometimes I crave fanta during the summer. But really, a few sips and I'm good. Craving satisfied. More than that and I feel like I am force feeding myself. Which I've finally come to realize is a really stupid thing to do with any junk food.

Feb 13, 2013#55

LordRendar

I also don't enjoy the taste of softdrinks.I prefer drinking Bionade.

Feb 13, 2013#56

Frank

That is a soft drink. Even though it's all-natural etc, it's still bad for you.

Feb 13, 2013#57

Bubble181

Like others in here, I only drink pop/soda/bubbles/soft drink with certain meals or in certain places. With a Pizza Hut pizza, or a McDonalds hamburger, I do'nt think a good fresh orange juice will taste decent. Other than with that kind of crap, when you KNOW you're eating crap and drinking crap to match....Well, no.
Oh, also when I'm drunk and tired. I might have a coke then.

Otherwise, water all the way. I've had to cut back pretty hard, as I *was* going through over 10L a day at one point. Now I try to stick to a maximum of 4L of water a day...Which is easy on some days, harder on others.

Feb 13, 2013#58

Kovac

Back when I was a teenager I would drink a lot of coke when lanning with my friends.

I wouldn't have been drinking in an entire weekend what she managed in a day :confused:

Not even if there was a game of DnD mixed in.

Feb 13, 2013#59

Gared

I have to admit to not actually reading the article linked in the OP; but according to the article on MSN, she also smoked 30 cigarettes a day. I'm sure that was a contributing factor in her death as well. Or the fact that the article said she "didn't eat much." Sounds like she was getting the vast majority of her nutrient intake from Coca Cola.

Feb 13, 2013#60

Dave

If I had 8 kids and was in my 30's I'd kill myself with cigarettes & whatever else I could get my hands on.

It's a sad & strangely funny story, but I feel sorry for her 8 kids.

Feb 13, 2013#61

sixpackshaker

She would have lived longer on Cutty Sark.

Feb 13, 2013#62

Dave

According to ABC news she "had her teeth extracted several years ago.

Feb 13, 2013#63

Gared

Dave said:
According to ABC news she "had her teeth extracted several years ago.

But of course, none of these things were signs that maybe, just maybe, she should have taken better care of herself; and therefor it's the soda industry's duty to prevent things like this from happening again by increasing the amount of warning labels on their products.

Feb 13, 2013#64

PatrThom

sixpackshaker said:
Yeah, that is totally good for you.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/cocacola-introduces-new-30liter-size,1696/

--Patrick

Feb 13, 2013#65

strawman

Dave said:
If I had 8 kids and was in my 30's I'd kill myself with cigarettes & whatever else I could get my hands on.

In other news, the unofficial spokesman of The Heart Attack Grill has died, unsurprisingly, of a heart attack.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/13/heart-attack-grills-unofficial-spokesman-dies-of-heart-attack/

Feb 13, 2013#66

Frank

Holy shit, even with 4 patties, how do you manage 10000 calories in a burger? How fucking big are those patties? What kind of nonsense super saturated fat goo must be used everywhere else?

Feb 13, 2013#67

Azurephoenix

Frank said:
Holy shit, even with 4 patties, how do you manage 10000 calories in a burger? How fucking big are those patties? What kind of nonsense super saturated fat goo must be used everywhere else?

Maybe the cheese is actually "cheese flavoured fat product"?

That really is a brutal number of calories if true.

Feb 13, 2013#68

sixpackshaker

Allerman was, at around 180lbs, not particularly overweight.

Predisposition is a bitch.

Feb 13, 2013#69

Tress

Allerman was, at around 180lbs, not particularly overweight.

However, approximately 40 pounds of that was cholesterol built up in his arteries.

I shouldn't make jokes. A man died, and that's not funny. But it does seem poetic. Eating that food really is awful, and I don't know why people go there.

Feb 13, 2013#70

GasBandit

Tress said:
However, approximately 40 pounds of that was cholesterol built up in his arteries.

I shouldn't make jokes. A man died, and that's not funny. But it does seem poetic. Eating that food really is awful, and I don't know why people go there.

The owner even told him, "if you keep eating this way you are going to die." The guy died at the bus stop in front of the restaurant.

Feb 13, 2013#71

Gared

Frank said:
Holy shit, even with 4 patties, how do you manage 10000 calories in a burger? How fucking big are those patties? What kind of nonsense super saturated fat goo must be used everywhere else?

It's a 1.444kg burger with 2lbs of beef and what would appear to be 8 slices of bacon, sliced tomatoes, red onions, American cheese, and special sauce.

Feb 13, 2013#72

blotsfan

They coat the buns in lard before cooking them. I wouldn't get the 4 patty one but I'd try a double. I'm sure it tastes really good.

Feb 13, 2013#73

sixpackshaker

...and last year I could have eaten there free.

Feb 13, 2013#74

strawman

sixpackshaker said:
...and last year I could have eaten there free.

Congrats on not being in that category anymore!

Feb 13, 2013#75

Squidleybits

PatrThom said:
View attachment 10259

http://www.theonion.com/articles/cocacola-introduces-new-30liter-size,1696/

--Patrick

I could do some bad things to a bottle of diet coke that big!!

Feb 13, 2013#76

sixpackshaker

Feb 13, 2013#77

Ravenpoe

Squidleybits said:
I could do some bad things to a bottle of diet coke that big!!

Feb 13, 2013#78

Dave

Frank said:
Holy shit, even with 4 patties, how do you manage 10000 calories in a burger? How fucking big are those patties? What kind of nonsense super saturated fat goo must be used everywhere else?

For each patty you can put on 4 strips of bacon. Please note that these 20 strips of bacon are NOT drained of grease and are put on the burger while still dripping.

Feb 13, 2013#79

Cheesy1

Feb 13, 2013#80

fade

Dammit Cheesy1 I laughed loud enough to wake up my wife.

Feb 13, 2013#81

Yoshimickster

Not to sound like a broken record, but also the long-term effects to one's bone marrow that may lead to arthritis.

Feb 14, 2013#82

Gared

Eh, I've already got problems with arthritis. Having a few sodas a month isn't gonna make a difference.

Feb 14, 2013#83

Cheesy1

Feb 14, 2013#84

DarkAudit

Can I get my mom to give up the diet Dr Pepper? Not bloody likely.

Knee replacement is next week. Shoulders and other knee will eventually follow.

Feb 14, 2013#85

LittleSin

I haven't had pop since I was, like, 4 or 5 years old.

There's a story behind that. ("When is there not, LittleSin?")

Jet has only had pop maybe three itmes under my watch...unless his Dad or grandparents sneak it to him when I'm not looking!

Feb 14, 2013#86

strawman

Oh sure, deprive him of pop, but you don't mind if someone gives him a lemon slice!

Feb 14, 2013#87

LittleSin

stienman said:
Oh sure, deprive him of pop, but you don't mind if someone gives him a lemon slice!

He BEGS me for lemons at the grocery store. He loves the friggin' things.

Feb 14, 2013#88

fade

I don't know why, but the word "pop" for soda rubs my ears the wrong way. Then again where I'm from it's no better. It's "coke", regardless of whether it's a coke, sprite, dr. pepper, etc.

Feb 14, 2013#89

Cajungal

That confuses me so much.

You want a coke?
Sure.
What kind?

Feb 14, 2013#90

strawman

fade said:
I don't know why, but the word "pop" for soda rubs my ears the wrong way. Then again where I'm from it's no better. It's "coke", regardless of whether it's a coke, sprite, dr. pepper, etc.

If I'm out of my state and don't know what the locals call it, I use "soda pop" just in case. Everyone understands that.

I've been to places where people are honestly confused by "pop", though I don't know that anyone would ever be confused by soda.

But Michigan is pop country.

Coke is just wrong. If you ask for a coke here, you get a coca cola. But that applies to such a small portion of the US that its rarely an issue, and while soda pop sounds weird to them, they always understand it.

Feb 14, 2013#91

figmentPez

Cajungal said:
That confuses me so much.

You want a coke?
Sure.
What kind?

When my family first moved to Texas we were at Burger King when the person in front of us ordered a "Coke Dr. Pepper"... We argued for weeks over what that meant.

Feb 14, 2013#92

fade

stienman said:
Coke is just wrong. If you ask for a coke here, you get a coca cola. But that applies to such a small portion of the US that its rarely an issue, and while soda pop sounds weird to them, they always understand it.

Yeah, but you would never order a generic coke any more than you'd order a generic pop. You'd ask for the specific brand if you wanted a specific brand. If you wanted anything, then actual coke was probably fine anyway.

Feb 14, 2013#93

PatrThom

http://www.popvssoda.com/

What the heck is it with Missouri?

--Patrick

Feb 14, 2013#94

sixpackshaker

now why isn't that page soda vs. coke?

Feb 17, 2013#95

bhamv3

Before I joined the army, I had soft drinks pretty much on a daily basis, maybe 500 to 1000 ml a day.

Then I headed off to boot camp, where only water was available for a month. And boy did we learn to love water, what with all the marching and drilling and running, all in tropical August weather.

And after boot camp, the first thing I did when I went on leave was to head to the first convenience store I saw and grab a Pepsi and a Snickers bar. And I couldn't finish either one of them. Both were far too sweet to me. It was a completely mind-boggling experience, because I used to pretty much inhale them.

And then after I left the army I went back to my old habits.

Feb 18, 2013#96

Covar

fade said:
Yeah, but you would never order a generic coke any more than you'd order a generic pop. You'd ask for the specific brand if you wanted a specific brand. If you wanted anything, then actual coke was probably fine anyway.

What is a generic Coke? Coke is short for Coca-Cola. Now There's generic Colas (RC, Pepsi, etc.) but there's only one Coke.

Feb 18, 2013#97

fade

Covar said:
What is a generic Coke? Coke is short for Coca-Cola. Now There's generic Colas (RC, Pepsi, etc.) but there's only one Coke.

Not in a huge chunk of the US, where "coke" is a generic term like "kleenex" or "lego". That post followed up on a discussion a few posts up.

Feb 18, 2013#98

Frank

Covar said:
What is a generic Coke? Coke is short for Coca-Cola. Now There's generic Colas (RC, Pepsi, etc.) but there's only one Coke.

Aren't there some parts of the US that just refers to pop or soda in general as coke?

Feb 18, 2013#99

ScytheRexx

I used to drink soda heavily as a kid. However as an adult I find myself limiting my intake. I drink one cup of coffee in the morning, one soda during lunch, and then the rest of the day I drink water, milk, or juice. Works out for me and starves off the headache.

Feb 18, 2013#100

Telephius

Covar said:
Now There's generic Colas (RC, Pepsi, etc.)

Feb 18, 2013#101

Covar

Feb 18, 2013#102

Kovac

fade said:
I don't know why, but the word "pop" for soda rubs my ears the wrong way. Then again where I'm from it's no better. It's "coke", regardless of whether it's a coke, sprite, dr. pepper, etc.

I quite like the sound of soda but after a lifetime of calling it soft drink I don't think that i'm going to change.

Not that I can drink it now that i'm eating and drinking in a healthy fashion. Now it's all water, tea and coffee.

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