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Enjoy: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/health/policy/07medicaid.html?_r=2

In rebuttal: Duh.

The Republican response will be that this is a skewed poll by the left wing, then they will cut taxes on the rich and make the poor pay for it.

It is common sense. I figure that was the goal really. Collection agency is bad business for hospitals and doctors. Sometimes they don't get full amount or any (depending on situation) when people are poor, sometimes routine health checkup/care are the first to go

Dave said:

The Republican response will be that this is a skewed poll by the left wing, then they will cut taxes on the rich and make the poor pay for it.

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No, they'll just cut school funding, because what has knowing stuff ever done for the US anyway? Answer: nothing you couldn't just import from another country...

@Li3n said:

No, they'll just cut school funding, because what has knowing stuff ever done for the US anyway? Answer: nothing you couldn't just import from another country...

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You think American public school actually teaches? How quaint!

In other news, people who are stressed about money feel better, go to the doctor more, and have more money to pay for other things when someone else pays for them to have medical insurance. Stop the presses! Next up, we'll display our shocking report that says buying people food makes them less hungry, happier, and lets them eat more.

Since we have unlimited resources and the costs of health care procedures are never inflated anyway, it's an obvious no brainer to buy everything everybody wants and ignore the reasons why they're having a hard time getting it for themselves.

GasBandit said:

You think American public school actually teaches? How quaint!

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Sometimes I wonder if you really believe some of the stuff you write.

GasBandit said:

Since we have unlimited resources and the costs of health care procedures are never inflated anyway, it's an obvious no brainer to buy everything everybody wants and ignore the reasons why they're having a hard time getting it for themselves.

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Why hi there mister strawman... are you going to the wiz too?

Shegokigo said:

Sometimes I wonder if you really believe some of the stuff you write.

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Of course, you're very observant. Obviously there was no way I could seriously disparage the american educational system. Really, public schools in America are upstanding, forthright institutions which ensure our future by making our students uniformly excellent as compared to other nations. And of course, the stalwart teachers' unions do everything they can to help prepare the students for the future.

Look Gas, I get that it's a shit system but you literally said the it doesn't teach. That's physically impossible and over the top quote just to get someone to respond so you can post a bunch of links that change nothing.

I mean your troll is strong, my concern is that you believe it.

Shegokigo said:

Look Gas, I get that it's a shit system but you literally said the it doesn't teach. That's physically impossible and over the top quote just to get someone to respond so you can post a bunch of links that change nothing.

I mean your troll is strong, my concern is that you believe it.

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This is astonishing. I think I might have found the only person on the internet who is unfamiliar with hyperbole.

I know what it is, I think you forgot though....

It's like someone who used to bash creationism but now curates their museums....

Speaking as a public school teacher (and a damn good one), I just wanted to say that you can go fuck yourself.

@Li3n said:

Why hi there mister strawman... are you going to the wiz too?

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I'm pretty sure your mistaken. Gas isn't made of straw, but rather Tin. Because he has no heart.

Now, now guys, be fair to Gas... i mean a few years back he actually made the argument that the US isn't a democracy, but a republic... so obviously the education system has failed him...

It's always interesting to see people blaming the teachers and not increasing class sizes, lack of parental involvement, or shitty school policies. It's almost like they have no idea what a teacher does.

GasBandit said:

And of course, the stalwart teachers' unions do everything they can to help prepare the students for the future.

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Dude, are you seriously quoting the Heritage foundation? By doing that you are giving credence to anyone who quotes the Huffington Post or, even worse, Democracy Now.

If you want to make serious arguments don't use sources like that.

Necronic said:

Dude, are you seriously quoting the Heritage foundation? By doing that you are giving credence to anyone who quotes the Huffington Post or, even worse, Democracy Now.

If you want to make serious arguments don't use sources like that.

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The difference is, the Heritage Foundation shows their work.

Tress said:

Speaking as a public school teacher (and a damn good one), I just wanted to say that you can go fuck yourself.

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Well, I guess that refutes everything, doesn't it?

Seriously though, I know there ARE good teachers (whether you are one of them or not is not something I can judge from across mere broadband) in the public school system. But they are far and away the minority. The proof is in the pudding, and the recipe is easy to read.

GasBandit said:

The difference is, the Heritage Foundation shows their work.

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You really believe that, don't ya.

Don't get me wrong, I sincerely dislike forced unions, but that article does not "show it's work". All it does is throw some numbers out and reference it's OWN ARTICLE. That's garbage reporting.

Also there really isn't even an argument made in there. They say the NEA is against teachers. As their reasons? They support the DREAM act. Seriously? That's an example of a "showing it's work" argument? No, that's the same political crap that Huffpost and Demnow would pull. There's no argument there.

Now, the NEA being against Teach for America makes a bit more sense as an argument that they are not looking at the best interest of students, but that's not really the argument they try to make there. They just list off a number of clearly liberal agenda items of the NEA and say "SEE, I told you they were bad! NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH!"

If you actually care about your viewpoints, then you should care about convincing others of them, which means you should cite real sources that argue with some semblance of reason. If, on the other hand your only interest in politics is to treat it like a game of football where the only thing that matters is winning arguments on the internet then please go ahead and continue to cite meaningless crap like this and pat yourself on the back for "showing your work".

Krisken said:

It's always interesting to see people blaming the teachers and not increasing class sizes, lack of parental involvement, or shitty school policies. It's almost like they have no idea what a teacher does.

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Don't forget voters. Even after one of the middle schools in a neighboring county was condemned in the middle of the school year, voters still rejected a bond issue that would have replaced the building and moved students in other schools out of the trailers they were using. Some schools had more students in trailers than in the main building.

Rejecting school bonds in that county is more or less tradition. I can't see how any parent would willingly send their children to those schools if they had any other option.