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It's out. Here's what we have.

The ones that were leaked, that's actually what they look like.

Multitasking, yes.

2 cameras (one on each side). Interesting. Wonder what that will do.....

Flash. The bright thing. Not the fun thing.

High resolution screen. Supposedly the highest ever. Not bad.

Can record movies, and edit them locally. Nice

Tap to focus on movies while recording them. Interesting.

Video Texting. Ok, now you're finally getting it Apple.



I may actually upgrade with this one. I'll give it 6 months or so for them to work the garbage out of it.

I didn't have time to read every blog post about it. Was there any mention of the new hardware coming to ipod touch?

I remember when this game was the most advanced game on a phone, and that was less than TEN years ago! In black and white no less!

Necronic said:

I may actually upgrade with this one. I'll give it 6 months or so for them to work the garbage out of it.

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What, you mean like AT&T?

/rimshot

heh, good one.

Unfortunately I have to wait until next year to upgrade. At least I'll get iOS 4. Multitasking, and the unified inbox should be great. I can't wait for the 21st.

the current 16GB 3GS is $599.

yea, it sucks.

I haven't spent more than $20 for a cell phone. I don't know how you folks do it. I see the fancy-pants phones and I see the 'free' one I get when I re-up, and I just can't bring myself to lay down more than $50 for a new one.

Seems a bit... underwhelming to be honest. Especially considering the Iphone here has the worst telecom provider of our nation. T-Mobile can't keep up with the use, so if you're unlucky you can't even call or be called in certain places/times.

Looks amazing though, I gotta hand that to Apple.

Yay! I'm getting an iPhone in July. This is great news.

Awesome, getting it... And here in Sweden we have plenty of good carriers to choose from, with support for the full HSDPA speed almost everywhere. Too bad it doesn't have a 4G radio though.

REALLY impressive specs. That screen looks just amazing. The video calls and editing suite? I want one of these SO bad.

the whole 720P HD video thing is kind of ??? to me, because I don't care what label you put on it, the only thing that will be high def about it is the poor image quality that you get from a lens that small. Not that I expect a great image, but I couldn't care less if it was 720P or not.

I really like the idea of the integrated antenae too, basically the aluminum casing around the sides of it is 2 antenaes.

if apple is going to compete against Droid (which is a sweet phone. I have iphone 3G) Apple has to open up to other carrier like Sprint and Verizon. If they keep with AT&T they are going to lose.

Chibibar said:

if apple is going to compete against Droid (which is a sweet phone. I have iphone 3G) Apple has to open up to other carrier like Sprint and Verizon. If they keep with AT&T they are going to lose.

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Their money says otherwise.

Also.. they're about to sell their 100th million iOS unit (that includes iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad... but guess what's the most numerous) so I don't think they're too worried.

Chibibar said:

if apple is going to compete against Droid (which is a sweet phone. I have iphone 3G) Apple has to open up to other carrier like Sprint and Verizon. If they keep with AT&T they are going to lose.

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Yeah, they really won't. BUT: They should break free and let other carriers have it. The main reason I haven't is because of AT&T.

Can't you buy an unlocked iPhone and use it with any carrier?

Calleja said:

Can't you buy an unlocked iPhone and use it with any carrier?

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Here in the States we have this backwards, convoluted system called CDMA that Sprint and Verizon use. The only other place it's used is in South Korea. The rest of the world (And AT&T and T-Mobile) use GSM, with the swappable SIM cards. CDMA phones are hard-coded to one carrier or another, and the technologies are incompatible.

Here's hoping that when Verizon rolls out LTE (their variant of 4G) things will change. AT&T is looking to go with LTE, and Sprint hasn't completely ruled it out either, despite their investment in WiMax 4G. The nice thing about LTE is that it can be used for both data and voice, so the whole "surf and talk at the same time" line that AT&T has going for it won't apply anymore.

iPhone = AT&T exclusive, sorry.
Only two carriers in USA that use GSM are AT&T and T-Mobile.
Price of no contract unit (not unlocked, just no contract) = $599/$699 for 16/32

--Patrick

You guys want to hear something funny, then? Down here iPhones are GSM. Actual, real-life iPhones working in the GSM band.

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Oh, then yours are GSM too? laep's post made me think they were locked in CDMA

Oh, then yours are GSM too? laep's post made me think they were locked in CDMA

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Yeah, sorry about that. iPhones here are GSM, too, on AT&T. And their radios don't work on the same GSM frequencies as T-Mobile USA - though they do work on T-Mobile in Germany, go figure.

Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular, and Alltel are CDMA. AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM. Others I've not had personal experience with (and am too lazy to look up).

Basically, if you want an iPhone in the US, you're stuck with AT&T, one of the crappiest providers here.

laep said:

Oh, then yours are GSM too? laep's post made me think they were locked in CDMA

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Yeah, sorry about that. iPhones here are GSM, too, on AT&T. And their radios don't work on the same GSM frequencies as T-Mobile USA - though they do work on T-Mobile in Germany, go figure.

Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular, and Alltel are CDMA. AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM. Others I've not had personal experience with (and am too lazy to look up).

Basically, if you want an iPhone in the US, you're stuck with AT&T, one of the crappiest providers here.

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The iPhone is quad-band GSM, so it will work with T-Mobile (after unlocking or if you buy without contract). It won't work on T-Mobile's 3G network (AT&T 3G is 850MHz, T-Mobile 3G is 1700MHz).

dr_awkward said:

I haven't spent more than $20 for a cell phone. I don't know how you folks do it. I see the fancy-pants phones and I see the 'free' one I get when I re-up, and I just can't bring myself to lay down more than $50 for a new one.

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Same. I shelled out 50 bucks for my Blackberry Storm. It works.

laep said:

Oh, then yours are GSM too? laep's post made me think they were locked in CDMA

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Yeah, sorry about that. iPhones here are GSM, too, on AT&T. And their radios don't work on the same GSM frequencies as T-Mobile USA - though they do work on T-Mobile in Germany, go figure.

Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular, and Alltel are CDMA. AT&T and T-Mobile are GSM. Others I've not had personal experience with (and am too lazy to look up).

Basically, if you want an iPhone in the US, you're stuck with AT&T, one of the crappiest providers here.

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Wait, so CDMA is more prevalent in the states than GSM? I thought that it was the other way around.

I preordered the iPhone 4 today. I'm kinda excited now that it's getting close...

CDMA is more prevalent in terms of area coverage. Verizon currently has the largest network coverage area in the USA, after the acquisition and merging of the Altell and Verizon networks.

Best new thing about my iPhone4?

it fits into my first gen iPhone dock

(ok, there are many other things, but that was the thing that made me the happiest.)

It is a pretty sweet little device. I'm looking forward to really putting it to work.

BBC News - Apple issues advice to avoid iPhone flaw

holding the phone the wrong way (or left handed) will short out your signal until you change hands.

I haven't been able to personally replicate that issue, but then, my hands are tiny, I guess.

ars says it's a minor issue, that most people won't have a problem with it. You have to be holding it tight and unnaturally. Also a protective case completely eliminates the problem.

The battery does get very warm very fast though. Not ouch hot yet.

I'm more concerned that the back is also made of glass and is apparently easy to break inadvertently. One of the Gizmodo editors broke his when he dropped it from knee-height by accident.

Obviously, you want to put a case on it, but supposedly it's Apple's most delicate phone yet.

I view it like say, an F1 MClaren.The F1 MClaren is a nice car. It's very good, and is made to look that way. but don't crash it. Also, you can't hold the steering wheel with your left hand. Or use anything but the F1 MClaren approved gasoline.

I dunno, I've dropped my iPod touch a ton and that glass seems tough as nails to me.

All phones should be made to withstand a desk-height fall, really. I know mine is. And it's all screen, too.

I've done the same with my iPhone 3G, Espy, but I've been hearing that iPhone 4 in particular is breakage prone, especially since, unlike any previous version of the iPhone, even the back is made of glass.

First iPhone 4 Broken After One-Foot Drop

SpecialKO said:

I've done the same with my iPhone 3G, Espy, but I've been hearing that iPhone 4 in particular is breakage prone, especially since, unlike any previous version of the iPhone, even the back is made of glass.

First iPhone 4 Broken After One-Foot Drop

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eep! I know that my 3G is pretty sturdy. Not that I intentionally drop it or anything, but have accidentally knocked it over while it sits at my desk.

Fuck Gizmodo, I'd say they deserve to have broken their phone except it probably gives them a better story. I'm sure the reviewer can just steal another one.

BUY a stolen one, you mean. u_u

SpecialKO said:

I've done the same with my iPhone 3G, Espy, but I've been hearing that iPhone 4 in particular is breakage prone, especially since, unlike any previous version of the iPhone, even the back is made of glass.

First iPhone 4 Broken After One-Foot Drop

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Yeah, I'm with Covar here, they might be right or not but I'm not reading anything from Gizmodo, nor believing or trusting anything they write.

Espy;407051][QUOTE=SpecialKO said:

I've done the same with my iPhone 3G, Espy, but I've been hearing that iPhone 4 in particular is breakage prone, especially since, unlike any previous version of the iPhone, even the back is made of glass.

First iPhone 4 Broken After One-Foot Drop

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Yeah, I'm with Covar here, they might be right or not but I'm not reading anything from Gizmodo, nor believing or trusting anything they write.[/QUOTE]

Okay.



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And because it's still hilariously awesome and geek-painful...

What's with all the Gizmodo hate?

Calleja said:

What's with all the Gizmodo hate?

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They knowingly bought a stolen iPhone 4 prototype, plastered a big breakdown "exclusive" of it on their page, bragged about how they got it, and now are attempting to hide behind journalistic shield laws designed for protecting sources identities.

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What's with all the Gizmodo hate?

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They knowingly bought a stolen iPhone 4 prototype, plastered a big breakdown "exclusive" of it on their page, bragged about how they got it, and now are attempting to hide behind journalistic shield laws designed for protecting sources identities.[/QUOTE]

Also this.

I lol'd.

Covar;407145][QUOTE=Calleja said:

What's with all the Gizmodo hate?

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They knowingly bought a stolen iPhone 4 prototype, plastered a big breakdown "exclusive" of it on their page, bragged about how they got it, and now are attempting to hide behind journalistic shield laws designed for protecting sources identities.[/QUOTE]

Found isn't stolen.. and they did try to return it. I mean.. I'm not saying they're champions of virtue over there, but I don't think there's a single journalist in the world who would turn down a world-first exclusive that falls on their lap like that. So you guys hate Gizmodo for the circumstances that made them the first to have access to the lost iPhone? What if the NY Times or Engadget or CNN had found it... you really think they would have acted much differently?

Engadget and Wired turned it down.

Also when a person finds an object they know doesn't belong to them, and know who the owner is, and try to sell it they are stealing the object. Period.

B.T. said:

I view it like say, an F1 MClaren.The F1 MClaren is a nice car. It's very good, and is made to look that way. but don't crash it. Also, you can't hold the steering wheel with your left hand. Or use anything but the F1 MClaren approved gasoline.

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That's a really bad analogy since a McLaren F1 is made for a very specific purpose whereas the iPhone is supposed to be a daily used tool. A better analogy would be to compare it to say a high end Volvo, which by the way, have really good crash ratings. A tool like a cell phone should be durable. When you own a McLaren F1, you only take it out in limited amount.

i love the people that think the phone is the end all be all...personally i love the evo and as soon as i can find one am all up in that shit

An in-depth review of the iPhone 4. In-depth like no other. You'll either glaze over or be really interested in what he has to say.
Apple's iPhone 4: Thoroughly Reviewed - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

--Patrick

The thing I don't like about the fragility is that Apple's products are all sold based on their ease of use and being 'idiot proof'. Which, when it comes to the software, is totally true. Hardware, on the otherhand is where apple constantly drops the ball. This isn't just an issue with the iphone, replacing a macbook screen is an experience in pants dropping ankle grabbing that I hope to never go through again.

Those two things seem to me to be at odds with each other. "They just work" + "They will break if you look at them wrong."

I still want one though (my 1st gen iPhone is about to die. Woohoo for crappy warranties and shitty geniuses who always tell you "Get the new firmware".)

I wonder how many other full screen phones can handle a waist high drop onto pavement and not have a broken screen. I've heard of people breaking the screen on Droids too, but haven't seen any "tests" like above. People seem to be more interested in posting videos of various Apple products being destroyed.

My Nokia 5800 has survived falls onto pavement from CHEST height. It's got a bit of a groove on the plastic from the fall, but barely noticeable.

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And before any wise-ass posts: I'm 1.84m tall, my chest height isn't somebody else's waist height ¬¬

Shakey said:

I wonder how many other full screen phones can handle a waist high drop onto pavement and not have a broken screen. I've heard of people breaking the screen on Droids too, but haven't seen any "tests" like above. People seem to be more interested in posting videos of various Apple products being destroyed.

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That's a good question, but my 3G has survived at least 7-8 falls onto hard surfaces, including concrete, at waist height or higher since I've owned it and hasn't gotten nary a scratch.

Going by the video, I'd have horribly broken two iPhone 4s by this point.

It also depends on how it's dropped. Some times it can kill it, sometimes it won't. The video is from a company that sells warranties for IPhones, and the other report is from a site that now has a grudge against Apple. I'd rather wait and see how many are actually being brought in for repair.

Shakey said:

The video is from a company that sells warranties for IPhones, and the other report is from a site that now has a grudge against Apple.

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Sounds legit

No but really, my iPod touch gets dropped way to often and it's got not even a scratch on the glass, and I don't even keep it in a case. If I had an iPhone though? CASE. CASE. CASE. CASE. DUH.