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Iron Man 3 Panel Comicon (could be spoilers, your risk)

Jul 14, 2012#1

Sparhawk

Date for Iron Man 3 release is May 3, 2013. Ben Kingsley is playing the villain, some guy that wears a bunch of rings. The Mandarin.

Thor 2 will be called Thor: The Dark World. (no date listed)

Captain America 2 is called Captain America: The Winter Soldier, should be out April 4, 2014.

Guardians of the Galaxy footage was shown, live action, with Drax, Groot, Starlord, Gamora and Rocket Raccoon. (I really hope they lead up to this movie with credit footage in the movies that come out before it)

Jul 14, 2012#2

Bowielee

In regards to Thor, perhaps we'll get to see the Mindless Ones? That would be sweet.

I'm not really a fan of Bucky coming back in the comics, so I'm not sure if I'll be a fan of it on film.

Jul 14, 2012#3

Frank

Ehh, I liked the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes lineup a lot better for Guardians of the Galaxy, which was Groot, Starlord, Rocket Raccoon, Adam Warlock and Quasar.

And the new Iron Man suit looks a little silly. Iron Man, with 2 creams.

Apparently Mads Mikkelson has dropped out of the Thor sequel, which kind of blows since he has awesome screen presence.

Jul 15, 2012#4

Kovac

Sparhawk said:
Guardians of the Galaxy footage was shown, live action, with Drax, Groot, Starlord, Gamora and Rocket Raccoon. (I really hope they lead up to this movie with credit footage in the movies that come out before it)

I don't know what to think of this news since I have never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy.

Are they kind of obscure or is it just me being out of the loop?

Jul 15, 2012#5

Frank

Very obscure, but could be a fun movie since they aren't really traditional super heroes.

Jul 15, 2012#6

Bowielee

To me, these aren't even the real guardians of the galaxy. When I was reading it, it was the original run that took place in the future with Vance Astrovik as the leader. I do understand that they wouldn't want to go that route though.

Jul 15, 2012#7

Frank

Now, is Ben Kingsley playing the Mandarin more racist or less racist than the actual character of the Mandarin itself?

Jul 15, 2012#8

Bowielee

It's a catch 22. Having an Asian actor play a formerly racist caricature or Whitewashing. Either way, someone could complain about it.

Jul 15, 2012#9

@Li3n

Frank said:
Now, is Ben Kingsley playing the Mandarin more racist or less racist than the actual character of the Mandarin itself?

Well at least Krishna Pandit Bhanji is asian...

Bowielee said:
To me, these aren't even the real guardians of the galaxy. When I was reading it, it was the original run that took place in the future with Vance Astrovik as the leader. I do understand that they wouldn't want to go that route though.

Annihilation was awesome, and so was the GotG series that followed, and as i recall the name was chosen because of the original, future team...

Also, their base is the severed head of a Celestial...

Space Marvel was awesome while that Civil War crap was going on...

Jul 15, 2012#10

sixpackshaker

@Li3n said:
Well at least Krishna Pandit Bhanji is asian...

But he's not Mandarin.

Jul 15, 2012#11

Bowielee

@Li3n said:
Annihilation was awesome, and so was the GotG series that followed, and as i recall the name was chosen because of the original, future team...

Also, their base is the severed head of a Celestial...

Space Marvel was awesome while that Civil War crap was going on...

I actually liked Civil War, with the exception of Spider-Man's "coming out". I know most people were pissed at the characterization of Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic during that time period,but I thought that their rationale made sense, with Tony in particular doing everything he could to avoid the situation until the Stanford incident happened. Reed, well, he was doing what he always does. Running the numbers for the best possible outcome.

Plus, without it, we wouldn't have World War Hulk, or the excellent run of Thor leading up to Siege.

Of course, without it, we wouldn't have One More Day, either, so good with the bad and all.

Jul 15, 2012#12

Sparhawk

sixpackshaker said:
But he's not Mandarin.

No, they are not using the name "The Mandarin" as the character name, but that is how 90% of the comic community will refer to the character.

Kovac said:
I don't know what to think of this news since I have never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy. Are they kind of obscure or is it just me being out of the loop?

Obscure beyond a doubt. Personally, the characters they have always had just haven't clicked with me. There have been good people working on the books, but none of the characters have resonated with me in the same way that say Spider-Man or Bruce Banner have. I really think that they are going to have to tie the GotG movie into Avengers 2 and the rest of the movies by doing some credit sequences to get people up for the movie itself, otherwise I think that we'll see the first real dud (box office wise) that has been put out by Marvel/Disney.

Jul 15, 2012#13

@Li3n

Bowielee said:
I actually liked Civil War, with the exception of Spider-Man's "coming out". I know most people were pissed at the characterization of Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic during that time period,but I thought that their rationale made sense, with Tony in particular doing everything he could to avoid the situation until the Stanford incident happened. Reed, well, he was doing what he always does. Running the numbers for the best possible outcome.

Plus, without it, we wouldn't have World War Hulk, or the excellent run of Thor leading up to Siege.

Thor came out of the whole Raknarok thing from the Thor books... it would still exist without Civil War.

And i didn't have a problem with the characterization for those two (not that it was consistent in the tie-ins but whatever), but with the fact that they spent 12 issues with neither side making any good argument for their side (JCM did better), and then Cap surrender because someone might get hurt... WHAT?!

Anyway, i came here to post this:

Desert suit?! Should have changed the red to green or something, this just looks off.

Jul 15, 2012#14

Frank

More like creamy dessert suit.

Jul 15, 2012#15

Cheesy1

"Look, it's Strawberries-And-Cream Iron Man!"
"He'll deliver sweet, delicious justice!"

Jul 15, 2012#16

Frank

Sparhawk said:
NI really think that they are going to have to tie the GotG movie into Avengers 2 and the rest of the movies by doing some credit sequences to get people up for the movie itself, otherwise I think that we'll see the first real dud (box office wise) that has been put out by Marvel/Disney.

Gamorra, of the GotG, is Thanos' daughter. That's the connection I see.

Jul 15, 2012#17

filmfanatic

Frank said:
Gamorra, of the GotG, is Thanos' daughter. That's the connection I see.

Also, Drax and Thanos have squared off before I believe. If not, then Drax at least has it out to destroy Thanos.

Jul 15, 2012#18

Sparhawk

Frank said:
Gamorra, of the GotG, is Thanos' daughter. That's the connection I see.

They're going to have to sell that connection to the audience though. They did a great job building the Avengers team in the individual movies so they really didn't spend much time on their individual motivations, for GotG they will have to do something to make the general public want to see the movie. Unfortunately most "space" movies just don't go over with Joe Q. Public, unless there is an overwhelming reason to go see it.[DOUBLEPOST=1342375166][/DOUBLEPOST]I might need to clarify here, I want to see the movie succeed. My posts have a little of the "it won't ever work" type sound, but I'm just saying they will have some difficulties in the movie sell, not that they are not capable of making a good movie.

Jul 15, 2012#19

@Li3n

filmfanatic said:
Also, Drax and Thanos have squared off before I believe. If not, then Drax at least has it out to destroy Thanos.

Drax was created specifically to kill Thanos...

Jul 15, 2012#20

Norris

Maybe Drax will cameo in Iron Man 3. It's pretty unlikely, but he did first appear in an issue of Iron Man.

Jul 15, 2012#21

@Li3n

Frank said:
Gamorra, of the GotG, is Thanos' daughter. That's the connection I see.

Adopted daughter/assassin actually...

Jul 15, 2012#22

Frank

All aboard the semantics train.

Jul 17, 2012#23

@Li3n

Frank said:
All aboard the semantics train.

It's not semantics when it's such an important fact in her relation to Thanos (and Adam Warlock, but i understand the timeline changed)...

Jul 17, 2012#24

sixpackshaker

Frank said:
All aboard the semantics train.

So you are anti-semantic now?

Oct 2, 2012#25

Norris

New set photo:

Source. I rather big the Iron Patriot look they've got War Machine rocking. Less enthused about the new Iron Man armor. It looks he shrugged and got stuck.

Oct 22, 2012#26

evilmike

First Teaser Poster (via AICN)

First glimpse of the Mandrin

And finally, Adam has already posted the teaser for the teaser trailer here.

Oct 22, 2012#27

Yoshimickster

....Iron Patriot? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Whhhhhhhhhy? I Osborn in this? Cos...cos that would be cool then. Otherwise, it feels weird. I can deal but it still feels weird.

Oct 22, 2012#28

Norris

Yoshimickster said:
....Iron Patriot? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Whhhhhhhhhy? I Osborn in this? Cos...cos that would be cool then. Otherwise, it feels weird. I can deal but it still feels weird.

That's War Machine's armor for this movie.

Oct 22, 2012#29

Yoshimickster

Norris said:
That's War Machine's armor for this movie.

Oh yeah...that makes it weirder. Why though? Its just such a weird change. I can deal as long as the movie is good, but still.

Oct 22, 2012#30

Norris

Yoshimickster said:
Oh yeah...that makes it weirder. Why though? Its just such a weird change. I can deal as long as the movie is good, but still.

Well, so far as I can tell, War Machine is the only super hero presently sponsored by the U.S. government. Iron Man, Thor, and The Hulk are all independents and Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Captain America work for SHIELD. Avengers showed that Nick Fury is answering to a "World Security Council" as opposed to the United States. So War Machine, it would appear, is basically going to become the military's new "Captain America" - a propaganda piece in addition to a real hero.

Oct 22, 2012#31

Frank

Strawberries and cream Iron Man still doesn't do it for me.

Oct 22, 2012#32

Yoshimickster

Norris said:
Well, so far as I can tell, War Machine is the only super hero presently sponsored by the U.S. government. Iron Man, Thor, and The Hulk are all independents and Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Captain America work for SHIELD. Avengers showed that Nick Fury is answering to a "World Security Council" as opposed to the United States. So War Machine, it would appear, is basically going to become the military's new "Captain America" - a propaganda piece in addition to a real hero.

So....movie War Machine is the Bizarro Iron Patriot? That is what I will think of this character then.

Oct 23, 2012#33

evilmike

In case anyone missed them:

Rings

Oct 23, 2012#34

checkeredhat

Any theories on why

the Mandarin has Cap's shield tattooed on his neck?

http://i.imgur.com/FbtlR.png

Oct 23, 2012#35

sixpackshaker

That is the wrong place for a tramp stamp.

Oct 23, 2012#36

bhamv3

checkeredhat said:
Any theories on why

the Mandarin has Cap's shield tattooed on his neck?

Because...

That's actually Bucky! What a twist!

Oct 23, 2012#37

sixpackshaker

bhamv3 said:
Because...

That's actually Bucky! What a twist!

Nope, that is AGENT COULSON!!!

Oct 23, 2012#38

bhamv3

Ooh, that's even better!

Oct 23, 2012#39

@Li3n

evilmike said:
In case anyone missed them:

Rings
View attachment 8597

Meh, i was hoping the rings would be more Kirby-esque... alien integrated circuitry like.

Oct 23, 2012#40

Charlie Don't Surf

stop the spoiler tags, fuck, if it's in a dumb movie trailer, it's not a spoiler

Oct 23, 2012#41

Bowielee

Many of the spoiler tags are polite as the pictures are large and may take people's browsers a while to load. It's a courtesy thing. As for the Cpt. America shield on the Mandarin's neck, I don't even see that anywhere, so I have no idea where that is coming form.

Oct 23, 2012#42

CynicismKills

The actual trailer:

Kingsley's voice for Mandarin sounds really weird. Otherwise, super excited for this. Also, fun side-note: the insignias on his rings can also be seen on the flag behind the terrorists holding Stark in IM1.

Oct 23, 2012#43

checkeredhat

Bowielee said:
Many of the spoiler tags are polite as the pictures are large and may take people's browsers a while to load. It's a courtesy thing. As for the Cpt. America shield on the Mandarin's neck, I don't even see that anywhere, so I have no idea where that is coming form.

Well, I posted a picture of it, but okay. Anyway there is already a pretty convincing theory that it's not actually the Mandarin but Tony in disguise.

Oct 23, 2012#44

Sparhawk

Bowielee said:
As for the Cpt. America shield on the Mandarin's neck, I don't even see that anywhere, so I have no idea where that is coming form.

48 second mark of the trailer.

Oct 23, 2012#45

Adam

@Li3n said:
Thor came out of the whole Raknarok thing from the Thor books... it would still exist without Civil War.

And i didn't have a problem with the characterization for those two (not that it was consistent in the tie-ins but whatever), but with the fact that they spent 12 issues with neither side making any good argument for their side (JCM did better), and then Cap surrender because someone might get hurt... WHAT?!

Anyway, i came here to post this:

Desert suit?! Should have changed the red to green or something, this just looks off.

They've obviously done some CGI and colour correction to the suit since this was released:

Looks wayyyyyyy better in this still. Less cream and more white gold. Should make Frank happier.

Oct 23, 2012#46

checkeredhat

CynicismKills said:
The actual trailer:

Kingsley's voice for Mandarin sounds really weird. Otherwise, super excited for this. Also, fun side-note: the insignias on his rings can also be seen on the flag behind the terrorists holding Stark in IM1.

Yes, they also mention the Ten Rings through dialogue. In the movies, The Ten Rings is meant to be a terrorist organization. They are, I believe, also involved in helping Ivan Vanko in the second one.

Oct 23, 2012#47

bhamv3

I wanna know why the glass display case in the background is broken, why the suit's head is missing, and why the robotic arm is wearing what appears to be a dunce cap.

Oct 23, 2012#48

checkeredhat

bhamv3 said:
I wanna know why the glass display case in the background is broken, why the suit's head is missing, and why the robotic arm is wearing what appears to be a dunce cap.

It actually looks to me like the robotic arm has the suit's head in it's grasp. Like it smashed through the glass to grab it, I mean.

Oct 23, 2012#49

bhamv3

checkeredhat said:
It actually looks to me like the robotic arm has the suit's head in it's grasp.

Huh, now that you mention it, I guess I see it.

Still doesn't explain the dunce cap though.

Oct 23, 2012#50

checkeredhat

bhamv3 said:
Huh, now that you mention it, I guess I see it.

Still doesn't explain the dunce cap though.

Well, I mean, it's a trailer, so we're not supposed to know.

However, knowing how Tony Stark treats that thing in 1 & 2, I wouldn't be surprised if he put the cap it on it himself to shame it in front of robot arm number 2 on the left there.

Oct 23, 2012#51

Frank

Adam said:
They've obviously done some CGI and colour correction to the suit since this was released:

Looks wayyyyyyy better in this still. Less cream and more white gold. Should make Frank happier.

It does, that slight hue change makes all the difference honestly.

Oct 23, 2012#52

CynicismKills

I think what throws me off is outside of the helmet, the traditional Iron Man colors are reversed on that suit. It's almost always been red with gold or yellow trim, as far as I can remember (save for ones of a totally different color).

And yeah, Ten Rings helped out Whiplash in 2. From what I've read, I guess they're trying to avoid the alien superpower Mandarin. It sounds more like he's being portrayed as a behind-the-scenes mastermind for this one (along with being ethnically ambiguous this time around, not Chinese).

Oct 23, 2012#53

Frank

Ethnically ambiguous = whitewashed.

Oct 23, 2012#54

CynicismKills

I dunno, I just don't really care as long as the character is interesting.

Oct 23, 2012#55

Yoshimickster

So judging from the trailer does Stark have like, telekinesis or Extremis power now? Cos that would be pretty cool. I know Extremis didn't do that in the comic but it would still be a cool idea.

Oct 24, 2012#56

Bowielee

checkeredhat said:
Well, I posted a picture of it, but okay. Anyway there is already a pretty convincing theory that it's not actually the Mandarin but Tony in disguise.

I hadn't even noticed it. However, on closer inspection, it's not captain america's symbol exactly. The star in the center is replaced with the Anarchy symbol, so that's not unrealistic for an anti-american terrorist to have.

Oct 24, 2012#57

@Li3n

Adam said:
They've obviously done some CGI and colour correction to the suit since this was released:

Looks wayyyyyyy better in this still. Less cream and more white gold. Should make Frank happier.

WEll it is way better, but still looks weird as a colour scheme imo.

Oct 24, 2012#58

checkeredhat

Bowielee said:
I hadn't even noticed it. However, on closer inspection, it's not captain america's symbol exactly. The star in the center is replaced with the Anarchy symbol, so that's not unrealistic for an anti-american terrorist to have.

The theory is it's Tony Stark in disguise, infiltrating the Ten Rings. No rings on his fingers in those two behind the back shots, and it looks like he's got something over his ears, akin to what Tony was wearing earlier to control the suit components.

Oct 24, 2012#59

Espy

Yeah, the suit still looks weird to me. It looks sloppy, like it only got half painted.

Oct 24, 2012#60

Norris

Frank said:
Ethnically ambiguous = whitewashed.

Not for nothing, but The Mandarin is half-British in the comics and (according to Wikipedia) has been 1965. So, while Ben Kingsley is about 50% off on ethnicity (dude's half-Indian), it's not wholly incorrect. However, that kind of jives with what they established in the first movie - The Ten Rings is a very ethnically diverse terrorist group devoted to re-establishing the empire of Genghis Khan.

Nov 3, 2012#61

evilmike

Feb 3, 2013#62

evilmike

Superbowl Spot

Feb 4, 2013#63

evilmike

And now, the "extended look" they promised

Feb 4, 2013#64

bhamv3

Please, please, please have the Extremis armor.

Feb 4, 2013#65

@Li3n

bhamv3 said:
Please, please, please have the Extremis armor.

What's with everyone and that armour? The faceplate just looks silly.

Feb 4, 2013#66

bhamv3

@Li3n said:
What's with everyone and that armour? The faceplate just looks silly.

It's armor that grows out of your freaking body! The faceplate could look like Jim Carrey's o-face for all I care, it's still cool.

Feb 4, 2013#67

CynicismKills

bhamv3 said:
It's armor that grows out of your freaking body! The faceplate could look like Jim Carrey's o-face for all I care, it's still cool.

Only the underskin grew out of him, he was able to uplink directly to the armor itself (and pretty much any other network) though, which made him stupid powerful for awhile.

Feb 5, 2013#68

tegid

CynicismKills said:
Only the underskin grew out of him, he was able to uplink directly to the armor itself (and pretty much any other network) though, which made him stupid powerful for awhile.

Afterwards the whole armor DID grow from him. It's that armor that has several circles of light all over the body.

Feb 10, 2013#69

@Li3n

bhamv3 said:
It's armor that grows out of your freaking body!

IMO that kinda takes away form IM's "guy in armour" thing, but whatever rocks your boat i guess.

Feb 10, 2013#70

Ravenpoe

Guy in armor, armor in guy, same diff.

Feb 11, 2013#71

Espy

I don't care where the armor is, I just wish it didn't have this terrible color scheme. Blech.

Feb 22, 2013#72

evilmike

Another shot of the Mandarin from AICN

Mar 5, 2013#73

evilmike

New Trailer

Mar 5, 2013#74

Espy

Mmmmm, backup.

Mar 5, 2013#75

CynicismKills

I'm gonna need a new keyboard, oh goodness.

Mar 5, 2013#76

strawman

Mar 5, 2013#77

ThatNickGuy

HULK BUSTER ARMOUR!!!!

Mar 5, 2013#78

bhamv3

But... they're not fighting the Hulk...

Oh who cares. HULK BUSTER ARMOR!!! :sohappy:

Mar 5, 2013#79

bhamv3

Also, wait...

We see Pepper in one of those harnesses, and then it appears the same harness is used to create the multiple Iron Men later...

Calling it now, Pepper is the Hulkbuster!

Mar 5, 2013#80

CynicismKills

Could be they give her the Rescue suit, too.

Mar 5, 2013#81

bhamv3

Or... or that.

Yeah that does seem more likely.

Mar 5, 2013#82

CynicismKills

The trailer made me miss the old 90's Iron Man cartoon. It wasn't especially good, but some of the million different suits he had were fucking awesome. I even used to scour KB Toys and the like for the action figures.

Mar 6, 2013#83

LittleKagsin

CynicismKills said:
Could be they give her the Rescue suit, too.

This is my thought as well.

Mar 25, 2013#84

evilmike

New trailer which includes a spoiler

Mar 25, 2013#85

strawman

SUHWEEEEEET.

Mar 25, 2013#86

bhamv3

I knew it!! KNEW IT!!!

Mar 25, 2013#87

CynicismKills

This video has been removed by the user.

Mar 25, 2013#88

Sparhawk

CynicismKills said:
This video has been removed by the user.

And was removed long before the two posts before yours. They're just having fun with it.

Mar 25, 2013#89

CynicismKills

Wow, Disney is hitting this TV spot hard. I can't find it anywhere.

Mar 25, 2013#90

bhamv3

Nah, I googled "iron man 3 international TV spot" and found it elsewhere.

EDIT: Specifically, here.

Mar 25, 2013#91

CynicismKills

Watch it while you can.

Mar 25, 2013#92

Ravenpoe

CynicismKills said:
Watch it while you can.

Pepper as Iron Man? ... I'd watch the shit out of that!

Mar 26, 2013#93

Bellygrub

Lego spoiled this spoiler a couple months ago. It's on the cover of one of the IM3 lego sets. My nephew was quite confused by it.

Apr 29, 2013#94

evilmike

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Iron Man 3 has opened in a number of countries to really solid numbers. It has had the best opening weekend ever in the Latin American region, the Asia/Pacific region, and in a number of countries.

Can anyone provide a spoiler free review?

Apr 29, 2013#95

Dave

I'm going Friday. My son doesn't want to go wait on Thursday night.

May 1, 2013#96

Bellygrub

I was supposed to go to a press screening tonight but I just got word that the screenings have been cancelled due to accessive pirating overseas. Laaaaaame!

May 1, 2013#97

bhamv3

Bellygrub said:
I was supposed to go to a press screening tonight but I just got word that the screenings have been cancelled due to accessive pirating overseas. Laaaaaame!

So... the assumption is that you've seen it already then?

May 2, 2013#98

Far

Saw it, can't say more yet.

It was...different but not bad. I expect some serious nerd rage regarding a particular change.

May 2, 2013#99

strawman

Far said:
Saw it, can't say more yet.

It was...different but not bad. I expect some serious nerd rage regarding a particular change.

Stark is actually female?

May 2, 2013#100

Far

stienman said:
Stark is actually female?

Sort of? But not what I was refering to.

May 2, 2013#101

ScytheRexx

If you want to talk about it you could always put it in a spoiler tag.

May 2, 2013#102

Far

I can't talk about it because of how I saw it early.

May 2, 2013#103

tegid

I won't spoil it for anyone, but that 'particular change' didn't bother me at all (if I'm guessing it right). If anything, maybe it bothers me a little bit that it doesn't work well with something from the other movies, but I'd have to go back and watch them to be sure.

May 2, 2013#104

strawman

It's out tonight at 9pm at all my local theaters! I might be going out tooooniiiiiight.

May 2, 2013#105

strawman

stienman said:
It's out tonight at 9pm at all my local theaters! I might be going out tooooniiiiiight.

Oh, that felt gooood.

May 2, 2013#106

strawman

So yeah, I enjoyed it. I'm not sure what change tegid and Far are thinking of, but reading the storyline at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremis_(comics) shows there are many changes from the comic.

May 2, 2013#107

Far

Not storyline but character.

They pretty heavily changed Manderin from being one of Iron Mans main villians to a two bit actor.

I was okay with it but imagine those closer to the marvel mythos will be upset.

May 3, 2013#108

tegid

Yep, my nitpick is:

The ten rings terrorist organization already existed in the first movie. Was it created by AIM? Was it taken over by them? Or is it a plot hole?

Other than that, I was perfectly fine with the change. It worked well.

May 3, 2013#109

Covar

considering they cast a white English actor to play the racist Chinese super villain, I thought the change was brilliant. It was also setup well throughout the movie.

May 3, 2013#110

sixpackshaker

Man Daren, is how they got away with having The Mandarin in the Chinese Theaters.

May 3, 2013#111

Adam

Covar said:
considering they cast a white English actor to play the racist Chinese super villain, I thought the change was brilliant. It was also setup well throughout the movie.

My understanding is that it's a bit of a dual misdirection, kinda like how Ra's al Ghul was Liam Neeson all along. The Mandarin is actually The Mandarin, but is playing a role of an actor playing The Mandarin as to avoid suspicion. Which makes it even niftier.

May 3, 2013#112

Enresshou

Why the fuck can Marvel not make a good Iron Man movie after the first one? Almost everything in this movie screamed "plot device"...

/nerdrage.

May 3, 2013#113

Ravenpoe

Enresshou said:
Why the fuck can Marvel not make a good Iron Man movie after the first one? Almost everything in this movie screamed "plot device"...

/nerdrage.

I liked Iron Man 2 :okay:

May 3, 2013#114

Krisken

Ravenpoe said:
I liked Iron Man 2

May 4, 2013#115

figmentPez

I loved this movie. Not perfect, not my favorite superhero movie, but so very much fun. I might have more to say later, but I am so very happy I saw this. The happy feelings I have are making my week so much better.

May 4, 2013#116

Reverent-one

tegid said:
Yep, my nitpick is:

The ten rings terrorist organization already existed in the first movie. Was it created by AIM? Was it taken over by them? Or is it a plot hole?

Other than that, I was perfectly fine with the change. It worked well.

None of the above. I didn't see anything connecting the Mandarin with the Ten Rings. They seem to be, in this universe, unrelated.

May 4, 2013#117

figmentPez

Reverent-one said:
None of the above. I didn't see anything connecting the Mandarin with the Ten Rings. They seem to be, in this universe, unrelated.

Another possibility: Creating a fake Mandarin doesn't mean a real one doesn't exist. Granted, that might be difficult to explain to a movie audience, but it's still possible. It'd be kind of like an episode of Scooby Doo where, after they unmasked the fake monster, there was a real version lurking around. Maybe a little confusing, but not that unrealistic. If someone were trying to pull off a hoax terrorist organization, pulling logos and names from existing groups would make it that much harder to unravel the truth.

May 4, 2013#118

Jax

While I don't know much about the Iron Man comics, I was pretty excited to see the Mandarin in the movie, he seemed like the most bad-ass villain yet. So I was a little disappointed that he turned out to be a fake, but the rest of the movie was really awesome to watch, so I can look past it

May 6, 2013#119

Bowielee

Enresshou said:
Why the fuck can Marvel not make a good Iron Man movie after the first one? Almost everything in this movie screamed "plot device"...

/nerdrage.

I completely disagree.

May 6, 2013#120

tegid

Reverent-one said:
None of the above. I didn't see anything connecting the Mandarin with the Ten Rings. They seem to be, in this universe, unrelated.

I could swear the logo was there on the videos

May 6, 2013#121

sixpackshaker

Or was the Man Daren acting like a fool to avoid arrest?

I actually liked this movie. To me, it made up for Iron Man 2

May 6, 2013#122

Frank

Covar said:
considering they cast a white English actor to play the racist Chinese super villain, I thought the change was brilliant. It was also setup well throughout the movie.

He's pretty Indian too.

Gonna see this movie this afternoon. I will return later with my thoughtful insights. Probably either a, "I liked it." or a, "It's shit."

May 6, 2013#123

Reverent-one

tegid said:
I could swear the logo was there on the videos

Looking at screenshots, you're right, I remembered seeing the swords part, but not the rest of it. In that case:

It really depends on how much of the Ten Rings was left after the events of the first movie. If it was heavily weakened by Tony's (and Obediah's) actions, they might be acting as if the Mandarian is part of a regrowth of the movement, and who could say otherwise? There's not a lot to go on though.

May 6, 2013#124

Covar

Or AIM has been at this since 1999. <-- far simpler explanation

May 6, 2013#125

Reverent-one

Covar said:
Or AIM has been at this since 1999. <-- far simpler explanation

Except didn't they start using this terrorist bit to cover up their experiments going wrong and self destructing? And it's not like hijacking the name of a mostly dead terrorist organization is terribly complex.

May 6, 2013#126

ThatNickGuy

Just got back from seeing it, myself. I dug it. I'd say it was the best of the three, if only for the final action sequence, which was head and shoulders above the first two crap final fights. A few other things to mention behind spoilery stuff:

-While I really enjoyed the final sequence, I wasn't crazy about the fact that the majority of it, Tony spent it outside of the armour(s). It's not Tony Stark 3, but Iron Man 3. Then again, we got PLENTY of armour action, so it's a minor complaint at best. The lack of a suit certainly added plenty of tension.

-I really liked the exploration of Tony's PTSD, though I don't think we ever got a final payoff for it. Unless you count him finally fixing his heart.

-I'm a little disappointed in what we got for The Mandarin, but at the same time, I can completely understand why we did. He's an incredibly racist character - less so than his first appearances, but he's still pretty much "evil Chinese guy." That wouldn't play well with the movie's largest overseas market. So I'm actually pretty impressed with what they did with him, instead.

-LOVED the improvised action with the different parts of the suit.

-I didn't totally dig the "Tony in buttfuck nowhere" bits, but after the insane action, we needed a good breather and character development for Tony.

May 6, 2013#127

BErt

Also just saw it, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm disclaiming this with the fact that I am shamelessly a sucker for anything Iron Man and Captain America in this new Marvel movie universe.

As far as the "particular change", I'm just going to brofist Covar's spoiler post because I agree 100%. I loved it and I'm not sorry.

May 7, 2013#128

Frank

I give a whole hearty MEH.

It wasn't terrible, but there was very little I liked about it. Sure makes those interdimensional aliens look like chumps though, since apparently all the Iron Man armor is made of paper.

And man, who makes those bad guy's clothes? The heat melts through steel but not their nice suits?

I had no problem with the Mandarin being a phony, my problem with the villain was I thought AIM was supposed to be this whole think tank thing. I doubt they're ever going to be used again in any of the movies and all they ended up being is Killian, One Night Stand and fire soldiers.

May 7, 2013#129

Jax

ThatNickGuy said:
-While I really enjoyed the final sequence, I wasn't crazy about the fact that the majority of it, Tony spent it outside of the armour(s). It's not Tony Stark 3, but Iron Man 3. Then again, we got PLENTY of armour action, so it's a minor complaint at best. The lack of a suit certainly added plenty of tension.

I don't know why, but in this movie I kind of liked it better this way. We've seen Iron Man in action for a long time already and to me Tony Stark is Iron Man (as he mentioned it himself a few times already), so I liked very much to see how Iron Man coped without his armour. I did have this problem a lot with The Dark Knight Rises, there I felt like Bruce Wayne wasn't Batman anymore, and just struggling a lot to become him again..

May 9, 2013#130

BananaHands

Guys, guys, guys...

Mandarin = Aldrich Killian. I thought this was brilliant, and although it is heavily changed from the comics (Killian only being in about four pages in the Extremis comic), it was a great way to bring one Iron Man's slightly more ridiculous enemy into the fray. I also loved how Killian had Fing Fang Foom tattoo'd on his chest.

Now, on to my thoughts!

I didn't mind him being out of the suit so much, it was kind of an answer to that Cap line from Avengers "Take away the suit and what are you?"
I bet AIM will be used again. Someone will take over now that Killian is out of the picture and turn it into what we see in the comics.
Oh my god that scene with Trevor.
Are they going to make that kid Star Lord?
If I have to hear one more goddamn person go "THEY DIDN'T USE THE SOURCE MATERIAL KILLIAN WAS BREATHING FIRE WTF". Come on. Read the goddamn thing.
"Dads leave, you don't have to be a pussy about it"

Overall, I thought it was wonderful. It almost seemed like a five-part comic arc.

May 9, 2013#131

Bowielee

The one major flaw that everyone pointed out that I agree with.

with a terrorist organization threatening the US government, SHIELD is nowhere to be seen? Isn't this stuff exactly their job?

May 9, 2013#132

Frank

Bowielee said:
The one major flaw that everyone pointed out that I agree with.

with a terrorist organization threatening the US government, SHIELD is nowhere to be seen? Isn't this stuff exactly their job?

Not even a radio communication or throw away conversation (and considering that this movie had about 40 minutes of throw away conversations, it's not like they didn't have time).

Is it sad that the only times I felt entertained are when he was palling around with his Short Round?

May 9, 2013#133

Bowielee

If you weren't entertained by that final fight, I honestly don't know what would entertain you.

May 9, 2013#134

BananaHands

Bowielee said:
The one major flaw that everyone pointed out that I agree with.

with a terrorist organization threatening the US government, SHIELD is nowhere to be seen? Isn't this stuff exactly their job?

Fiege (Feige?) mentioned in an interview that the absence would be a part of the plot in avengers 2. But I gotta look up the article. He said something along the lines of "Tony wouldn't forget about that"

May 9, 2013#135

ThatNickGuy

BananaHands said:
I didn't mind him being out of the suit so much, it was kind of an answer to that Cap line from Avengers "Take away the suit and what are you?"

Holy shit, why didn't I think of that? I doubt that was intentional (if it was, it would've been mentioned), but some really nice synchronicity there. I take back what I said.

May 10, 2013#136

BananaHands

ThatNickGuy said:
Holy shit, why didn't I think of that? I doubt that was intentional (if it was, it would've been mentioned), but some really nice synchronicity there. I take back what I said.

I also really liked the contrast to how skilled Rhodes was out of the suit compared to Tony.

And oh my god the "WarMachineRox" password... I loved Rhodes in this movie.

May 10, 2013#137

Covar

If I wanted to watch a movie about SHIELD I'd watch Iron Man 2.

May 10, 2013#138

BananaHands

Covar said:
If I wanted to watch a movie about SHIELD I'd watch Iron Man 2.

Now we get Captain America #2, which is just Cap n' SHIELD FRIENDS <3

May 10, 2013#139

Bowielee

Covar said:
If I wanted to watch a movie about SHIELD I'd watch Iron Man 2.

They could have at very least had some sort of explanation as to why they weren't doing anything. Hell, even having Nick Fury showing up at the end telling Stark that they were monitoring the situation and chewing him out for acting without consulting them, or something.

May 10, 2013#140

Dave

I intensely disliked the final fight.

All these autonomous suits flying around and each one able to suddenly be in position to fit Tony in. Not to mention they got from Los Angeles to Miami is about 5 minutes. And when Pepper Potts gets magical restorative abilities and reflexes also somehow learns to fight, do judo and fire the hand weapon she was unable to earlier in the movie - both times under duress.

So yeah, I thought it was a cheesy clusterfuck.

May 10, 2013#141

figmentPez

Dave said:
I intensely disliked the final fight.

All these autonomous suits flying around and each one able to suddenly be in position to fit Tony in. Not to mention they got from Los Angeles to Miami is about 5 minutes. And when Pepper Potts gets magical restorative abilities and reflexes also somehow learns to fight, do judo and fire the hand weapon she was unable to earlier in the movie - both times under duress.

So yeah, I thought it was a cheesy clusterfuck.

I disagree, mostly about...

Pepper Potts. Have you seen the shape she's in? She didn't get that way being idle, and being tied to Tony Stark for so long, she probably started taking martial arts classes a long time ago, to feel safer. The restorative abilities and heightened reflexes are part of the extremis project, you know, the stuff the villain injected her with so that he could hold Tony over a barrel? That didn't come out of nowhere, it was part of the plot of the movie! Also, I'm pretty sure Pepper couldn't fire the weapon earlier because it was a different suit, the one linked to Tony's implanted controls.

As for LA to Miami in 5 minutes... blame that on imperfect storytelling. My impression was that this was all being set up over the course of many hours, and that a lot of the shots of remote locations were actually flash-backs.

Jarvis was just a little too capable in orchestrating the suits into position to help Tony, even if that were his primary objective it still stretches the limits of believability. I'm letting it slide because it's just so awesome to watch, but I can also see that it doesn't really make sense.

May 10, 2013#142

Frank

figmentPez said:
I disagree, mostly about...

Pepper Potts. Have you seen the shape she's in? She didn't get that way being idle, and being tied to Tony Stark for so long, she probably started taking martial arts classes a long time ago, to feel safer. The restorative abilities and heightened reflexes are part of the extremis project, you know, the stuff the villain injected her with so that he could hold Tony over a barrel? That didn't come out of nowhere, it was part of the plot of the movie! Also, I'm pretty sure Pepper couldn't fire the weapon earlier because it was a different suit, the one linked to Tony's implanted controls.

As for LA to Miami in 5 minutes... blame that on imperfect storytelling. My impression was that this was all being set up over the course of many hours, and that a lot of the shots of remote locations were actually flash-backs.

Jarvis was just a little too capable in orchestrating the suits into position to help Tony, even if that were his primary objective it still stretches the limits of believability. I'm letting it slide because it's just so awesome to watch, but I can also see that it doesn't really make sense.

There were huge amounts of time in the fight with Killian where the suits were no where to be found. Killian probably could have tried his firebreath when dealing with Tony too.

May 10, 2013#143

Azurephoenix

Is the power level that the extremis infected are displaying on par with what's in the comics? It seems... over the top to be honest (and yes I realize this is a comic world filled with norse gods, magic, mutants, fantastic technology and the like... there's just something that bugged me about how insanely powerful the virus made people).

May 10, 2013#144

Enresshou

Azurephoenix said:
Is the power level that the extremis infected are displaying on par with what's in the comics? It seems... over the top to be honest (and yes I realize this is a comic world filled with norse gods, magic, mutants, fantastic technology and the like... there's just something that bugged me about how insanely powerful the virus made people).

If I remember correctly, in the comics the extremis virus did make people powered to the point where none of Tony's Iron Man armor could stand up to it, which is why (double spoilers for the comic

Tony went through the Extremis process himself

Incidentally, this was EXACTLY what I disliked about this movie; particularly the final fight (mild nerd rage ahead).

It committed, what I feel, are two of the gravest comics storytelling sins: overly convenient plot devices (Oh no, this suit of armor can't fly DESPITE THE FACT EVERY OTHER ONE, INCLUDING THE PROTOTYPE, COULD and it's conveniently going to take too long to switch power to flight to catch up to the helicopter! Oh no, an Extremis guy heats up my armor's wrist and I suddenly lose all power!) and wild swings in power level with no explanation. The Extremis soldiers can heat themselves up to a really high temperature and cleave through any of the armors like they're paper? I would have been okay with this if he hadn't gone toe-to-toe with Thor (nearly as strong as the Hulk in these movies) and his lightning bolts and emerged relatively unscathed in Mark 7 armor, when he'd been concerned about being able to protect Pepper and had built a further 35 iterations of armor.

It just felt like a video game boss battle. Everybody else was a challenge, then the last guy ratcheted it up to unbelievable levels; it was like the director was yelling LOOK HOW OP THIS GUY IS. /rant.

May 10, 2013#145

Bowielee

Azurephoenix said:
Is the power level that the extremis infected are displaying on par with what's in the comics? It seems... over the top to be honest (and yes I realize this is a comic world filled with norse gods, magic, mutants, fantastic technology and the like... there's just something that bugged me about how insanely powerful the virus made people).

The infected in the comic made the ones in the movie look like pussies.

May 10, 2013#146

Sparhawk

Just because it rather goes along with the SHIELD discussion lately...

http://marvel.com/news/story/20622/marvels_agents_of_shield_assemble_on_abc

May 11, 2013#147

Tress

That description sounds as bland and cookie-cutter as it can get. If it weren't for Gregg and Whedon being involved I would probably skip it. Here's hoping it rises above the mediocre sounding premise.

May 11, 2013#148

AshburnerX

Saw the movie. Thought it was pretty great. More detail below.

Best stuff:
- More humor and most of it was good. The bit between Tony and The Kid at the car was great.
- Liked that most of the suits were ones that I could identify from the comics. Loved that the Hulkbuster made the cut.
- Lots of subtle stuff with Happy, though I wish he'd been in more of the movie.
- Stinger scene was pretty funny.

Worst stuff:
- Tony killed a SHIT TON of people in this movie. Like at least 30-40 at the very least, not getting into the people he took out with the army of Iron Man suits. I don't think he killed ANYONE in the last one except maybe Whiplash and the ones he killed in the first one were a bit more understandable. This is a superhero movie... your not supposed to gun everyone down.
- Why did we not see the Vice President get arrested? Are we just going to ignore that?

May 11, 2013#149

Cheesy1

AshburnerX said:
- Why did we not see the Vice President get arrested? Are we just going to ignore that?

I'm pretty sure they did show that. It was VERY brief, but I'm fairly certain they showed him being taken away in cuffs near the end.

May 11, 2013#150

AshburnerX

Cheesy1 said:
I'm pretty sure they did show that. It was VERY brief, but I'm fairly certain they showed him being taken away in cuffs near the end.

Maybe. I literally ran to the bathroom right after the big fight and got back within 2 minutes, so I might have missed that bit.

May 11, 2013#151

ScytheRexx

AshburnerX said:
Tony killed a SHIT TON of people in this movie. Like at least 30-40 at the very least, not getting into the people he took out with the army of Iron Man suits. I don't think he killed ANYONE in the last one except maybe Whiplash and the ones he killed in the first one were a bit more understandable. This is a superhero movie... your not supposed to gun everyone down.

I have yet to see the movie, but I wanted to talk about this comment.

Don't mix up Tony's ethics with other heroes like Superman or Batman, Tony spent a good chunk of his life selling military hardware for the purpose of murdering people. Even after the whole "cave" event, he was not so much shaken that his weapons were killing people, he was shaken that his weapons were killing the WRONG people. For example, in the first movie when he escaped said cave, he killed an entire force of terrorists, many dying a very violent, fiery death to his wrist mounted flamethrowers.

Later on, when he saw his weapons once again in the wrong hands, he proceeded to murder yet another force, kill a bunch of terrorists, crack a few guys chest cavities open as he punches or repulsors them 200 feet in the air, blows up some guys in a tank, and left one guy to possible brutal torture at the hands of those he was attempting to subjugate. This is not even counting all the terrorists that died when Tony blew up all his missiles while whole crews of people were still around them. 30-40? We probably saw him kill more then that in the first movie.

Even during his fight with Stane, he attempted not one, but TWO plans that he knew would end in Stane getting killed. First attempting to make him and his suit plummet to his death like he almost did earlier in the movie due to freezing over, and later having Pepper override the Arc Reactor so that the electric vortex would fry his ass. This to a guy that up till a few hours earlier Tony saw almost like an uncle.

May 12, 2013#152

Jax

Also, there are plenty of other superhero movies where people get killed by the superhero (probably more than where the hero doesn't kill anyone). Just as long as they're bad guys it's A-OK

May 12, 2013#153

AshburnerX

This really does seem to be the dividing line between DC movies and Marvel moves (aside from the fact that the DC movie usually suck...)

May 12, 2013#154

Bowielee

AshburnerX said:
This really does seem to be the dividing line between DC movies and Marvel moves (aside from the fact that the DC movie usually suck...)

Batman killed a bunch of people. For example an entire temple full of Ra's Al Gul's henchmen.

May 12, 2013#155

ScytheRexx

Bowielee said:
Batman killed a bunch of people. For example an entire temple full of Ra's Al Gul's henchmen.

Yes but he didn't MEAN to kill them! In the Nolan Batman trilogy it always seemed to be his scape goat for when someone else died that it was always an accident from either defending himself or escaping. Remember the ending when Ras says "You won't kill me" and Batman is like "No, but I won't save you." before gliding away to let Ras blow up on the train?

Actually that was the one thing that bothered me about that trilogy. One minute he is like "No death for any reason!" then he does something that gets someone killed, but shrugs it off and moves on. He does not want to kill the old man but blows up the temple killing all the ninjas. He does not want to kill Ras so he... lets the train kill Ras.

In "The Dark Knight" he has a huge fight with Joker, "accidentally" knows him off a ledge but fights to save him. Later on he tackles Two-Face off a ledge to his death.

Also loved how in Dark Knight Rises...

Batman almost lectures Catwoman on not killing people, only for Catwoman to save his life later by using Batmans own bike to straight up murder Bane. No lecture after that, they both go on to get Talia killed, then go off an have sex in Europe.

May 12, 2013#156

Cheesy1

ScytheRexx said:
Actually that was the one thing that bothered me about that trilogy. One minute he is like "No death for any reason!" then he does something that gets someone killed, but shrugs it off and moves on.

May 12, 2013#157

BananaHands

Cheesy1 said:

Arg! Beat me to it.

May 12, 2013#158

Charlie Don't Surf

I had a great amount of fun with this. It was SO much better than Avengers/Iron Man 2. Tony Stark's voice / character seemed so much better / cooler in this. I have this right next to Captain America as the best Marvel movie yet.

Shane Black loves his shipyard and Christmas finales, doesn't he?

I was a little set off by Mandarin being a front, since he seemed like an epic / formidable villain, and it's kind of lame they threw away the little build up for it in Iron Man 1, BUT Killian was a pretty badass character / villain in his own right and that made up for it and still had a really great villain arc and performance.

May 12, 2013#159

AshburnerX

The whole "breaths fire" thing could have killed Tony a dozen times over. Is there some reason he didn't use it after he used it JUST t intimidate Roadie? Because seriously... fire breath would have killed Tony Stark SO. MANY. TIMES.

Jun 8, 2013#160

ScytheRexx

Finally saw it, loved it.

I admit, the Mandarin thing felt like it was forced into the movie just to give a twist. However, I was not really all that mad about it. At most, I would have dragged it out a little more, since the reveal felt like it happened barely over the half way mark and really killed the mystery.

Besides that, the only other things that bothered me were petty little plot holes.

Like, we know Killian needed the Iron Patriot armor to sneak onto Air Force One. After that, we see the suit flying away from Air Force One without anyone in his hands. It's later revealed that the President was trapped in the suit. If this is the case, how the hell did Killian get off the plane? Better yet, how did his one reoccurring henchman even get on the plane in the first place? I thought getting the suit was because it could get you on the plane, and yet you had someone else already on the plane?

It made it almost feel like Killian could teleport, because about five minutes later he is talking with Pepper looking like he just got out of the shower when the Iron Patriot suit appears with the president inside. Did he somehow beat the suit back home?

Wait I just realized, I am not sure how well I saw his face when the mask opened after taking out all the presidents guards, was it the henchman? That likely explains it. I may have to watch again for that scene because I could have swore it was Killian.

The other plot issue was how he was able to accurately lock his suit around other people. I thought him attaching all those little computer systems to his arm was to help the computers in the suit properly position themselves, like little guides. Yet he can wave his hands and make them perfectly form on ANOTHER persons body? One without little lock on computers? Was he secretly installing them into Pepper and Killian while they slept?

Jun 8, 2013#161

AshburnerX

Yeah, it was the henchmen guy.

As the thing she implants... I figured those were to read his muscle movements so that the suit knew when to come. Remember, he'd usually hit a certain pose to activate it.

Jun 8, 2013#162

Gilgamesh

I actually highly disliked this movie.

I guess I should correct myself. I loved the first 3/4ths of the movie but once

It was revealed that the Mandarin was a fake, it all went down hill. The final fight was boring. Killian announcing he was -The Mandarin- was a bigger fuck you than the fake reveal. Also the -Oh I fixed Pepper in about 5 seconds- was a crock. Oh and I totally fixed a formula that an entire think tank failed at but won't release it to the world to save millions of lives was the final nail in the coffin.

Seriously, how did it go so wrong in the last hour so fast?

Jun 9, 2013#163

AshburnerX

Why would he release it to the world? Sure, it heals people... but it also gives them super powers. That stuff hits the market and then every government has entire armies of supermen.

Jun 9, 2013#164

ScytheRexx

It was also implied, obviously, that the whole serum was very, very unstable. Even during the final battle many of the Extremis Soldiers were literally exploding when they died, one almost taking out the entire rig everyone was standing on.

They even hinted that this instability might happen to any of them. Maya even implied that Killian would likely explode someday.

When Tony Stark said he "fixed" Pepper, I don't think it means he perfected the serum and now had a super healing serum. It likely means he found out how the whole process worked and forged a sort of counter-agent that removed Extremis from her system, making her normal again.

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