So yeah, I enjoyed it. I'm not sure what change tegid and Far are thinking of, but reading the storyline at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremis_(comics) shows there are many changes from the comic.
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Man Daren, is how they got away with having The Mandarin in the Chinese Theaters.
My understanding is that it's a bit of a dual misdirection, kinda like how Ra's al Ghul was Liam Neeson all along. The Mandarin is actually The Mandarin, but is playing a role of an actor playing The Mandarin as to avoid suspicion. Which makes it even niftier.
I liked Iron Man 2
I liked Iron Man 2
figmentPez
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I loved this movie. Not perfect, not my favorite superhero movie, but so very much fun. I might have more to say later, but I am so very happy I saw this. The happy feelings I have are making my week so much better.
None of the above. I didn't see anything connecting the Mandarin with the Ten Rings. They seem to be, in this universe, unrelated.
figmentPez
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Another possibility: Creating a fake Mandarin doesn't mean a real one doesn't exist. Granted, that might be difficult to explain to a movie audience, but it's still possible. It'd be kind of like an episode of Scooby Doo where, after they unmasked the fake monster, there was a real version lurking around. Maybe a little confusing, but not that unrealistic. If someone were trying to pull off a hoax terrorist organization, pulling logos and names from existing groups would make it that much harder to unravel the truth.
While I don't know much about the Iron Man comics, I was pretty excited to see the Mandarin in the movie, he seemed like the most bad-ass villain yet. So I was a little disappointed that he turned out to be a fake, but the rest of the movie was really awesome to watch, so I can look past it 
I completely disagree.
I could swear the logo was there on the videos
Or was the Man Daren acting like a fool to avoid arrest?
I actually liked this movie. To me, it made up for Iron Man 2
He's pretty Indian too.
Gonna see this movie this afternoon. I will return later with my thoughtful insights. Probably either a, "I liked it." or a, "It's shit."
Looking at screenshots, you're right, I remembered seeing the swords part, but not the rest of it. In that case:
It really depends on how much of the Ten Rings was left after the events of the first movie. If it was heavily weakened by Tony's (and Obediah's) actions, they might be acting as if the Mandarian is part of a regrowth of the movement, and who could say otherwise? There's not a lot to go on though.
Except didn't they start using this terrorist bit to cover up their experiments going wrong and self destructing? And it's not like hijacking the name of a mostly dead terrorist organization is terribly complex.
Just got back from seeing it, myself. I dug it. I'd say it was the best of the three, if only for the final action sequence, which was head and shoulders above the first two crap final fights. A few other things to mention behind spoilery stuff:
-While I really enjoyed the final sequence, I wasn't crazy about the fact that the majority of it, Tony spent it outside of the armour(s). It's not Tony Stark 3, but Iron Man 3. Then again, we got PLENTY of armour action, so it's a minor complaint at best. The lack of a suit certainly added plenty of tension.
-I really liked the exploration of Tony's PTSD, though I don't think we ever got a final payoff for it. Unless you count him finally fixing his heart.
-I'm a little disappointed in what we got for The Mandarin, but at the same time, I can completely understand why we did. He's an incredibly racist character - less so than his first appearances, but he's still pretty much "evil Chinese guy." That wouldn't play well with the movie's largest overseas market. So I'm actually pretty impressed with what they did with him, instead.
-LOVED the improvised action with the different parts of the suit.
-I didn't totally dig the "Tony in buttfuck nowhere" bits, but after the insane action, we needed a good breather and character development for Tony.
-I really liked the exploration of Tony's PTSD, though I don't think we ever got a final payoff for it. Unless you count him finally fixing his heart.
-I'm a little disappointed in what we got for The Mandarin, but at the same time, I can completely understand why we did. He's an incredibly racist character - less so than his first appearances, but he's still pretty much "evil Chinese guy." That wouldn't play well with the movie's largest overseas market. So I'm actually pretty impressed with what they did with him, instead.
-LOVED the improvised action with the different parts of the suit.
-I didn't totally dig the "Tony in buttfuck nowhere" bits, but after the insane action, we needed a good breather and character development for Tony.
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Also just saw it, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm disclaiming this with the fact that I am shamelessly a sucker for anything Iron Man and Captain America in this new Marvel movie universe.
As far as the "particular change", I'm just going to brofist Covar's spoiler post because I agree 100%. I loved it and I'm not sorry.
As far as the "particular change", I'm just going to brofist Covar's spoiler post because I agree 100%. I loved it and I'm not sorry.
I give a whole hearty MEH.
It wasn't terrible, but there was very little I liked about it. Sure makes those interdimensional aliens look like chumps though, since apparently all the Iron Man armor is made of paper.
It wasn't terrible, but there was very little I liked about it. Sure makes those interdimensional aliens look like chumps though, since apparently all the Iron Man armor is made of paper.
And man, who makes those bad guy's clothes? The heat melts through steel but not their nice suits?
I had no problem with the Mandarin being a phony, my problem with the villain was I thought AIM was supposed to be this whole think tank thing. I doubt they're ever going to be used again in any of the movies and all they ended up being is Killian, One Night Stand and fire soldiers.
I had no problem with the Mandarin being a phony, my problem with the villain was I thought AIM was supposed to be this whole think tank thing. I doubt they're ever going to be used again in any of the movies and all they ended up being is Killian, One Night Stand and fire soldiers.
I don't know why, but in this movie I kind of liked it better this way. We've seen Iron Man in action for a long time already and to me Tony Stark is Iron Man (as he mentioned it himself a few times already), so I liked very much to see how Iron Man coped without his armour. I did have this problem a lot with The Dark Knight Rises, there I felt like Bruce Wayne wasn't Batman anymore, and just struggling a lot to become him again..
BananaHands
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Guys, guys, guys...
Now, on to my thoughts!
Overall, I thought it was wonderful. It almost seemed like a five-part comic arc.
Mandarin = Aldrich Killian. I thought this was brilliant, and although it is heavily changed from the comics (Killian only being in about four pages in the Extremis comic), it was a great way to bring one Iron Man's slightly more ridiculous enemy into the fray. I also loved how Killian had Fing Fang Foom tattoo'd on his chest.
- I didn't mind him being out of the suit so much, it was kind of an answer to that Cap line from Avengers "Take away the suit and what are you?"
- I bet AIM will be used again. Someone will take over now that Killian is out of the picture and turn it into what we see in the comics.
- Oh my god that scene with Trevor.
- Are they going to make that kid Star Lord?
- If I have to hear one more goddamn person go "THEY DIDN'T USE THE SOURCE MATERIAL KILLIAN WAS BREATHING FIRE WTF". Come on. Read the goddamn thing.
- "Dads leave, you don't have to be a pussy about it"
Overall, I thought it was wonderful. It almost seemed like a five-part comic arc.
Not even a radio communication or throw away conversation (and considering that this movie had about 40 minutes of throw away conversations, it's not like they didn't have time).
Is it sad that the only times I felt entertained are when he was palling around with his Short Round?
BananaHands
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Fiege (Feige?) mentioned in an interview that the absence would be a part of the plot in avengers 2. But I gotta look up the article. He said something along the lines of "Tony wouldn't forget about that"
Holy shit, why didn't I think of that? I doubt that was intentional (if it was, it would've been mentioned), but some really nice synchronicity there. I take back what I said.
BananaHands
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I also really liked the contrast to how skilled Rhodes was out of the suit compared to Tony.
And oh my god the "WarMachineRox" password... I loved Rhodes in this movie.
BananaHands
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Now we get Captain America #2, which is just Cap n' SHIELD FRIENDS <3
They could have at very least had some sort of explanation as to why they weren't doing anything. Hell, even having Nick Fury showing up at the end telling Stark that they were monitoring the situation and chewing him out for acting without consulting them, or something.
Dave
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I intensely disliked the final fight.
So yeah, I thought it was a cheesy clusterfuck.
All these autonomous suits flying around and each one able to suddenly be in position to fit Tony in. Not to mention they got from Los Angeles to Miami is about 5 minutes. And when Pepper Potts gets magical restorative abilities and reflexes also somehow learns to fight, do judo and fire the hand weapon she was unable to earlier in the movie - both times under duress.
So yeah, I thought it was a cheesy clusterfuck.
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