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Lets pretend that he didn't get a ton of facts wrong. Lets even ignore he's talking to actors dressed up as 'founding fathers'. Did he just basically say he wants to start an army?

Fact is people are going to take it seriously, just seems that it is put together with a serious 'vibe' and that the facts are kinda vague, but believable.

Bwahwahwa, that guy is hilarious. Is this a real politician or a comedian? He'd be great in the Colbert show.

"You revolted over a tea tax... A TEA TAX!"

It's real, and it's bordering on treason. He's basically calling for armed revolt as a campaign platform.

I find it pretty fascinating. I know political commercials have been pretty strange lately, but wow!

Wow...words fail me. Even Michelle Bachmann didn't push it this far.

Yeah, and she's batshit nuts!

This was entertaining for sure, but I'd hate to see it more than once.

I didn't think that Sam Adams was a beer brewer. Meaning, I didn't think he was known for that. I know a lot of folks made their own brew at home, and no one would have made a big deal out of it. This dork probably thinks of beer when Sam Adams name is mentioned simply b/c of the company that has no ties to the real dude.

According to wikipedia...

After Adams had lost his money, his father made him a partner in the family's malthouse, which was next to the family home on Purchase Street. Several generations of Adamses were maltsters, who produced the malt necessary for brewing beer.[25] Years later, a poet would poke fun at Adams by calling him "Sam the maltster".[26] Adams has often been described as a brewer, but the extant evidence suggests that Adams worked as a maltster and not a brewer.[27]

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So in fact, he wasn't a brewer, he was a maltster.

Always gotta love the use of founding fathers to push their agenda, it really is too bad that they didn't show the slaves bringing them food and water, or working the field. Also how is the health care bill part of the without representation, it was voted on by their elected officials.

crono1224 said:

Always gotta love the use of founding fathers to push their agenda, it really is too bad that they didn't show the slaves bringing them food and water, or working the field. Also how is the health care bill part of the without representation, it was voted on by their elected officials.

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Sam Adams was an abolitionist. John Adams did not own slaves. I know that Jefferson owned slaves (which is unsettling with what he wrote). It's a big misconception that the majority of the founding fathers supported slavery.

dr_awkward;400020][QUOTE=crono1224 said:

Always gotta love the use of founding fathers to push their agenda, it really is too bad that they didn't show the slaves bringing them food and water, or working the field. Also how is the health care bill part of the without representation, it was voted on by their elected officials.

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Sam Adams was an abolitionist. John Adams did not own slaves. I know that Jefferson owned slaves (which is unsettling with what he wrote). It's a big misconception that the majority of the founding fathers supported slavery.[/QUOTE]

Washington? But I agree not all of them did. I just stating that the opinions of people 200+ years ago isn't as relevant to the events of today.

Yes, there is such a thing as Over the Top http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093692/

If the founding fathers were still alive the world would be a virtual utopia, our species would be a population of pure energy, and dogs and cats would be living together (according to the Tea Party and Libertarians anyway).

Chazwozel said:

If the founding fathers were still alive the world would be a virtual utopia, our species would be a population of pure energy, and dogs and cats would be living together (according to the Tea Party and Libertarians anyway).

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Which is hilarious to me, because I'm not so sure that the founding fathers would want to be deified like that. The Constitution was made with the fundamental idea that they did not know everything and that things would change.

Jigglymuff said:

Yes, there is such a thing as Over the Top http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093692/

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This is the wisest post in this thread.

And in today's news, Rick "gather your armies" Barber has lost his runoff election to face the Democrat candidate in November. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You know, once, very long time ago I thought very highly of the Founding Fathers. I know, I'm not an American, but the quite modern approach they took to government at the end of the era of absolutism just struck a cord in me. Nowadays, it seems that the only people who speak of these gentlemen are people like Rick Barber and this guy. In the case of the latter, he's definitely over the top. He actually claims he is Thomas Paine, and that apparently makes his right-wing blabber true.

No offence, guys, but you have some pretty fucked-up people on your side of the Atlantic.

North_Ranger said:

You know, once, very long time ago I thought very highly of the Founding Fathers. I know, I'm not an American, but the quite modern approach they took to government at the end of the era of absolutism just struck a cord in me. Nowadays, it seems that the only people who speak of these gentlemen are people like Rick Barber and this guy. In the case of the latter, he's definitely over the top. He actually claims he is Thomas Paine, and that apparently makes his right-wing blabber true.

No offence, guys, but you have some pretty fucked-up people on your side of the Atlantic.

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Jesus gets a bum rap from the same people.

North_Ranger said:

You know, once, very long time ago I thought very highly of the Founding Fathers. I know, I'm not an American, but the quite modern approach they took to government at the end of the era of absolutism just struck a cord in me. Nowadays, it seems that the only people who speak of these gentlemen are people like Rick Barber and this guy. In the case of the latter, he's definitely over the top. He actually claims he is Thomas Paine, and that apparently makes his right-wing blabber true.

No offence, guys, but you have some pretty fucked-up people on your side of the Atlantic.

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In my opinion, you should continue to hold the Founding Fathers in high esteem. I think they were political visionaries, and the government they set up was ahead of its time. Just because we have morons misunderstanding them, twisting their words, and squandering the potential, doesn't mean the FF weren't right on the money (about most things).

Troll;416741][QUOTE=North_Ranger said:

You know, once, very long time ago I thought very highly of the Founding Fathers. I know, I'm not an American, but the quite modern approach they took to government at the end of the era of absolutism just struck a cord in me. Nowadays, it seems that the only people who speak of these gentlemen are people like Rick Barber and this guy. In the case of the latter, he's definitely over the top. He actually claims he is Thomas Paine, and that apparently makes his right-wing blabber true.

No offence, guys, but you have some pretty fucked-up people on your side of the Atlantic.

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In my opinion, you should continue to hold the Founding Fathers in high esteem. I think they were political visionaries, and the government they set up was ahead of its time. Just because we have morons misunderstanding them, twisting their words, and squandering the potential, doesn't mean the FF weren't right on the money (about most things).[/QUOTE]

I just keep wondering if they would have done anything differently if they'd found out what kind of bullshittery people are up to, saying that they're doing what the Founding Fathers would have wanted. Kinda like in that John Adams miniseries where the elderly Mr Adams basically tells the painter of Declaration of Independence that he's basically fucking up and mythologizing the American history.

I'm betting dollars to donuts that Ben Franklin would've just gone "Aww fuck it" and gone to invent a steam-driven spider tank or something...

The big problem is that people have been doing this all throughout history. Every ruler or person in power claims that they have some sort of mandate from revered leaders of the past. If people wouldn't fall for it so readily, it wouldn't be such a problem. The beauty of the Constitution is that people can decide for themselves what's right and wrong and change it as needed. There shouldn't be a concern about what politicians from two centuries ago would have wanted.

Troll said:

The big problem is that people have been doing this all throughout history. Every ruler or person in power claims that they have some sort of mandate from revered leaders of the past. If people wouldn't fall for it so readily, it wouldn't be such a problem. The beauty of the Constitution is that people can decide for themselves what's right and wrong and change it as needed. There shouldn't be a concern about what politicians from two centuries ago would have wanted.

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No way, Troll. The Founding Fathers totally wanted citizens to carry around assault rifles and RPGs!

Chazwozel;417276][QUOTE=Troll said:

The big problem is that people have been doing this all throughout history. Every ruler or person in power claims that they have some sort of mandate from revered leaders of the past. If people wouldn't fall for it so readily, it wouldn't be such a problem. The beauty of the Constitution is that people can decide for themselves what's right and wrong and change it as needed. There shouldn't be a concern about what politicians from two centuries ago would have wanted.

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No way, Troll. The Founding Fathers totally wanted citizens to carry around assault rifles and RPGs![/QUOTE]

That's nothing. One of their biggest concerns was Mexican immigration into Arizona, and how much they want people to always have their driver's license on them.