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Valve reveals 'The Sacrifice' DLC for L4D1 and 2, digital comic

In short:
- New DLC that will work in both L4D and L4D2 (owners of L4D2 get to play as the original four)
- L4D2 gets a Valve official remake of "No Mercy"
- 150 page, 4-part digital comic that details events leading up to the new DLC, and will have "a more definitive finale which will effect the future content for the series"
- Free on the PC, $7 on the 360

The article at Joystiq says "the content will work across both games". I'm curious if that means it's just available to owners of either, or if there is cross-game online play and L4D will be able to join a game with L4D2 players.

EDIT: SPOILERS for the comics are contained within this thread, and possibly for the expansion as well.

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I'm betting it just means it is available for both products, but different versions won't be able to game together.

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heh, I still haven't even bought the sequel. I guess I did end up boycotting it and didn't realize it.

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Comic starts Tuesday Sept 14

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First issue of the comic is up and it is awesome.

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figmentPez said:

First issue of the comic is up and it is awesome.

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Yeah... I'm hoping we get confirmation on what they do to those immune to the virus. Right now we're all speculating that they just shoot them for being carriers, but we don't know if immune and carrier are the same thing yet.

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Loved it, looking forward to the rest!

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AshburnerX said:

Yeah... I'm hoping we get confirmation on what they do to those immune to the virus. Right now we're all speculating that they just shoot them for being carriers, but we don't know if immune and carrier are the same thing yet.

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Shooting them would be stupid... they're the only one guaranteed to keep the human race going. Quarantine would be the most logical step... then again humans are idiots.

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@Li3n;437135][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

Yeah... I'm hoping we get confirmation on what they do to those immune to the virus. Right now we're all speculating that they just shoot them for being carriers, but we don't know if immune and carrier are the same thing yet.

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Shooting them would be stupid... they're the only one guaranteed to keep the human race going. Quarantine would be the most logical step... then again humans are idiots.[/QUOTE]

True, but The Parish in Left 4 Dead 2 made it apparent that they were lining people up to the wall and shooting them, and we know that this has to do with these people being carriers and it's been mentioned that the carriers don't get sick from the infection. They may have simply been doing this to keep it from spreading during the emergency, but it's not known if Immune = Carrier yet. We also don't know why some people are immune and others aren't... it's entirely possible that it's not genetic and can't be passed on through heredity.

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Part Two is up, and it's got some more details. This is really good.

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Wow.

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The story, the art, the writing. Fantastic!

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Oh my god... it took me a moment to get the significance of Zoey's dad, when I got to that page, but... holy shit!

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Jiarn said:

The story, the art, the writing. Fantastic!

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I think it's done by the same guy who did the TF2 comics. Whoever that is, they've been a serious boon for the company.

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This is really good. Art style is just perfect for the tone.

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AshburnerX;437136][QUOTE=@Li3n;437135][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

Yeah... I'm hoping we get confirmation on what they do to those immune to the virus. Right now we're all speculating that they just shoot them for being carriers, but we don't know if immune and carrier are the same thing yet.

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Shooting them would be stupid... they're the only one guaranteed to keep the human race going. Quarantine would be the most logical step... then again humans are idiots.[/QUOTE]

True, but The Parish in Left 4 Dead 2 made it apparent that they were lining people up to the wall and shooting them, and we know that this has to do with these people being carriers and it's been mentioned that the carriers don't get sick from the infection. They may have simply been doing this to keep it from spreading during the emergency, but it's not known if Immune = Carrier yet. We also don't know why some people are immune and others aren't... it's entirely possible that it's not genetic and can't be passed on through heredity.[/QUOTE]

And the 2nd comic says

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escushion said:

Wow.

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They really are killing the carriers, even though carriers would be the ones who could repopulate if the zombie thread could ever be taken down. That's incredibly fucked up.

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Eh... have we been reading another comic?!

bhamv3 said:

Oh my god... it took me a moment to get the significance of Zoey's dad, when I got to that page, but... holy shit!

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That was kinda way too soon for her to be in a frame of mind to do that imo...

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How did I not immediately recognize that the artist is Mike Oeming?! I love his work in Powers.

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ScytheRexx said:

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I actually feel bad for the two soldiers fighting with Lou and Francis, because you know they won't make it out alive.

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@AshburnerX

Better question, why didn't they invite the new 4 to join up with them...

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It's a free comic, up for anyone to read. I'm saying skip the spoiler tags. I'm adding SPOILERS, for the comic, to the thread title.

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@Li3n;439355][QUOTE=escushion said:

Wow.

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They really are killing the carriers, even though carriers would be the ones who could repopulate if the zombie thread could ever be taken down. That's incredibly fucked up.

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Eh... have we been reading another comic?![/QUOTE]

Didn't you see the big pile of burning bodies while Zoey was talking about what would happen to them?

Or the doctor saying the only reason he was alive was because they hoped he'd find a cure? That implies they've been killing carriers otherwise. Not all of them, obviously, since they have a bunch in containment it seems, but they have been killing them.

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escushion said:

Didn't you see the big pile of burning bodies while Zoey was talking about what would happen to them?

Or the doctor saying the only reason he was alive was because they hoped he'd find a cure? That implies they've been killing carriers otherwise. Not all of them, obviously, since they have a bunch in containment it seems, but they have been killing them.

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It's pretty unlikely all those bodies were Carriers. It's more likely they were just Infected who stumbled too close to the complex and were killed by the soldiers. They are likely burning the bodies to help stop the spread of the infection to their own people.

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AshburnerX said:

Here's my question though... if the Original 4 already knew that the government was executing people who were carriers, why the fuck didn't they warn the L4D2 group about it? It would seem like a common courtesy and it wouldn't have taken but a minute or two to do. I know the OBVIOUS answer is because Valve hadn't decided yet, but it does seem like a plothole now.

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The behavior at the meeting of the two teams is really puzzling. I'd think that warning the other survivors that they're carriers is just as pressing as warning them about about being shot for it. "Hey! Be careful about coming into contact with other people, you could infect them!"

What does this mean for poor Virgil? Is he a carrier or soon to become a zombie because of his contact with Nick, Rochelle, Coach and Ellis? Will he pick up some non-carriers, who will then turn because of contact with him?

I don't think any non-carriers would be moving around alive at this point on land. They'd have to be in isolated places at this point (bunker, boat, plane, helicopter). So either Virgil's a carrier, or he likely won't be hurting anyone.

escushion said:

I don't think any non-carriers would be moving around alive at this point on land. They'd have to be in isolated places at this point (bunker, boat, plane, helicopter). So either Virgil's a carrier, or he likely won't be hurting anyone.

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What about an oil rig? Say, for instance, that Virgil is a carrier, and he finds an oil rig where the workers have been holed-up and he offers them news and help. Unfortunately they get infected by him, and turn into zombies.

escushion said:

I don't think any non-carriers would be moving around alive at this point on land. They'd have to be in isolated places at this point (bunker, boat, plane, helicopter). So either Virgil's a carrier, or he likely won't be hurting anyone.

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If Virgil was, so was his wife. He mentioned specifically that she had been bit. However, he would have HAD to have been one if he had been ferrying survivors up and down the river all this time, especially considering he was with the L4D2 crew long enough that he'd have needed fuel for his boat.

It'd be easier to tell who was and wasn't a Carrier if we'd get some kind of time frame from being Infected to turning into one. Without it, we really have no REAL basis to declare immunity.

AshburnerX said:

It'd be easier to tell who was and wasn't a Carrier if we'd get some kind of time frame from being Infected to turning into one. Without it, we really have no REAL basis to declare immunity.

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According to the graffiti it's anywhere between 5 minutes and a couple of days...

And the comic points out that the chopper guy was bitten, and that the virus isn't always airborne... so basically anything the writers feel like is what the virus behaves like.

And l4d1 also had boat people who apparently didn't turn while the O4 where there.

figmentPez said:

It's a free comic, up for anyone to read. I'm saying skip the spoiler tags. I'm adding SPOILERS, for the comic, to the thread title.

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@Li3n said:

And l4d1 also had boat people who apparently didn't turn while the O4 where there.

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True, but they were kicked off the boat before they turned. If they had turned while they were on the boat, it's likely the survivors would have just taken that and been home free. So ether the boat people were Carriers, or there's an empty boat out there.

AshburnerX said:

True, but they were kicked off the boat before they turned. If they had turned while they were on the boat, it's likely the survivors would have just taken that and been home free. So ether the boat people were Carriers, or there's an empty boat out there.

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The doc mentions that it's not always airborne... and the chopper pilot must have turned pretty fast for them to crash... i doubt they spent more time in the chopper then the boat. Of course if the graffiti is right there's no constant time table for turning...

AshburnerX said:

Here's MY question though... So if the order is No Mercy, Crash Course, Death Toll, Blood Harvest, and then The Sacrifice... were does Dead Air fit into the picture? They didn't mention getting picked up by a military transport before, so it's unlikely they've done it yet. It's possible they'll do it in the next few comics, but it seems like another plot hole.

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Did that plane even count as a military transport?! For all we know it was just left there and someone with a pilots license hid in the cockpit... or even a military pilot that got left behind would probably not count as teh military picking them up.

From the way they're placed in the game the order is No Mercy, Death Toll, Dead Air, Blood Harvest.

AshburnerX said:

We DO know for sure that The Last Stand is canonical though, as everyone is alive at the start of that.

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Did you mean it's not canonical?! Because there's no way it makes sense for them to start up a noisy motor when they obviously had no way out.

@Li3n said:

The doc mentions that it's not always airborne... and the chopper pilot must have turned pretty fast for them to crash... i doubt they spent more time in the chopper then the boat. Of course if the graffiti is right there's no constant time table for turning...

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Pilot had been bitten, or so they say.

@Li3n said:

Did that plane even count as a military transport?! For all we know it was just left there and someone with a pilots license hid in the cockpit... or even a military pilot that got left behind would probably not count as teh military picking them up.

From the way they're placed in the game the order is No Mercy, Death Toll, Dead Air, Blood Harvest.

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I actually removed this part from the original post because I looked back and Francis actually did mention that the plane crashed. So yeah, they actually never reached a safe zone.

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AshburnerX said:

We DO know for sure that The Last Stand is canonical though, as everyone is alive at the start of that.

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Did you mean it's not canonical?! Because there's no way it makes sense for them to start up a noisy motor when they obviously had no way out.

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*facepalm* Yes, I did. Fixing the post.

AshburnerX said:

Pilot had been bitten, or so they say.

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Which means we have no idea whether or not the boat people would have been infected even if they where not immune.

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escushion said:

Didn't you see the big pile of burning bodies while Zoey was talking about what would happen to them?

Or the doctor saying the only reason he was alive was because they hoped he'd find a cure? That implies they've been killing carriers otherwise. Not all of them, obviously, since they have a bunch in containment it seems, but they have been killing them.

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You think the doc was a carrier?! I find it more likely that he was scared the military personnel was close to freaking out and shooting them all...

The doc is wearing a mask--those don't keep disease out, they keep disease in.

BTW, the graffiti about the military shooting carriers seems to imply it's not an organized thing: Graffiti - The Left 4 Dead Wiki - Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Survivors, Infected, walkthroughs, news, and more

Upstairs room of two story house next to trailer

• 10 PM TONIGHT MEET HERE WE GO OVER THE FENCE
  • IT'S SUCIDE
  • THE MILITARY IS SHOOTINGTO KILL
  • THEY CAN'T KILL ALL OF US
  • YES THEY CAN

On the first floor of a half-demolished house:

• CEDA abandoned us, the military fenced us in.
• WE'RE NOT SICK
• If you can read this, the military has cut us off. We are being left here to die! --Patricia West, 1977-2009

• Carriers = Zombies
  • Kill All Carriers

• DON'T BREAK THE QUARANTINE LINE
  • If you help anyone from the compound They won't EVAC you
    • There's NOTHING WRONG with these people!
  • THOSE ARE HUMAN BEINGS OVER THERE THEY'RE BEING SHOT FOR NOTHING
    • They are being shot to save you They are infected If you let them in I'll kill you myself

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Just looks like they where shooting carriers that tried to break quarantine...

escushion said:

The doc is wearing a mask--those don't keep disease out, they keep disease in.

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Wait, so back when the pig flu was around all those people wearing masks for protection where doing it wrong?! That's funny.

Now this 2nd guy posting ther rambles on a bit about stuff that's obviously false but he does have an interesting hypotesis on why the virus might appear to be airborne at times: Talk:Green Flu - The Left 4 Dead Wiki - Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Survivors, Infected, walkthroughs, news, and more

The virus being present in airborne "spores" that come from Smokers and Boomers exploding would make more sense then it losing the very useful ability to be airborne through mutation... we should go suggest it to Valve.

@Li3n said:

The virus being present in airborne "spores" that come from Smokers and Boomers exploding would make more sense then it losing the very useful ability to be airborne through mutation... we should go suggest it to Valve.

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This makes A LOT of sense and it certainly explains why the virus would cause their host to become a walking bomb... and why said Walking Bomb is the most common form of Special Infected, according to the CEDA stuff (It's supposed to be like 50% or more of Special Infected are Boomers.) It even explains why the bile attracts other infected: they are trying to maximize the chance of infection.

Just read these. I am even more crushed that I have neither the time or a system required to play these games.

Gods, how I long for the days when my kids are old enough to want to do this stuff...

@Li3n said:

Wait, so back when the pig flu was around all those people wearing masks for protection where doing it wrong?! That's funny.

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When the news hit, I spent an hour on the phone with my mom trying to explain why buying masks for the entire family wasn't going to help prevent anyone from getting sick, and it was far more useful to make a point of washing your hands very thoroughly before eating/touching your face.

That's why you buy masks that actually seal against your face and at least use HEPA filters to help screen out the bad stuff.

I have several for my family lol.

Where's the comic? Is Kurtz doing it now or something?

escushion said:

Where's the comic? Is Kurtz doing it now or something?

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My friend... allow me to introduce you to a concept know as Valve Time...

AshburnerX said:

My friend... allow me to introduce you to a concept know as Valve Time...

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Nice... I like how it's all neatly laid out so you can see how skewed their sense of deadlines are...

Azurephoenix;440969][QUOTE=AshburnerX said:

My friend... allow me to introduce you to a concept know as Valve Time...

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Nice... I like how it's all neatly laid out so you can see how skewed their sense of deadlines are...[/QUOTE]

It's actually more like they are perfectionists. They have a certain set of standards that they must meet before they can deem the product shippable. Unfortunately, they are absurdly highly, which leads to delays. This does keep the quality high though.

escushion said:

Where's the comic? Is Kurtz doing it now or something?

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Part 3 is up now, in case anyone didn't know.

I knew Jeff and Annie were going to die, though I admit they lasted longer then I expected them to.

One thing I don't understand though, is how did the doctor fall behind? I mean seriously, we see him still with the four when Jeff and Annie leave to go to the holdout. We see him running with the group pretty much a few steps behind on page 123, and yet somehow Francis, Louis, and Bill had time to have a whole conversation in the control room, mess with the controls, and start the train fast enough that it was going faster then the few steps the doctor could run. I don't know why but that discrepancy really bothered me.

I've been enjoying these as well but I notied the doctor thing too. I was reading through and then said to myself "Hey wasn't that doctor with them and keeping up fine? I wonder whe-oh, there he is. Hope he...nevermind."

The Doctor was shown being out of breath after only a short run earlier. It's entirely likely he simply stopped to catch his breath and then couldn't get back in time.

AshburnerX said:

The Doctor was shown being out of breath after only a short run earlier. It's entirely likely he simply stopped to catch his breath and then couldn't get back in time.

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Yea. He was pretty out of shape in the slide 110. I am guessing Doc was totally out of breath after the last run away from the Tank.

Am I the only one who would actually like to know that there are other humans capable of surviving while not being carriers? It's kind of depressing that everyone encountered in the game and this comic dies horribly.

Azurephoenix said:

Am I the only one who would actually like to know that there are other humans capable of surviving while not being carriers? It's kind of depressing that everyone encountered in the game and this comic dies horribly.

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This is my guess.

I am guessing at this point, the compound was secure and was "laying" low in terms of the infected didn't know there are people there. They probably "clean" people as they go in and out to ensure the "purity" of their people. You say the Lt. got infected and turning slowly. So I am assuming that pocket civilization that are isolated or really clean can have normal humans that are not carriers.

Of course once the siren goes off, it is FFA on the compound

It shows the doc right with them, Zoey seemingly holding his hand even, on 123 when they are, what, at most 30-50 yards from the train . Then he just disappears for a few pages while everyone is getting on the train and trying to figure out how to start the thing, then he suddenly shows up again like he was way behind after they've started moving.

I can accept that maybe he couldn't quite keep up with them but what did he do? Everyone makes their last dash for the train and he says "You know what guys with the guns who have obviously been doing this for a bit, I'm kinda tired. You go on ahead, start that train up. I'm just gonna hang back for a second, no please, no guns for me, while this insurmountable hoard barrels towards me and you guys get the train going, then I'll catch up. See you in a few!"

If they wanted to have him that far behind they should have at least had him stumble on something and the others not notice he had until they get on the train.

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It shows the doc right with them, Zoey seemingly holding his hand even, on 123 when they are, what, at most 30-50 yards from the train . Then he just disappears for a few pages while everyone is getting on the train and trying to figure out how to start the thing, then he suddenly shows up again like he was way behind after they've started moving.

I can accept that maybe he couldn't quite keep up with them but what did he do? Everyone makes their last dash for the train and he says "You know what guys with the guns who have obviously been doing this for a bit, I'm kinda tired. You go on ahead, start that train up. I'm just gonna hang back for a second, no please, no guns for me, while this insurmountable hoard barrels towards me and you guys get the train going, then I'll catch up. See you in a few!"

If they wanted to have him that far behind they should have at least had him stumble on something and the others not notice he had until they get on the train.

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after looking at it again, you are right

maybe the smoker got him umm.. yea.

Azurephoenix said:

Am I the only one who would actually like to know that there are other humans capable of surviving while not being carriers? It's kind of depressing that everyone encountered in the game and this comic dies horribly.

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There's Whitaker, in his gun shop in L4D2. He didn't have physical contact and barely any air contact with the Survivors, so as long as he sterilized his cola, he should still be alive. Other than him, anyone else who is alive has been flown out to cruise ships in the Gulf of Mexico, which is implied to be the last surviving group of civilian Americans or at least the only surviving group at the moment. It's entirely possible that some of the smaller island communities (think Survival of the Dead) are still alive too, if only because the population would have been low and any infected would have been easy to fight off.

Generally speaking, any isolated communities should have been OK, as long as they aren't near a major highway or a popular off road. Whether or not they STAYED OK is entirely up to chance.

Not to mention, there could be more carriers. If everyone else was wiped out, the carriers could continue humankind, supposing they could survive the zombies.

AshburnerX said:

There's Whitaker, in his gun shop in L4D2. He didn't have physical contact and barely any air contact with the Survivors, so as long as he sterilized his cola, he should still be alive. Other than him, anyone else who is alive has been flown out to cruise ships in the Gulf of Mexico, which is implied to be the last surviving group of civilian Americans or at least the only surviving group at the moment. It's entirely possible that some of the smaller island communities (think Survival of the Dead) are still alive too, if only because the population would have been low and any infected would have been easy to fight off.

Generally speaking, any isolated communities should have been OK, as long as they aren't near a major highway or a popular off road. Whether or not they STAYED OK is entirely up to chance.

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Ah yes... good old Whitaker... I hope he makes it... though I don't have high hopes for him (considering soldiers are portrayed as hapless fools who can't even hold a military compound with superior firepower).

Isolated islands without exposure will obviously still be good... as long as there isn't some stupid zombie variant that can swim.

escushion said:

Not to mention, there could be more carriers. If everyone else was wiped out, the carriers could continue humankind, supposing they could survive the zombies.

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Possible... though I don't rate their chances as very good. let's say being a carrier is genetically distributed to 1% of the world's population... you end up with 67 million carriers. Now a lot of them are going to die... a LOT. Given how practically everyone in the games and comics gets annihilated in short order I would say you are going to be lucky with 5% surviving. That's only around 3.35 million carriers around the globe. I suppose if the zombies are all destroyed that would be enough to repopulate the world... but that's going to be rough.

I've always wondered... if these "zombies" are still basically humanlike with a virus turning them into their current state... would weapons like sarin and VX gas be effective against them? Those could be devastating against a thick concentration of the bastards.

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Isolated islands without exposure will obviously still be good... as long as there isn't some stupid zombie variant that can swim.

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A boomer could float to an island and infect them with the vomit

Azurephoenix said:

Ah yes... good old Whitaker... I hope he makes it... though I don't have high hopes for him (considering soldiers are portrayed as hapless fools who can't even hold a military compound with superior firepower).

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It's not just a matter of holding off the infected. They would also need to dispose of the bodies, hoping the virus can't remain active in deaf flesh for very long, or that it doesn't change vectors again. They also have to deal with the fact the every shot they fire, every shell they drop on the Infected, calls out to MORE Infected. It could be hours or days of unending siege against a foe that doesn't eat, sleep, or become afraid.

Azurephoenix said:

Possible... though I don't rate their chances as very good. let's say being a carrier is genetically distributed to 1% of the world's population... you end up with 67 million carriers. Now a lot of them are going to die... a LOT. Given how practically everyone in the games and comics gets annihilated in short order I would say you are going to be lucky with 5% surviving. That's only around 3.35 million carriers around the globe. I suppose if the zombies are all destroyed that would be enough to repopulate the world... but that's going to be rough.

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Statistically speaking, it would only take a population of 5000 humans that were directly unrelated in order to repopulate the Earth, while ensuring that inbreeding doesn't eventually kill us all. That's not exactly a huge number, considering we have over 6 Billion. The only trick is getting them all together in one place and keeping said population alive.

The achievements for The Sacrifice have been reavealed

- Kill Bill
Have Bill sacrifice himself for the team.
- Sacrifizzle
As a Special Infected, incap someone who is trying to sacrifice themselves.
- Supreme Sacrifice
Complete "The Sacrifice".
- Chaos Generator
Have all 3 generators running at once in "The Sacrifice" finale.
- Barrel Rolled
Kill a Special Infected with an exploding barrel.

The DLC is out as well.

Both games are on sale, too.

man. finally finish reading it.
Dang Bill

So many questions left unanswered.

Release Notes for the update

Looks like some much needed additions for the 360, and not much change for the PC/OSX side, except for this:
-Versus: Infected players will get a respawn time reduction against teams that rush.

Fuck. I knew it was gonna happen but still...

figmentPez said:

Release Notes for the update

Looks like some much needed additions for the 360, and not much change for the PC/OSX side, except for this:
-Versus: Infected players will get a respawn time reduction against teams that rush.

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This was so needed. It'll cause a lot of upsets in the professional groups, but maybe now the game will play at a reasonable pace.

Bill will be back.

AshburnerX;442612][QUOTE=figmentPez said:

Release Notes for the update

Looks like some much needed additions for the 360, and not much change for the PC/OSX side, except for this:
-Versus: Infected players will get a respawn time reduction against teams that rush.

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This was so needed. It'll cause a lot of upsets in the professional groups, but maybe now the game will play at a reasonable pace.[/QUOTE]

What is considered a rush? Because I can think of a couple ways that could be considered.

escushion;442617][QUOTE=AshburnerX;442612][QUOTE=figmentPez said:

Release Notes for the update

Looks like some much needed additions for the 360, and not much change for the PC/OSX side, except for this:
-Versus: Infected players will get a respawn time reduction against teams that rush.

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This was so needed. It'll cause a lot of upsets in the professional groups, but maybe now the game will play at a reasonable pace.[/QUOTE]

What is considered a rush? Because I can think of a couple ways that could be considered.[/QUOTE]

Rushing is any time players don't stop moving (unless they are forced to by a Crescendo or something) in an attempt to minimize the amount of time the SI have to setup attacks and get into position. This is a good strategy to use for obvious reasons, but it tends to case a few problems, biggest of which is Raging of the Infected Team. If this is anything, it's going to be an anti-raging measure like the medkit reduction was.

Played the Sacrifice and No Mercy on single player. Both are quite fun, though No Mercy's last two maps are brutal with Chargers around.

They didn't put any borders on them? That's crazy, the Infected will get a free kill for sure in the finale when you have to climb the ladder to the roof then...

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They didn't put any borders on them? That's crazy, the Infected will get a free kill for sure in the finale when you have to climb the ladder to the roof then...

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Yeah, but putting borders up would make being a Tank or Jockey much, much harder. They NEED those open sides to get the most out of their abilities, the Jockey especially.

They don't have to put them everywhere, and they could make them destructible after one hit or something...

But none at all, especially where i mentioned... crazy.

We all picked random, and we all agreed that the person who was Bill would be the one to die. To honor him, kind of.

Totally got stuck being Bill... Did get an achievement out of it though, so it's all good. Definitely a fun DLC. No Mercy is brutal with the new Infected... and was it just me, or did the Witch always spawn right in the three-foot-wide hallway that you absolutely had to go through? Every step of the way?

As i recall that's where she pop'd up in l4d1 too most of the time.

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They didn't put any borders on them? That's crazy, the Infected will get a free kill for sure in the finale when you have to climb the ladder to the roof then...

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Yeah, but putting borders up would make being a Tank or Jockey much, much harder. They NEED those open sides to get the most out of their abilities, the Jockey especially.[/QUOTE]

Played it last night... and they did put borders up on the roof where you climb on it...