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I'm interested in taking up a new martial art. I have extensive training in fencing (epeé) and some training in a few others, and I've got a sense of what I'm good at in general. I'm wondering if there's a particular style that emphasizes defending followed by a counterattack (or two). I know we have some martial artists in here, and I want to know what you think.


#2

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I'm guessing one of the throw heavy styles would be good if that's your thing. Judo comes to mind immediately.


#3

Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler

aikido as well...it's a "take your attacker's force and use it against him" kind of style.


#4

PatrThom

PatrThom

Jeet Kun Do is also supposed to be one of those "I ruin your attack" styles like aikido, IIRC.

--Patrick


#5

Denbrought

Denbrought

I'd say try judo or some jujitsu.


#6

Null

Null

Judo, Jui Jitsu (avoid the "brazilian" variety unless you want to roll around on a mat with another man who's trying to punch you in the goodie bag), and Aikido are defense-focused forms. Most Korean forms (Tae Kwan Do, Tang Su Doo) are very offense focused. Okinawan Karate (Isshin-Ryu, Goju-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu) are usually balanced and do a lot of weapon training (Bo, tonfa, nunchaku, kama, sai). Usually they only bother with low kicks - knee, thigh, and crotch are about as high as they go, so if you're leggy, that might not be for you. When I was a teenager I earned a green belt in Shorin-Ryu, and Sensei Nutall incorporated a lot of elements from other styles, so it wasn't necessarily a typical school.

Non-traditional styles you may want to look at include Krav Maga, Systema/Sambo (Russian martial arts), and Silat. They're less of a 'martial art' than 'training to kill people with your bare hands' though.


#7

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

I read the title of the thread as "Marital arts question"... And it has taken me a minute, while reading the OP, to understand you weren't talking about sex.


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Chazwozel

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#9

Espy

Espy

I did Northern Style Praying Mantis Kung Fu when I lived in Texas and it's a rather defensive form. You can't use it in competition's because it's primarily breaking body parts. If you can find a studio doing it it's a ton of fun.


#10

Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

I'ma jump on the bandwagon and suggest aikido, as well. It's got some of the strongest defensive forms that I've encountered, and is great for straight-up self-defense.

I don't know if Krav Maga or Sambo might be what he's looking for here... as you say, they're basically about killing the person you fight. Krav Maga is great for endurance training, tho *shudders*


#11



Chazwozel

pffftt martial arts... The grab collar and wallop method has always worked well for me.



#12

Adam

Adammon

I guess I just find your reasoning strange for wanting to take up an art. Are you being bullied at school? Is your wife beating you?

If you want to learn how to defend yourself in a bar situation, take up boxing.


#13

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Me? I didn't really offer a reason. I'm confused.

I said "defense followed by a counterattack" because this wouldn't be the first martial art I've studied, and I've come to realize that's something I'm really good at. I'm very good at feigning weakness and openings and enticing a blow, then turning it against my opponent.

I just want to learn a new one because I like the idea.


#14

Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler


boxing versus a real martial art ;)

Boxer is 2 inches taller, 10 pounds heavier, and 5 years younger. In the boxing ring, he won 35 (28 by knockout) and lost 9. He started boxing when he was 8.

Guess who wins? :)


#15

Adam

Adammon

Tinwhistler said:

boxing versus a real martial art ;)

Boxer is 2 inches taller, 10 pounds heavier, and 5 years younger. In the boxing ring, he won 35 (28 by knockout) and lost 9. He started boxing when he was 8.

Guess who wins? :)
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A boxer loses in a ground grapple and you use this as some kind of comparison?


#16

Adam

Adammon

What is your existing experience outside of fencing? What's your body type, Lean, flexible, short, tall?

I might as well recommend sumo without knowing any background.


#17

Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler

Adammon said:
A boxer loses in a ground grapple and you use this as some kind of comparison?
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Absolutely. Didn't you say "If you want to learn how to defend yourself in a bar situation, take up boxing."? Your point seemed to be something like "boxing is more practical self defense", which I think doesn't really play out in the real world, because grappling happens in a bar fight.


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Chazwozel

Tinwhistler;323322][QUOTE=Adammon said:
A boxer loses in a ground grapple and you use this as some kind of comparison?
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Absolutely. Didn't you say "If you want to learn how to defend yourself in a bar situation, take up boxing."? Your point seemed to be something like "boxing is more practical self defense", which I think doesn't really play out in the real world, because grappling happens in a bar fight.[/QUOTE]

Which is why you grab collar and wallop with the other hand. See my hockey fight video. :)


#19



JCM

fade said:
Me? I didn't really offer a reason. I'm confused.

I said "defense followed by a counterattack" because this wouldn't be the first martial art I've studied, and I've come to realize that's something I'm really good at. I'm very good at feigning weakness and openings and enticing a blow, then turning it against my opponent.

I just want to learn a new one because I like the idea.
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Karate or Taekwondo are easy for beginners, Muay Thai or Krav Maga if you want to kill someone or Judo if you just want to defend yourself better.

Just avoid Jujitsu.


#20

tegid

tegid

But those don't go with the idea of avoid and counter attack, man.


#21



JCM

Actually, they do, Karate and Taekwondo are considered "No first attack" martial arts, you never hit first, specially Karate with its “Karate ni sente nashi” or “There is no first attack in karate” and almost all attacks starting with a block. Taekwondo is also based on blocking and avoiding, however there is "attacking on the enemy's preparation to attack."

They arent great should you only know them and get in an MMA ring, but they are great for basic defense for beginners.

Muay Thai has kids hitting their legs and arms with bottles to harden them against blows, and a Muay Thai kickboxer is pretty much a master at absorbing blows before taking the opponent out with a blow or two. Krav Maga was originally taught and created for the Israeli armed forces, and advanced training had you surrounded by a circle of other students trying to beat you, and you need to take them out.

They are great for killing or disabling someone who tries to punch you.

Judo is great for defense and immobilizing.

Believe me, they were all created mainly on the "idea of avoid and counter attack".


#22

gargoyle_eva

gargoyle_eva

Attack and counter attack is the basis of Shotokan Karate. Block punch is the most used combination in all of our tournaments. In my first year of training I swear all we did was block punch....and the year after that...and after that....and the next one. WHEN OH WHEN WILL I LEARN SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!!!!

Sarcasm aside, most martial arts are about stopping your enimies attack and then counter attacking. In all reality it doesn't really matter what style you choose, It's more about the club you join. Make sure the main focus is teaching martial arts not making money. Shop around different schools and find one you are comfortable with and has a good style of teaching. I would rather travel 20 mins before training and get a good lesson were I am helped out when I need it than 5 mins at a school that makes me pay 6 months in advance and ignores me to focus on the advance students.


#23

Enresshou

Enresshou

gargoyle_eva said:
Attack and counter attack is the basis of Shotokan Karate. Block punch is the most used combination in all of our tournaments. In my first year of training I swear all we did was block punch....and the year after that...and after that....and the next one. WHEN OH WHEN WILL I LEARN SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!!!!

Sarcasm aside, most martial arts are about stopping your enimies attack and then counter attacking. In all reality it doesn't really matter what style you choose, It's more about the club you join. Make sure the main focus is teaching martial arts not making money. Shop around different schools and find one you are comfortable with and has a good style of teaching. I would rather travel 20 mins before training and get a good lesson were I am helped out when I need it than 5 mins at a school that makes me pay 6 months in advance and ignores me to focus on the advance students.
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I agree with this statement.

Although your original post was a little vague, I might be able to help a bit. From what your second post said, I'd guess you're a smaller (not necessarily height, but bulk), faster guy, in which case I'd recommend any Northern style of Kung Fu. I would avoid Wushu, though, since it tends to be more 'flowery' and more of a dance than practical self-defense (I've taken it in conjunction with another style; it's fun, good exercise/flexibility training, but not very useful in a fight). San Shou was also a lot of fun to take, since it gave us some grappling/takedown moves.

JCM mentioned Muay Thai, and I would wholeheartedly recommend this. It's very brutal and effective, and you learn to use knees and elbows (I remember the show Fight Science demonstrating that the most powerful kick was a flying knee from a Muay Thai practitioner, which reached forces seen in a 25-30 mph car crash). It emphasizes defense, but at the expense of forcing you to toughen up so you can take a lot of punishment. LOVED it, though.

As for karate, which style depends on what you want ot learn; but since shotokan was already covered, you might like Kenpo karate. The style we were taught was the Americanized one (I think; it's been five or six years since I read that somewhere), but it was geared towards streetfighting and getting you out of a situation as quickly and effectively as possible. I particularly liked that they taught us about eight or nine ways to combo into breaking someone's arm.

All in all, though, it depends on your personality. I liked a mix of Kung Fu (because I like the emphasis on 'the circle', and more fluid/flowing styles since I'm naturally fast and take advantage of shunting, rather than blocking, opponent's blows) with Muay Thai (relatively thin, elbows and knees are awesome to use, and I liked the sparring); others have sworn by Tae Kwon Do and Karate. Try going to a few lessons of each, see what you like, and make a decision based on both the quality of the gym and your perception of the style.


#24

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Adammon;323319][QUOTE=Tinwhistler said:

boxing versus a real martial art ;)

Boxer is 2 inches taller, 10 pounds heavier, and 5 years younger. In the boxing ring, he won 35 (28 by knockout) and lost 9. He started boxing when he was 8.

Guess who wins? :)
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Yeah, a Muay Thai guy wouldn't fair any better. Any ground based fight is going to wreck a striker without takedown defense.


#25

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I've also heard Tai Chi Chaun is good for defensive fighting, but you might be hard pressed to find a studio that actually practices it as the martial art and not simply a place to practice the slow forms to improve health, at least in most of the US.


#26



Deschain

Your best defense would be being armed with a dependable gun in a IWB holster but if you live in a state where that is not allowed or otherwise can't have access to one, MMA style fighting would be useful to learn.


#27

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

Martial arts are great for exercise. Plain ole' street fighting suits me best though.


#28

Cajungal

Cajungal

Bill Cosby said that all you really need is the shout.


#29



Kitty Sinatra

"HEY HEY HEY! IT'S FAT ALBERT"

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(but actually, I remember that Cosby routine)


#30

Cajungal

Cajungal

:laugh:


#31



Deschain

Although if you're not looking for self-defense and instead for a nice relaxing sport, I second Tai Chi.


#32

bhamv3

bhamv3

Given how you have fencing training, I wanted to suggest Kendo. It's about as unpractical as you can get, in terms of real combat effectiveness, but at least you get to hit people with bamboo sticks.


#33

PatrThom

PatrThom

My experience is limited only to Taekwondo and Isshin-ryu, and of the two I preferred the second. I found Taekwondo too leggy. I realize that leg attacks are very powerful, but a) I didn't get a car for a really long time (which means my legs are disproportionately beefy) and b) I just didn't find it as ... elegant.

--Patrick


#34



JCM

mr_thehun said:
This is a picture of the guy who taught me Kail http://www.maelstromcore.com/images/FireSword/Framed_w250.jpg

so...

I love martial arts. I started training when I was 5 in kiddy tae kwon do and then when I was 13 I lived in Japan for a year and fell in love with Karate (actually I fell in love with a girl but that's a story for another forum) after that I studied Isshin Ryu Karate until I got my black belt. My first and second years of university (Don't tell my parents) were spent

mon - fri 6:00 am - 9:00 am Aikido 9:00 - 12 school 12-1 lunch 2-4 gym 4 pm - 6pm Phillipino stick and knife fighting 6-7:30 traditional jiu jutsu 7:30 - 10 Capoeira

yeah... I spent more money and time training martial arts... my parents were pissed when they found out I almost failed my first year...

If you're looking for a counter attack type martial art I recommend Escrima/ Kali or phillipino stick and knife fighting. the idea of it is, blocking is attacking. if you're in the Vancouver area I highly recommend www.maelstromcore.com under Guro Loki Jorgenson. This place is amazing if you want to learn martial arts but also if you want to talk to intelligent people. Loki has a PhD in Physics and his main instructors have PhDs in Psychology, Computer Science and Cognitive Science. They also happen to practice full contact sparring with minimal protection. They also teach Made Muda Silat, Krabi Krabong (Muay Thai with swords) and is located in the basement of the Capoeira studio on Broadway.

However, Kali is a brutal martial art. You are learning either to stab someone to death or else beat them to a bloody pulp with a stick. Actually, not necessarily one of those two either. It teaches to fight with something, anything in your hand because you can get over that mental barrier of hurting yourself when you strike somone. Cellphones (older cellphones) textbooks, pens, chopsticks, forks, spoons, graphing calculators, are all items that you can use in your self defense. Hell, we spent an entire period (3 months) on improvised weapons. These were guys that wore headscarfs (bandanas?) with weights sewn into the ends so that they could be used as an effective flail or garrot. During my time there I learned a good amount about different knife types, and how to bring out a folding pocket knife quicker than a switch blade.

Aikido: I really like this martial art especially if you're at all familiar with Japanese swordplay you can see where a lot of the inspiration comes from. If your searching for a martial art that teaches you how to be at peace than this is it for you. If your in BC the UBC morning dojo is vary good. I lived an hour away from campus so I had to get up freaking early, but it was nice to start the morning with some light exercise and meditation. (he also had tea available)

Karate: I loved Isshin Ryu Karate. It was practical and quick to learn. Vary little flashiness involved. Although it does seem that there is a lot of variety in this style. Unfortuneatly my sensei passed away and I ddin't have a chance to say goodbye because I was \"too busy\". I kick myself constantly for failing to take the chance to say goodbye when I could. The head of Isshinryu (Advinucula) was trained in Kali/ Escrima/ Phillipino stick and knife fighting from when he was a young child by army scouts. He served in the marine core during the Vietnam war and is one of the coolest people I ever met. When I was 16 and he was in his late 70's he was able to outrun, out pushup, and able to hang from a bar by his toes upside down, than anyone else in the dojo.

Capoeira: not the most practical martial art for fighting but definately practical for life. If you want to learn to move in ways you never realized you could and have your spirit touched I would recommend this martial art. and again if your in the Vancouver area I highly recommend Mestre Jessus. Yep Jessus will uplift your spirit.

Jiu Jutsu: I really liked Jiu Jutsu. The style that I learned was Takonochi ryu jiu jutsu (sp?) traditional jiu jutsu that had the mentality that if you could have something hard and pointy and heavy in your hands while your grappling (or a piece of string, a chopstick you know something) you were better off than empty handed. It was an effective martial art that taught how to kill not how to submit. Sensei Alex at the UBC dojo (the only on e of this kind in Canada) is a lawyer and fluent in Japanese, he has been featured in Black belt magazine on multiple occasions. There is vary little gay about jiu jutsu though I have to admit I did lose a sparring match because someone started tickling me.

Personally I dislike

Taekwon do because it is too flashy while still being too stiff,

Most north American Tai Chi because they do it 1) too fast without it being smooth and flowing. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. 2) you ask most tai chi practitioners in north america what the movements mean and they say \"I don't really know\" you ask the people here and they introduce you to the floor.

Most Karate isn't taught properly and the kata are also not taught properly. A kata IS a useful training tool but their main purpose is not solo practice. You trian kata by yourself if you don't have a partner available. You should be able to take apart every aspect of a kata and know its applications and you should be able to understand why it is put together that way and bring it into free form sparring. You start off with a vary clear 1, 2 tempo of attack and defend and break this up as you advance until it is attack defend defend attack attack attack. etc etc etc

Most karate doesn't teach proper foot work or proper timing and for fooks sakes people stop hopping. Seriously I hate hate hate it when I see two people \"sparring\" at each other while hopping like rabbits. point sparring is one of the worst things to happen in martial arts.

The way that Kali spars is: there is no winner, there is no loser, there is no referee and there are no rules accept for the ones you and your partner agree to at the beginning. The fight does not end until someone taps out. I used to come home covered in stick hickeys and I loved it. I never learned as much as the times when I was getting wailed on by someone better than me.



I would just like to say:
Boxing is not an effective self defense in a fight outside of a boxing match. It is a sport and boxers have been trained to follow rules and fight fair. Kali you learn to fight dirty with the idea that there is no cheating only better strategy.

Many boxers are not accustomed to getting kicked in the legs or going into grapple. If they ARE used to these things they are not pure boxers. Furthermore most boxers don't condition ther hands to hit something without their gloves on. My knuckles protrude from my hands in sharp points from years striking the Makiwara.

However; Boxing mixed with other things is absolutely beautiful. One of the Kali Instructors at Maelstrom ran their own boxing club on the side and they were great for sparring.

In Kali, if you are fighting with a stick you DO NOT forget about your other limbs. You hit with the stick in your right hand and as you re chamber you poke them in the eye, punch, kick, elbow, spit them with your left hand or whatever else you decide to use. The idea was attack attack attack attack attack oh look my attack was a block, who knew? an attack called a V CUT was a cut going at either the two collar bones or the sides of the neck depending on if your using a machete or a stick, the defense for a V cut was an off beat V cut to the wrists. Similarly an Arrow cut was a cut to the inner thighs or the kneecaps (again difference between blade and stick) and the best defense for an arrow cut was an offbeat arrow cut.

Actually, the real defense of Kali was the idea to never stop moving your body and properly angling it to your training dummy.

Honestly I can not stop emphasizing the beauty of Kali. It was brutally simple. I miss it, if anyone knows where I can find a Kali club in Beijing I would love you forever.

Sorry, I'm ranting and raving now.....
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Reading up on Kali (Eskrima) sounds like Krav Maga for edged weapons, seems like an armed-only version of hat I used to learn back in Malaysia-

The first part- Pencak, was learning how to defend yourself from all sorts of situations, including close-range opponents with rifles (it was used by Indonesian and Malay resistance fighters against armed colonists.
The second part (sometimes taught alone) Silat- is pretty offense based with the intention to kill or cripple, and silat's hand and foot techniques can be done with weapons to boot.

Funnily, capoeira here in Brazil rose under the same circumstances, the dancey movements were created so that it would confuse enemy fighters, and also so that the slaves could train while their white owners would think it was just a dance.

Its very defensive, and after a Muay Thai fighter's kick the thing I fear the most is a copoeirista's sweeping round kick, and capoeira also has the advantage of turning you into a beast on any disco/dance floor.


#35

fade

fade

I did find a local muay thai trainer, but I have no way of judging how good he/they is/are.

http://www.pmatc.com/muay-thai

I watched some muay thai on YouTube. It may be very effective, but it sure is ugly. After all, I'm not necessarily interested in killing my opponent. Mostly I'm interested in having fun.

I also researched Krav Maga, and the loose consensus amongst martial arts practitioners seems to be that it's a load of common sense. I have no basis to judge that, but it did come up again and again.


#36

Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler

JCM said:
Its very defensive, and after a Muay Thai fighter's kick the thing I fear the most is a copoeirista's sweeping round kick, and capoeira also has the advantage of turning you into a beast on any disco/dance floor.
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I've seen that kick in an mma fight...brutal.


Main problem I have with capoeira is that all that dancing (ginga) can wear you out if you lack the physical shape to maintain it and you don't take your opponent out quickly enough.


#37

Adam

Adammon

Tinwhistler;323848][QUOTE=JCM said:
Its very defensive, and after a Muay Thai fighter's kick the thing I fear the most is a copoeirista's sweeping round kick, and capoeira also has the advantage of turning you into a beast on any disco/dance floor.
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I've seen that kick in an mma fight...brutal.


Main problem I have with capoeira is that all that dancing (ginga) can wear you out if you lack the physical shape to maintain it and you don't take your opponent out quickly enough.
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That was a nice dance. Was it supposed to be a fight? It's like watching Michida.


#38



JCM

Tinwhistler said:
Main problem I have with capoeira is that all that dancing (ginga) can wear you out if you lack the physical shape to maintain it and you don't take your opponent out quickly enough.
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True, one of the reasons I gave up on it.

This weakness is a bit like Muay Thai, you can only absorb a number of blows to the side/ arms and foreleg (no matter how hardened you are) it'll start hurting, which is why a Capoerista and Muay Thai fighter depend on kicks and blows made to end the fight quickly.

Adammon said:
That was a nice dance. Was it supposed to be a fight? It's like watching Michida.
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Thats the beauty of Capoeira.

Watching 2 Capoeiristas sparing is like watching two people dance, however the momentum from the spins make that $%$# kick something that few martial arts can match.


#39

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Capoeira is neat and very fun to watch but it's not exactly the most practical martial art.


#40



JCM

Its terribly impractical, and for out-of-shape people and beginners who prefer to do stances all day long, its useless, I have had a many brazilians who grew up with Karate and Judo give up on it, as it forces you to approach a fight in a different way, and also to strike the first blow.

Other than that, its pretty much like Muay Thai, a damn deadly martial, that you know, every Brazilian UFC champion knows and was used by slaves to beat up men with guns and swords.


#41

Tinwhistler

Tinwhistler

Frankie said:
Yeah, a Muay Thai guy wouldn't fair any better. Any ground based fight is going to wreck a striker without takedown defense.
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I couldn't find a video of it, but back when Dan Severn (wrestler) took on Anthony Macias in UFC 4, this was the exact case. Macias hit Severn in the nose (and looked like he broke it) as Severn shot the hips..but Severn managed to get his hands on him anyway. And then it was all over.


#42

Frank

Frankie Williamson

JCM said:
Its terribly impractical, and for out-of-shape people and beginners who prefer to do stances all day long, its useless, I have had a many brazilians who grew up with Karate and Judo give up on it, as it forces you to approach a fight in a different way, and also to strike the first blow.

Other than that, its pretty much like Muay Thai, a damn deadly martial, that you know, every Brazilian UFC champion knows and was used by slaves to beat up men with guns and swords.
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I don't think there's ever been anyone in the UFC use Capoeira. Most use BJJ, the rest using Muay Thai with Lyoto Machida being pretty much the exception with his exceptional adaptation of Shotokan Karate for MMA. The Nog brothers are excellent boxers too but they've always been known for their BJJ more than their hands (well, Big Nog anyway).

Apparently Shogun has trained some Capoeria but he's never really used it in a fight outside of a wild spinning kick in a fight with Ricardo Arona in Pride that didn't connect.


#43

Adam

Adammon

Frankie said:
I don't think there's ever been anyone in the UFC use Capoeira. Most use BJJ, the rest using Muay Thai with Lyoto Machida being pretty much the exception with his exceptional adaptation of Shotokan Karate for MMA. .
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Machida makes for a boring fight though.


#44

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Adammon;324022][QUOTE=Frankie said:
I don't think there's ever been anyone in the UFC use Capoeira. Most use BJJ, the rest using Muay Thai with Lyoto Machida being pretty much the exception with his exceptional adaptation of Shotokan Karate for MMA. .
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Machida makes for a boring fight though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he's excellent at backpedaling, which worked for him really well.


#45

Frank

Frankie Williamson



ha ha! Here we go. He goes for a big Capoeiraish spinning kick right off the bat pretty much but then switches right into the BJJ and MT that Shootobox was known for.

Not gonna lie, I frigging miss Pride and it's whacky fun with it's headstomps and lack of steroid testing.

Final Conflict 2005 was an amazing show.


#46

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Tinwhistler;324011][QUOTE=Frankie said:
Yeah, a Muay Thai guy wouldn't fair any better. Any ground based fight is going to wreck a striker without takedown defense.
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I couldn't find a video of it, but back when Dan Severn (wrestler) took on Anthony Macias in UFC 4, this was the exact case. Macias hit Severn in the nose (and looked like he broke it) as Severn shot the hips..but Severn managed to get his hands on him anyway. And then it was all over.[/QUOTE]

Good old Dan the Beast. I'm not even going to look at his fight finder right now to know he probably fought 1200 times in 2009. The old guy is the single most active MMA fighter out there still.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dan-Severn-52

AH shit, only 3 times. Still, he's 55 years old and he's God damn 91-16-7. There is something extraordinarily respectable about that.


#47



JCM

Frankie said:
Yeah, a Muay Thai guy wouldn't fair any better. Any ground based fight is going to wreck a striker without takedown defense.
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However the thing with UFC ground-based battling =/= real life fights. A guy wanting to beat you might want to immobilize you (if he's into jujitsu/judo/etc), but most fights you'll have in your life outside martial arts practice will be different from the stuff you see in the ring.

I'd love to see a fighting ring ala the ones in Japan/Thailand where its a free-for-all, without rules, because judging Muay Thai from mixed-martial arts rings with rules is like judging a sniper in a short range pistol fight. Heck take even Karate alone, when put in the ring, is pretty useless, I remember well a funny MMA fight where some karate black belt, karate suit and all, tried to pull off the typical karate sparring moves.

He lost.
I don't think there's ever been anyone in the UFC use Capoeira. Most use BJJ, the rest using Muay Thai with Lyoto Machida being pretty much the exception with his exceptional adaptation of Shotokan Karate for MMA. The Nog brothers are excellent boxers too but they've always been known for their BJJ more than their hands (well, Big Nog anyway).
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Thats the biggest misconception about capoeira. Capoeiristas doesnt require the dance, the dance was created to hide the fact they are training moves, give kicks force to kill and facilitates one's remembering them all, all which arent used in the ring. To say that UFC (which started out here in Brazil with vale-tudo, where capoeira is something most fighters know) doesnt have anyone using capoeira because one doesnt see the dance, is akin to saying there's no *insert martial art* because you didnt see them bow/do the little yell.

Capoeria =/= only dance and round kicks
MMA oh MMA I really like MMA but the UFC you see now is kinda boring. I liked it more when there were less rules.
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Same here.


#48

fade

fade

JCM said:
I'd love to see a fighting ring ala the ones in Japan/Thailand where its a free-for-all, without rules, because judging Muay Thai from mixed-martial arts rings with rules is like judging a sniper in a short range pistol fight. Heck take even Karate alone, when put in the ring, is pretty useless, I remember well a funny MMA fight where some karate black belt, karate suit and all, tried to pull off the typical karate sparring moves.
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#49



JCM

Not the one I wanted, but here's another example of shoving a Karateka with no other martial arts in a MMA ring and its rules-


Now here's the same karateka in the ring, after 15 years, fighting MMA style and winning-


#50



Chazwozel

You're all fucking idiots. The best martial art:

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#51



JCM

I wonder how Chuck Norris would fare in UFC.....


#52

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You'll never know, because the moment he signs up, everyone else will automatically lose.


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tegid

tegid

Well that's the answer there, innit?


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