Martial arts question
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I've seen that kick in an mma fight...brutal.
Main problem I have with capoeira is that all that dancing (ginga) can wear you out if you lack the physical shape to maintain it and you don't take your opponent out quickly enough.
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That was a nice dance. Was it supposed to be a fight? It's like watching Michida.
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True, one of the reasons I gave up on it.
This weakness is a bit like Muay Thai, you can only absorb a number of blows to the side/ arms and foreleg (no matter how hardened you are) it'll start hurting, which is why a Capoerista and Muay Thai fighter depend on kicks and blows made to end the fight quickly.
Thats the beauty of Capoeira.
Watching 2 Capoeiristas sparing is like watching two people dance, however the momentum from the spins make that $%$# kick something that few martial arts can match.
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Its terribly impractical, and for out-of-shape people and beginners who prefer to do stances all day long, its useless, I have had a many brazilians who grew up with Karate and Judo give up on it, as it forces you to approach a fight in a different way, and also to strike the first blow.
Other than that, its pretty much like Muay Thai, a damn deadly martial, that you know, every Brazilian UFC champion knows and was used by slaves to beat up men with guns and swords.
Other than that, its pretty much like Muay Thai, a damn deadly martial, that you know, every Brazilian UFC champion knows and was used by slaves to beat up men with guns and swords.
I couldn't find a video of it, but back when Dan Severn (wrestler) took on Anthony Macias in UFC 4, this was the exact case. Macias hit Severn in the nose (and looked like he broke it) as Severn shot the hips..but Severn managed to get his hands on him anyway. And then it was all over.
I don't think there's ever been anyone in the UFC use Capoeira. Most use BJJ, the rest using Muay Thai with Lyoto Machida being pretty much the exception with his exceptional adaptation of Shotokan Karate for MMA. The Nog brothers are excellent boxers too but they've always been known for their BJJ more than their hands (well, Big Nog anyway).
Apparently Shogun has trained some Capoeria but he's never really used it in a fight outside of a wild spinning kick in a fight with Ricardo Arona in Pride that didn't connect.
Machida makes for a boring fight though.
Machida makes for a boring fight though.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he's excellent at backpedaling, which worked for him really well.
ha ha! Here we go. He goes for a big Capoeiraish spinning kick right off the bat pretty much but then switches right into the BJJ and MT that Shootobox was known for.
Not gonna lie, I frigging miss Pride and it's whacky fun with it's headstomps and lack of steroid testing.
Final Conflict 2005 was an amazing show.
I couldn't find a video of it, but back when Dan Severn (wrestler) took on Anthony Macias in UFC 4, this was the exact case. Macias hit Severn in the nose (and looked like he broke it) as Severn shot the hips..but Severn managed to get his hands on him anyway. And then it was all over.[/QUOTE]
Good old Dan the Beast. I'm not even going to look at his fight finder right now to know he probably fought 1200 times in 2009. The old guy is the single most active MMA fighter out there still.
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Dan-Severn-52
AH shit, only 3 times. Still, he's 55 years old and he's God damn 91-16-7. There is something extraordinarily respectable about that.
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However the thing with UFC ground-based battling =/= real life fights. A guy wanting to beat you might want to immobilize you (if he's into jujitsu/judo/etc), but most fights you'll have in your life outside martial arts practice will be different from the stuff you see in the ring.
I'd love to see a fighting ring ala the ones in Japan/Thailand where its a free-for-all, without rules, because judging Muay Thai from mixed-martial arts rings with rules is like judging a sniper in a short range pistol fight. Heck take even Karate alone, when put in the ring, is pretty useless, I remember well a funny MMA fight where some karate black belt, karate suit and all, tried to pull off the typical karate sparring moves.
He lost.
Thats the biggest misconception about capoeira. Capoeiristas doesnt require the dance, the dance was created to hide the fact they are training moves, give kicks force to kill and facilitates one's remembering them all, all which arent used in the ring. To say that UFC (which started out here in Brazil with vale-tudo, where capoeira is something most fighters know) doesnt have anyone using capoeira because one doesnt see the dance, is akin to saying there's no *insert martial art* because you didnt see them bow/do the little yell.
Capoeria =/= only dance and round kicks
Same here.
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Not the one I wanted, but here's another example of shoving a Karateka with no other martial arts in a MMA ring and its rules-
Now here's the same karateka in the ring, after 15 years, fighting MMA style and winning-
Now here's the same karateka in the ring, after 15 years, fighting MMA style and winning-
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I wonder how Chuck Norris would fare in UFC.....
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