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So, a good while ago my 360 melted. It was just outside of the replace for free window (which was my own fault since I played it less and less due to the noises it was making before it finally died). I decided I would not buy another, because I am done rewarding companies for shitty, faulty hardware.

Anyways, a friend of mine gave me his old 360 since he now has 3. He won one in a contest as well as got one from Telus for signing up for some shit or other. So, he gave one of the new ones to his girlfriend and the old one to me.

I've had this thing for about a week. It red ringed. It's also outside of the 3 year period.

Sigh.

A decently hardware modified Xbox360 (heat sinks + new fans) will run for years, all day, every day, with zero problems. But yeah, Microsoft out of the box? Crap. It's always been that way though. Even with most of their software.

Jiarn said:

A decently hardware modified Xbox360 (heat sinks + new fans) will run for years, all day, every day, with zero problems.

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That seems like exactly what you shouldn't have to do to get it to run well.

They are too busy buying Skype and ruining it than making sure their shit works.

Dave said:

They are too busy buying Skype and ruining it than making sure their shit works.

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I just saw that news article, and thought that was actually what this thread would be about.

So...there goes the Linux Skype client. And the Mac one. And the Windows one will probably get IE9 integration or some crap. Whee.

--Patrick

PatrThom said:

I just saw that news article, and thought that was actually what this thread would be about.

So...there goes the Linux Skype client. And the Mac one. And the Windows one will probably get IE9 integration or some crap. Whee.

--Patrick

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Meh, Apple is moving people away from skype anyway with Facetime/iChat. I won't miss Skype if this happens. The fact is Msoft has been kind of flopping around for a bit and seems to desperately need some new blood to wake them up. Buying Skype won't be the thing to do it, but it sounds like the kind of plan a bunch of old guys would come up.

I had a 360 unmodded, right out of the box, last for a bit over four years before it red-ringed. Maybe I got lucky?

As for Skype, no hope for ever getting video skype on my android then?

I tell this many time. I got SIX... SIX units and all six died within 1 year. I had replacement plan and keep getting replace with another unit. I gave up and bought a PS3

Espy said:

That seems like exactly what you shouldn't have to do to get it to run well.

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Agreed, none the less, it's what I've done with excellent results.

I'm told the newer, S Model 360's are much better about Red Ringing. Mainly because they have LOTS more cooling than the previous models. Thankfully, my 360 is one of the S Models.

2 Red Rings for me.... and Skype? Fucken shit now already as it is. No reason to have a client based app take 100 megs for being idle.

1 Red Ring at the end of year 3, got it fixed for free in 2 weeks, and no complaints since.

Frankie Williamson said:

So, a good while ago my 360 melted. It was just outside of the replace for free window

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It red ringed. It's also outside of the 3 year period.

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Call them up and complain loudly. Indicate that just because their stated warranty doesn't go beyond 3 years, the product is obviously defective, and you're likely to complain to the state's attorney general if they don't fix the problem for you. Given that you've run through two of their units, you should be able to get at least one replacement.

You might be surprised, and it's worth trying.

Ugh. You just reminded me of my bully of a problem student, stienman.

MindDetective said:

Ugh. You just reminded me of my bully of a problem student, stienman.

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The best argument ever for why you shouldn't run a school like a corporation.

MindDetective said:

Ugh. You just reminded me of my bully of a problem student, stienman.

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No doubt. If all your students were having the same problem, then one could assume it was the teacher and not the students.

However, assuming that the student is the only one who appears to be affected by the problem they are complaining about, chances are good it's not the teacher, it's the student.

That isn't universally true for education, though, for a variety of reasons. However, for hardware products and mass manufactured goods one can make a very strong case that:

If very few xbox 360's failed, then chances are the problem is more closely tied with the usage rather than the product.

If a lot of them fail, then chances are the problem is more closely tied with the product than the usage.

stienman said:

If very few xbox 360's failed, then chances are the problem is more closely tied with the usage rather than the product.

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Not really, i'd say it's 50-50 between bad usage vs low factory defect rate. Because there's always some that aren't made right.

There's a factory defect, and there's a design defect. I'm not talking about factory defect (ie, individual units that, due to manufacturing defects, will fail earlier than they should). I'm talking about design defects - the fact that any product may fail sooner than it should even if assembled perfectly with good components, where the failure is due to poor design.

Whats % of xboxs fail though?

stienman said:

There's a factory defect, and there's a design defect. I'm not talking about factory defect (ie, individual units that, due to manufacturing defects, will fail earlier than they should). I'm talking about design defects - the fact that any product may fail sooner than it should even if assembled perfectly with good components, where the failure is due to poor design.

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Yes!

Kinda the point though, that's why the stuff i quoted isn't as true as the second part i didn't.

Espy said:

Whats % of xboxs fail though?

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More then that of the other guys... and enough to warrant a redesign.

@Li3n said:

More then that of the other guys... and enough to warrant a redesign.

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Ouch.