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MightyGodKing tears Kurtz a new one.

#1

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2012/05/22/scott-kurtz-is-still-scott-kurtz/

As a big comic book fan, but also a big Jack Kirby fan, I've been greatly on the fence about The Avengers argument. My argument is basically, "They made over $1 billion in a month. Can they not share some of that love to the Kirby estate?"

Anyway, Kurtz recently posted a blog about it, basically shrugging off the whole thing, saying it's not a big deal. MightyGodKing, to put it kindly, tore him a new one. I find it hard to argue with pretty much anything he's saying.

Edit: Argh. The copy and paste job I tried on the full text turned into a wall of text. Just go to the site, I guess. Hopefully, it's not blocked for anybody.​


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SeraRelm

I don't want to break the page with laughing gifs. Consider my intent, and this notification, as the act itself.


#3

strawman

strawman

Yay, another discussion about how creative works can never be sold because creative people are stupid and therefore the law should protect them from greedy publishers!

I'm so excited!



#4

LittleSin

LittleSin

I just always have wondered...did Kirby have a lawyer look anything over before he signed over his works?

If he didn't. wouldn't that be on him for his own short sightedness?

If he did, should his family take it up with the law firm for giving them a crappy deal?


#5

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

They've tried taking Marvel to court on numerous occasions, like the Siegel estate with Superman.

The problem is a few things: one, there was no clearly defined line on who created what. Kirby co-created those characters with Stan Lee, and the upper echelon at the time just said, "Stan is the writer. You just draw his ideas," which is a bold-faced lie. How they created a comic was Kirby and Lee would discuss the basic plot. There might be a basic, draft script, but not always. Kirby would draw it all out and then Stan would write the dialogue.

Two, comics in general are a huge grey area, especially when it comes to artists and writers. Siegel and Shuster sold the rights to Superman at the time because they figured they'd go on to create bigger things. They had no idea the kind of worldwide potential that whomever bought the character from them saw. Kirby's contract was basically work-for-hire, I believe, so it depended on project-to-project.

Three, while he was a brilliant artist and creator, I don't think he had a business mind. He just wanted to create because his head was constantly stuffed with ideas that he just had to get them out or he'd go nuts. He had an insane work rate to the point that his wife, Roz, told a story once. They were moving to a new home. The last thing to go on the truck was Jack's drawing desk because he was working the whole time. And the first thing off the truck when they got there was his desk, which he immediately went right back to work.

So, I think it was a bad combination of a number of factors. Most of them are to blame on the upper echelon at Marvel and Lee didn't say much to stop them. Likely to save his own job. What bothers me most is that Jack Kirby is well-renowned, respected, and revered in the comic book business. But he's not even remotely a household name like Stan Lee, which is the biggest crime, in my opinion. He should get equal claim to greatness and at some monetary exchange to his estate.


#6

LittleSin

LittleSin



Scott Kurtz ‏@pvponline
I won't be on twitter today, guys. I'm boycotting electricity until the Nicola Tesla estate gets the credit and money they're due.

Holly E. Lawrence ‏@LittleSin
@pvponline You realize that Nicola Tesla was celibate, right?


#7

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Kurtz is comfortable in saying stuff like this because he's the only person he's ever worked with for his creations. Except Trenches, I suppose. And wasn't there a print comic series he co-created with someone?

I wonder how he'd feel if someone higher up at Image said, "Ooh, sorry, Kurtz. We're not giving you more money. [Co-creator] came up with and wrote all the ideas. You just drew them. So screw you, we're taking this thing nation-wide and making billions of dollars on characters you designed."


#8



Soliloquy

ThatNickGuy said:
Kurtz is comfortable in saying stuff like this because he's the only person he's ever worked with for his creations. Except Trenches, I suppose. And wasn't there a print comic series he co-created with someone?

I wonder how he'd feel if someone higher up at Image said, "Ooh, sorry, Kurtz. We're not giving you more money. [Co-creator] came up with and wrote all the ideas. You just drew them. So screw you, we're taking this thing nation-wide and making billions of dollars on characters you designed."
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He'd find some way to claim that this situation is completely different from the one he described previously and then come up with nonsensical arguments to back that.


#9

@Li3n

@Li3n

stienman said:
Yay, another discussion about how creative works can never be sold because creative people are stupid and therefore the law should protect them from greedy publishers!
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I believe it's Germany where one can't give up their author rights no matter what...


#10

Mathias

Mathias

Who the hell is Jack Kirby?


#11

phil

phil

Mathias said:
Who the hell is Jack Kirby?
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Kirby?



#12

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Mathias said:
Who the hell is Jack Kirby?
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Basically, have you ever heard of these guys: Thor, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, The Hulk, Ant Man, The Avengers, X-Men, Galactus, Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Captain America, Darkseid, Kamandi, Etrigan the Demon.

Yeah, he only designed all of them and more and co-created them.


#13

LittleSin

LittleSin

Mathias said:
Who the hell is Jack Kirby?
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Oh. Fuck.

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#14

KCWM

KCWM

I wouldn't say that MGK tore him a new one.

If it were anyone but Kurtz, which this place has a huge hate hard on for, it wouldn't even be an issue.


#15

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Who is MightyGodKing?


#16

Mathias

Mathias

ThatNickGuy said:


Basically, have you ever heard of these guys: Thor, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, The Hulk, Ant Man, The Avengers, X-Men, Galactus, Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Captain America, Darkseid, Kamandi, Etrigan the Demon.

Yeah, he only designed all of them and more and co-created them.
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I gotta admit after reading about him on wiki etc... Kurtz is actually right on the money.


#17

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

You're welcome to your own opinion, even when it's dreadfully and totally wrong.


#18

strawman

strawman

Kirby's estate is mad that Lee won and he didn't.

Marvel realized after lee won that it's cheaper to fight the lawsuit forever than it is to settle, for any percentage of the profits and credit.

Kirby had poor timing is all.


#19

Krisken

Krisken

The only thing I learned from that article was Kurtz is a grown ass man.

And honestly, the only part which really got my dander was the end in the notes where MGK said: "I have honestly lost count of the number of times I have heard variations on this in the last few months. If DC was doing to Neil Gaiman a tenth of what they’re doing to Alan Moore, the nerdrage would measure on the upper end of the Richter scale."

Dude, if Neil Gaiman was 1/10 of the dickbag Alan Moore is, he wouldn't have all the support and nerd rage from the community. Neil Gaiman is a fucking saint during book signings. As a friend said to me once "I met Neil at a book signing and he was a really nice guy, after 2 hours of signing books. If you are a nice guy after all that, you are genuinely a nice guy."


#20

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

ThatNickGuy said:
My argument is basically, "They made over $1 billion in a month. Can they not share some of that love to the Kirby estate?"
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How much of the losses would they be willing to assume if it was a flop?


#21

Krisken

Krisken

HCGLNS said:
How much of the losses would they be willing to assume if it was a flop?
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That's investing, not intellectual property.


#22

Mathias

Mathias

Krisken said:
The only thing I learned from that article was Kurtz is a grown ass man.

And honestly, the only part which really got my dander was the end in the notes where MGK said: "I have honestly lost count of the number of times I have heard variations on this in the last few months. If DC was doing to Neil Gaiman a tenth of what they’re doing to Alan Moore, the nerdrage would measure on the upper end of the Richter scale."

Dude, if Neil Gaiman was 1/10 of the dickbag Alan Moore is, he wouldn't have all the support and nerd rage from the community. Neil Gaiman is a fucking saint during book signings. As a friend said to me once "I met Neil at a book signing and he was a really nice guy, after 2 hours of signing books. If you are a nice guy after all that, you are genuinely a nice guy."
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He could always refuse to shake hands like Kurt, and blame his disgusting, filth ridden fans for contracting con crud (like Kurt)


#23

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

That's the other thing: Jack Kirby was a saint, as well. When he did signings (which at the time was still just becoming a thing), he would stay long after he was scheduled because he wanted to make sure every fan got to see him. Doesn't a good, hard-working guy like that deserve some compensation and public acknowledgement?


#24

ElJuski

ElJuski

Neil Gaiman is fucking awesome. I felt so bad for him when we got the pre-signed copies of The Graveyard Book; he had broken his hand sometime earlier, so he didn't do the signings in real-time. Guy also answered my question during the Q and A portion! IT WAS AWESOME


#25

Frank

Frank

ThatNickGuy said:
That's the other thing: Jack Kirby was a saint, as well. When he did signings (which at the time was still just becoming a thing), he would stay long after he was scheduled because he wanted to make sure every fan got to see him. Doesn't a good, hard-working guy like that deserve some compensation and public acknowledgement?
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He did, but he's dead.


#26

Mathias

Mathias

ThatNickGuy said:
That's the other thing: Jack Kirby was a saint, as well. When he did signings (which at the time was still just becoming a thing), he would stay long after he was scheduled because he wanted to make sure every fan got to see him. Doesn't a good, hard-working guy like that deserve some compensation and public acknowledgement?
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He's dead, brah.


#27

ElJuski

ElJuski

I would also like to point out the man is dead


#28

strawman

strawman

In case anyone was wondering, the person in question is deceased over 18 years ago. Here's one obit:


Jack Kirby, an artist who helped create the popular comic-book characters Captain America and the Incredible Hulk -- superheroes with human characteristics, for a new generation of readers -- died on Sunday at his home here. He was 76.

The cause was heart failure, said his son, Neal.

Mr. Kirby was one of the artists credited with reinventing superheroes in the late 1950's and early 60's, by portraying them as more human and even vulnerable. Under his influence, comic-book story lines, which had traditionally been short, were expanded, leading to the issue-length format.

"Kirby is to comics what Louis Armstrong is to jazz," said Greg Theakston, who publishes comic books through his New York-based company Pure Imagination. "They were both there at the birth of a new art form and strongly influenced it, even defined what the form was." Born in New York

Mr. Kirby, whose original name was Jacob Kurtzberg, was born in New York City in 1917. He began work in the comics industry in the 1930's. By 1940, he had teamed up with Joe Simon, his partner for the next 15 years. In 1940, they created Captain America, and in 1942 they produced the "Boy Commandos" comics. That story, about young soldiers, sold a million copies per issue, Mr. Theakston said.

After World War II, Mr. Kirby and Mr. Simon teamed again to create popular-romance comics. "Jack's style was dynamic," Mr. Simon said. "He brought the action drawing to a new level. His style was imitated all over and still is today to a certain extent."

In 1958, Mr. Kirby went to work for Marvel Comics, where he collaborated with the dialogue writer and editor Stan Lee. They created such characters as Mighty Thor and the Incredible Hulk.

In the early 1970's, he began work on a long series for DC Comics and drew for "Mister Miracle," "New Gods" and "Jimmy Olsen."

After another stint with Marvel, he helped design animated films, including "Thundarr the Barbarian" and the "Fantastic Four" television series. His last full comic book appeared in 1986.

In addition to his son, he is survived by his wife, Rosalind; three daughters, Barbara, Lisa and Susan, and two grandchildren.
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#29

bhamv3

bhamv3

ThatNickGuy said:
Basically, have you ever heard of these guys: Fantastic Four
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Kirby was responsible for those two crappy movies? GAH!!


#30

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Dead or not, the general public gives Stan Lee all credit for creating Marvel when it's undeniably untrue. Lee certainly deserves some credit, but it just always bothered me that Kirby isn't as well known and revered outside of the comic book industry.


#31

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Ninja'd
I liked those movies :(


Nick, no one inside the comic book industry is well known outside the comic industry


#32

Mathias

Mathias

ThatNickGuy said:
Dead or not, the general public gives Stan Lee all credit for creating Marvel when it's undeniably untrue. Lee certainly deserves some credit, but it just always bothered me that Kirby isn't as well known and revered outside of the comic book industry.
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Because Stan Lee's the man.

It's no different than all the Steve Jobs is Apple bullcrap. Same deal with Tomas Edison. These guys all knew how to make sure they made a shit ton of money off their ideas. Jonathan Ive and Nikoli Tesla were their screwed over counter parts. They just didn't have the cult of personality like the aforementioned. And that's what gets you the popularity vote, and ultimately the credit for catching lighting in a bottle.

Kurt is right, shit's in the past and there are things in place to prevent a business novice from getting screwed. Time to move on.

Looks to me like Kirby is to comics what Edwin Drake was to oil.


#33

Mathias

Mathias

ThatNickGuy said:
Basically, have you ever heard of these guys: Thor, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, The Hulk, Ant Man, The Avengers, X-Men, Galactus, Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Captain America, Darkseid, Kamandi, Etrigan the Demon.

Yeah, he only designed all of them and more and co-created them.
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I forgot to mention that you lost me after Captain America. Who the hell is Ant Man?


#34

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Mathias said:
I forgot to mention that you lost me after Captain America. Who the hell is Ant Man?
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The guy banging the Wasp.


#35

Mathias

Mathias

HCGLNS said:
The guy banging the Wasp.
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bazinga!


#36

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Mathias said:
I forgot to mention that you lost me after Captain America. Who the hell is Ant Man?
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Yeah, some aren't household names, but the majority of them are, yes?

But you're right that it's in the past. It doesn't make it any less right for anyone who got screwed over, though.


#37

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Take away the movies and tv shows and no they are not household names. My wife only recognized 9 of them.


#38

Mathias

Mathias

ThatNickGuy said:
Yeah, some aren't household names, but the majority of them are, yes?

But you're right that it's in the past. It doesn't make it any less right for anyone who got screwed over, though.
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Oh I get that, it's not right. But the dude is dead. He's not exactly going to hire a PR rep to gain back his popularity.

As far as his estate is concerned, I'm sorry to say, but he should have handled his contracts better. Look at Tolkien's estate. Those bastards are tighter than a snare drum about releasing the rights to his work.


#39

Mathias

Mathias

Thor, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, The Hulk, , X-Men, Galactus, Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, Black Panther, Captain America,.


These are the only ones I've ever heard up growing up. All through TV shows and pop culture. Actually, I only knew of the X-Men, Iron Man, and Hulk growing up. My shit was all about He-Man, Ghostbusters, and TMNT. Fantastic Four etc... I only learned about through the internet in my late teens.

To be brutally honest, all I know about the X Men and Spider-Man is from the cartoons and movies.


#40

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

Me "Do you know who Jack Kirby is?"
Wife "No."
Me "Do you know who Stan Lee is?"
Wife "Yeah he's the guy that they talk about on Big Bang. He did a comic book or something."


#41

bhamv3

bhamv3

Hey Nick, I'm wondering, what if Marvel didn't give Kirby's estate more money, but rather gave Kirby more recognition? For example, Stan Lee gets a cameo in every Marvel superhero movie, what if they dropped Kirby's name somehow in every movie? Stark is assisted in Iron Man 3 by General Kirby. Avengers 2 involves Agent Kirbivsky, a shadowy operative from Natasha Romanov's past.

Would more recognition, without the financial stuff, make you feel better?


#42

Frank

Frank

Mathias said:
To be brutally honest, all I know about the X Men and Spider-Man is from the cartoons and movies.
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More often than not, that's for the best.


#43

Mathias

Mathias

Frank said:
More often than not, that's for the best.
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I agree those X men cartoons didn't have the fucked up soap opera crap associated with the comic books.


#44

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

bhamv3 said:
Hey Nick, I'm wondering, what if Marvel didn't give Kirby's estate more money, but rather gave Kirby more recognition? For example, Stan Lee gets a cameo in every Marvel superhero movie, what if they dropped Kirby's name somehow in every movie? Stark is assisted in Iron Man 3 by General Kirby. Avengers 2 involves Agent Kirbivsky, a shadowy operative from Natasha Romanov's past.

Would more recognition, without the financial stuff, make you feel better?
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Eh, I don't know. That's not the kind of recognition I mean. Everyone gets excited to see Stan Lee because it's Stan Lee. I honestly don't know what could be done to give him more public recognition save for Lee name-dropping him (and a few others, like Steve Ditko) in every interview.


#45

bhamv3

bhamv3

ThatNickGuy said:
Eh, I don't know. That's not the kind of recognition I mean. Everyone gets excited to see Stan Lee because it's Stan Lee. I honestly don't know what could be done to give him more public recognition save for Lee name-dropping him (and a few others, like Steve Ditko) in every interview.
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Well, okay, yeah, that might not be the best example. But given how recognition basically costs Marvel nothing, I think it's less of an uphill battle to try to get Marvel to acknowledge Kirby's contributions and his role in Marvel superhero history, compared to trying to get a piece of the monetary pie.


#46

Shakey

Shakey

Some guy who did work for a company didn't get recognition. :cry:

Welcome to the real world?


#47

Shakey

Shakey

Sure, do they have to be good? Cause I got this idea for donkey punch man, but I doubt it will sell well.


#48



Soliloquy

Mathias said:
I agree those X men cartoons didn't have the fucked up soap opera crap associated with the comic books.
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Also? Bitchin' theme song.



#49

Shakey

Shakey

mr_thehun said:
Donkey punch man went on to supplant superman as the most well known super hero of all time. It also was first for two catagories of films.

First movie to gross more than 1 trillion dollars and the first xxx rated movie to have a wide viewing audiance of most demographics but mostly among the 70 - 90 crowd looking for ultra porn.
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Good for them. I never would have had the resources or urge to do all that. I have $50 more than I would have had if I had done nothing with the idea.

I wonder who came up with the start menu, and does that person get royalties from every windows os that is sold. I wonder who decided an X at the upper right of a program would be the best and if they get royalties from every windows os sold. I just don't get the idea that work for a company has to pay royalties to peoples kids when they're dead.


#50



Soliloquy

mr_thehun said:
Donkey punch man went on to supplant superman as the most well known super hero of all time. It also was first for two catagories of films.

First movie to gross more than 1 trillion dollars and the first xxx rated movie to have a wide viewing audiance of most demographics but mostly among the 70 - 90 crowd looking for ultra porn.
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I've got an idea called "The Twig." It's about a twig.


#51



Soliloquy

Fifty bucks! Woo!


#52



SeraRelm

I do feel they should give Kirby the public recognition for his work, but not money for things which were never in his contract, as unfortunate as that may be. When you are paid to do work, you do the work and get paid. If someone else makes money off that work, well, you got paid and agreed to the sum. They took the chance with that money, not you. You took the paycheck.


#53

KCWM

KCWM

I liken it to musicians who are famous for playing on records but the artist that put out the CD gets the money. They are studio musicians who get their cut and walk away. If the song blows up, it's not likely that they are going to be extra compensated. Take, for example, the recent death of Donald "Duck" Dunn. He's a musician who's not well known, but has played on some very iconic music. Some of his work helps make the song recognizable, but his estate isn't going back and saying, "Hey, we want more money for this dude's work so that we can have more coin". Ultimately, it's a money grab.


#54

@Li3n

@Li3n

Mathias said:
Who the hell is Jack Kirby?

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Because Stan Lee's the man.
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And this is the best argument in favour of Marvel losing...


Yeah, Kirby's dead, but that doesn't mean it's fine that Marvel screwed him over... whether or not his estate should get anything is a whole other argument.


#55

Mathias

Mathias

@Li3n said:
And this is the best argument in favour of Marvel losing...


Yeah, Kirby's dead, but that doesn't mean it's fine that Marvel screwed him over... whether or not his estate should get anything is a whole other argument.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't say what Marvel did was ethically correct. I said, it's in the past and it is what it is now. The situation is pretty damn convoluted as to who owns the rights to what. Because Kirby is dead it's hard for his estate to make claims on items not included in his contracts. What he should have done as soon as he started making good money with Marvel was to hire an agent and a lawyer. That's generally what you do if you're in any sort of industry where you work with a company that markets your creations.

I think a big factor in Marvel not acknowledging Kirby in movies etc is because of the Kirby estate itself.


#56

LittleSin

LittleSin

If I was Marvel I'd be terrified of acknowledging Kirby in what can be considered an official manner.

A clever lawyer could take an interview with an exec and use it to not only win money for the family but get the rights to all the characters back.


#57

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

LittleSin said:
If I was Marvel I'd be terrified of acknowledging Kirby in what can be considered an official manner.
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This is exactly what I think.

I think more then anything Kirby needs to be recognized for his work. His name needs to be known. However, by the Kirby estate pushing for a cut of the money made by said characters, they are actually making it hard for Marvel to bring his name out into the spotlight.

A good example was everyone flipping their shit over Jack Kirby supposedly not being credited in the Avengers movie, causing people to go so far as to hound Stan Lee, who had to dance around the issue because he really can't say anything about it without possible causing a legal shitstorm. The next day or so, earlier screenings proved that the movie did have Jack Kirby credited in the credits, so all the arguing was for something that was not even a problem.

I don't know, I am so far out of the situation it's hard for me to really come into it properly.


#58

Covar

Covar

Shakey said:
I wonder who came up with the start menu, and does that person get royalties from every windows os that is sold. I wonder who decided an X at the upper right of a program would be the best and if they get royalties from every windows os sold. I just don't get the idea that work for a company has to pay royalties to peoples kids when they're dead.
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Wes Cherry created Solitare for Windows, the most played computer game of all time. He was an intern.


#59

LittleSin

LittleSin

I am a bit upset, guys.

I'm pretty sure that kurtz responded to my tweet yesterday. I got an e-mail about it but there was no content to it other than a link. I clicked the link the see what he had say only to find the tweet was no longer in existence.

I wanna know what he said!


#60

strawman

strawman

He probably got so much flack for it that he removed it. Whatever it was, you can assume he was suitably chastised for it.

You could see who else tagged their tweets with his name around that time to see if anyone else saw or retweeted it.


#61

Dei

Dei

Soliloquy said:
Also? Bitchin' theme song.

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Well at least with the comic books you didn't need to hear Jubilee's voice. >.>


#62

Steve

Steve

LittleSin said:
If I was Marvel I'd be terrified of acknowledging Kirby in what can be considered an official manner.

A clever lawyer could take an interview with an exec and use it to not only win money for the family but get the rights to all the characters back.
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I thought this as well. Kirby was compensated for a job. If Marvel were to give anything else I could see an attorney taking that as Marvel's acknowledgement of Kirby having partial ownership. Could the writers and artists of following decades follow suit with their creations for Marvel (Wolverine, all those new XMen, Deadpool, etc.)?
Does Marvel or DC give current creators anything more than compensation for work completed? (I don't know which is why I'm asking?)

And not to knock Kirby as his art was fantastic, but there were other artists that could have done just as well. Kirby had no hand in Spiderman and he's one of the most popular and recognizable hero's out there. And Ditko's name is not thrown around like Lee's is. Stan's writing style is really what defined the characters and separated Marvel from DC.


#63

Covar

Covar

Steve said:
Kirby had no hand in Spiderman and he's one of the most popular and recognizable hero's out there.
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Not popular and recognizable enough for people to spell his name right apparently.


#64

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

LittleSin said:
I am a bit upset, guys.

I'm pretty sure that kurtz responded to my tweet yesterday. I got an e-mail about it but there was no content to it other than a link. I clicked the link the see what he had say only to find the tweet was no longer in existence.

I wanna know what he said!
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When I get responses, it tells me the content in the Email. Strange it didn't do that on yours.


#65

LittleSin

LittleSin

Quotemander Prime said:
When I get responses, it tells me the content in the Email. Strange it didn't do that on yours.
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It usually does for me as well. Either it got deleted FAST or twitter is borked.


#66

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

LittleSin said:
It usually does for me as well. Either it got deleted FAST or twitter is borked.
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Maybe it invaded your email.

Also, I agree with Scott. If nothing can make it better, then there's no point wringing one's hands over this.


#67

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

In all seriousness, I was not making a joke earlier. Could some one please tell me who is MightyGodKing?


#68

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

mr_thehun said:
it was a picture of his junk
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No, that's Buckley's M.O.


#69

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

HCGLNS said:
In all seriousness, I was not making a joke earlier. Could some one please tell me who is MightyGodKing?
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Relatively popular blogger in the nerd (well, comic nerd) community. Got his big start to "fame" doing "If I wrote Legion of Super-heroes..." and "If I wrote Dr. Strange..." posts.


#70

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

So he's nobody then. I like Violent Acres, but she doesn't post much. For a while I thought she was Shego.


#71

bhamv3

bhamv3

I've never read his blog before this though, but I wonder why the name sounds familiar to me. He wasn't a poster in one of the incarnations of our forum, was he? Maybe back in the Image or Halfpixel days?

Or maybe I'm confusing him with Superking.


#72

@Li3n

@Li3n

Mathias said:
What he should have done as soon as he started making good money with Marvel was to hire an agent and a lawyer. That's generally what you do if you're in any sort of industry where you work with a company that markets your creations.
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Even with the best lawyer (your dad) you still have to lie about your age, see Bob Kane.


#73

Frank

Frank

Well, Bob Kane's name appears in everything Batman. So, he did a better job of it than Koiby.


#74

@Li3n

@Li3n

Frank said:
Well, Bob Kane's name appears in everything Batman. So, he did a better job of it than Koiby.
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By claiming he was a minor when he signed the contract... also, Bill Finger.


#75

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yeah, there's a reason why people screwed in the comic business are said to be "Fingered."


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SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Not sure what the Avengers-film-$$-Kirby hoopla is all about.

Agreed that he got screwed way back when and decency should include his name in the credits as creator (which it was), but as to the money from the film, neither he nor his estate had anything to do with assuming the financial risk, hiring people, creative decisions, marketing decisions, logistics, writing, acting, or otherwise producing the film, and they didn't have a royalties contract for film reproductions as far as anyone can tell, so there really doesn't seem to be anything to argue about.

Stan Lee had managed to arrange the last two, so he gets paid. Good for him, and just too bad for Kirby's estate.

Do people send the Anchor Bar a royalties check every time they eat Buffalo Wings?


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