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The title says it all. The article can be found here.

Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is down to just 34 percent.

The largest share of people, 43 percent, said they don't know his religion, an increase from the 34 percent who said that in early 2009.
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In a separate poll by Time magazine/ABT SRBI conducted Monday and Tuesday — after Obama's comments about the mosque — 24 percent said they think he is Muslim, 47 percent said they think he is Christian and 24 percent didn't know or didn't respond.

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Analysts attributed this increase to increasing negative attacks from political opponents (Republicans and conservatives were mentioned specifically).

All I can say is, "what the fuck?" One, why are people getting even more stupid? And two, why is it that the more negative Obama is seen, the more people associate him with Islam? Is the thought process really something like "He's dark-skinned, his name sounds funny, and I don't agree with him - must be a Muslim!" or something to that effect?

Troll said:

All I can say is, "what the fuck?" One, why are people getting even more stupid? And two, why is it that the more negative Obama is seen, the more people associate him with Islam? Is the thought process really something like "He's dark-skinned, his name sounds funny, and I don't agree with him - must be a Muslim!" or something to that effect?

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you got it! Sadly ever since 9/11 attack by extremist Muslim, most of the ignorant Americans think all Muslim are equal. How quickly they forget that their own religion (insert your fav religion) have their share of fanatics.

I had to have this argument last night, reminding my friend that it isn't disrespectful to build a mosque/community center 4 blocks away at an old Burlington Coat Factory because the religion isn't responsible for its minority crackpots.

You know what is sad? Since Christian base religion is the "majority" in the U.S. (at least most vocal) what would the public do if David Koresh's CHRISTIAN base (fanatic) was the one causing 9/11. Would the public won't let them built a Christian church (none Davidian) near ground zero? (pretty much the same argument) probably won't put up with much of a fuss.

(note: I did a brief look up, and Davidian are base of Christianity more or less)

Chibibar said:

You know what is sad? Since Christian base religion is the "majority" in the U.S. (at least most vocal) what would the public do if David Koresh's CHRISTIAN base (fanatic) was the one causing 9/11. Would the public won't let them built a Christian church (none Davidian) near ground zero? (pretty much the same argument) probably won't put up with much of a fuss.

(note: I did a brief look up, and Davidian are base of Christianity more or less)

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loosely based on Christianity, David (Davidian) Koresh sat himself up as the "Savior." He just used his charisma to control dozens of people.

David Koresh claimed to be the next coming of Christ, I don't know that I'd consider that to be Christianity.

Dei said:

David Koresh claimed to be the next coming of Christ, I don't know that I'd consider that to be Christianity.

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there was a video on this thread of some guy claiming to be the savior and have millions of followers.. I can't remember it now.

You've had the rabid right hammering on this notion since the moment Obama became a candidate. It's the Big Lie Theory in full roar. It's been repeated so often and with such ferocity that people begin to take it as gospel.

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

But he is still a SECRET Muslim...

His name is Hussein, he MUST be an evil Commie Socialist Kenyan Muslim! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!

Chibibar said:

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

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So stupid they even felt the need to respond to the charges.

My president can worship french toast for all I care so long as he doesn't fuck up too bad.

Chibibar said:

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

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Because he says so, and Obama doesn't lie or keep secrets, EVAR!

Chibibar said:

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

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HE BETTER BE!

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GasBandit;429448][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

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Because he says so, and Obama doesn't lie or keep secrets, EVAR! [/QUOTE]

:spy:

GasBandit;429448][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

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Because he says so, and Obama doesn't lie or keep secrets, EVAR! [/QUOTE]
9th Circuit finds a right to lie - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Well, you can lie about having Congressional Medal of Honor (per article above - I am NOT saying Obama said he did, this is just a reference to lying) I'm sure he can legally lie about his religion. I don't think there is a law against it.

Chibibar;429460][QUOTE=GasBandit;429448][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

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Because he says so, and Obama doesn't lie or keep secrets, EVAR! [/QUOTE]
9th Circuit finds a right to lie - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Well, you can lie about having Congressional Medal of Honor (per article above - I am NOT saying Obama said he did, this is just a reference to lying) I'm sure he can legally lie about his religion. I don't think there is a law against it.[/QUOTE]

Chibibar. I am your father.

I'm trying hard to care, but nope I still don't give a shit about this. I don't care what religion he is, and don't care what religion people think he is.

Covar said:

I'm trying hard to care, but nope I still don't give a shit about this. I don't care what religion he is, and don't care what religion people think he is.

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All silliness aside, I'm not concerned with what he believes. I'm only concerned with what he does. There's enough already in that to want him to not get re-elected.

Well, I believe it is somehow important. It shows a bad level of ignorance about the president, and also indirectly of vitriol (because, how many of those who think Obama is a muslim or aren't sure he's christian see it as a (very) negative thing? I'll bet they're more than a few)

I doubt Obama's secretly a muslim. If he wasn't he wouldn't have sat through the Revrend Wright's sermons for 20 years.

of course it would explain how he never heard any of the controversial stuff... >

GasBandit said:

Chibibar. I am your father.

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Heh. It would be interesting if you were, but alas, my father pass away when I was 12

Chibibar;429498][QUOTE=GasBandit said:

Chibibar. I am your father.

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Heh. It would be interesting if you were, but alas, my father pass away when I was 12 [/QUOTE]

I had to fake my death and assume a new identity, get facial reconstruction, bleach my skin, gain 50 pounds, and get hair plugs in my jaw, all so I could perform top secret missions which subsequently won me the Medal of Honor.

This makes me wonder: how much of the increase in disapproval towards Obama is due to what he does (or doesn't, and how he does it) and how much is just because of the shit being flung his way, just like with thos religion thingy?

mr_thehun said:

If he was a Muslim why would this be a problem?

Freedom of religion my ass

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This is basically my take on it as well. He's clearly not a Muslim, but even if he was, it really wouldn't matter.

AshburnerX;429677][QUOTE=mr_thehun said:

If he was a Muslim why would this be a problem?

Freedom of religion my ass

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This is basically my take on it as well. He's clearly not a Muslim, but even if he was, it really wouldn't matter.[/QUOTE]

Well... up until recently, you had to be white to be president well maybe not "have to" but that is what the public would accept.

mr_thehun said:

If he was a Muslim why would this be a problem?

Freedom of religion my ass

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When Kennedy was running for president, a lot of people also had their knickers in a knot about letting a catholic be president.

GasBandit;429734][QUOTE=mr_thehun said:

If he was a Muslim why would this be a problem?

Freedom of religion my ass

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When Kennedy was running for president, a lot of people also had their knickers in a knot about letting a catholic be president.[/QUOTE]

Isn't it nice to know that in 40 years, the more that changes, the more it stays the same?

GasBandit;429734][QUOTE=mr_thehun said:

If he was a Muslim why would this be a problem?

Freedom of religion my ass

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When Kennedy was running for president, a lot of people also had their knickers in a knot about letting a catholic be president.[/QUOTE]

Very true, and especially stupid because Catholicism is still closely related to Protestantism. It makes me wonder... which do you guys think is going to happen first: Jewish President or Female President?

Female. No doubt in my mind.

Just for fun I googled to see "Is Obama Jewish?" Turns out there are theories on that one. We should just accept that he is jewish/muslim/a woman so we can just knock out all the firsts on one round.

You think U.S of A will ever be ready for an Asian FEMALE president?? I think transsexual will win first.

Dei said:

David Koresh claimed to be the next coming of Christ, I don't know that I'd consider that to be Christianity.

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Of course it is. Who are you to say he -wasn't- the second coming of Christ, hmm? Christ's message was quite different from that of Mozes, too. Perhaps you're just a blind Jew not willing to see and accept Jesus as the Son of God.

Note: I don't think he's the second coming of Christ, just making fun.

AmE: Depends, do you mean someone who's openly transvestite/transsexual? Yeah, good luck waiting. In secret? Eh, it's been claimed (well, transvestite, not transsexual) of presidents before.

Anyway, I find this sort of thing frightening. It just shows that the tactic of slinging as much mud as possible and waiting to see what sticks, actually works. The fact that his religion is even something that would be viewed as negative is something else, about equally wrong and terrible.

Amorous Eyes;429785][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

You think U.S of A will ever be ready for an Asian FEMALE president?? I think transsexual will win first.

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How many Asian registered voters are there in the USA?[/QUOTE]

note as much. I'm registered!

Chibibar;429809][QUOTE=Amorous Eyes;429785][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

You think U.S of A will ever be ready for an Asian FEMALE president?? I think transsexual will win first.

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How many Asian registered voters are there in the USA?[/QUOTE]

note as much. I'm registered![/QUOTE]

More than transsexuals, I'll bet :-P

oh hai guys, what's this about Obama being a decepticon?

David said:

oh hai guys, what's this about Obama being a decepticon?

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Okay, that would be awesome.

Obama is Keyser Soze!

Krisken;429444][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily - Yahoo! News

He is Christian

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So stupid they even felt the need to respond to the charges.

My president can worship french toast for all I care so long as he doesn't fuck up too bad.[/QUOTE]

FREEDOM TOAST YOU COMMIE BASTARD!

Thats some real sad polling numbers up there Ame. My only comment would be this though: While it's easy to say "Oh Americans hate muslims" I think it's probably more appropriate to say "People fear what they don't know". Even as your posted poll points out, most Americans don't even KNOW a Muslim and what they do know about Muslims is not good, it's based on 9/11, the Taliban, etc. So, while I'm not saying anyone should get a free pass for prejudice, I am saying people are ignorant because it's still not a mainstream part of American life and it's associated with, in many peoples minds, some real horrible stuff.

How does that change? It's going to take Muslims loving those around them and changing peoples minds one at a time, just like with any religion. While I don't have a problem with them building the mosque/community center near the WTC site maybe this is an opportunity for them to find a way to reach out to people, even if it means them not getting exactly what they want.
Does that make sense?

I've known Muslims in school. They are quite terrifying. Like that one who wouldn't go out with me. The rejection was an act of terror... on my heart.



People are dumb, poll results show it, what NYC does with a mosque in that area isn't the rest of the country's fucking business. According to articles I read, most of NYC doesn't seem to have an issue with it and doesn't see why the rest of the country is weighing in. I'll be up there on 9/11 for a friend's birthday, so maybe I'll do some random street-polling.

I was going to reply to this, but I think I'll just leave this quote here instead.

Winston Churchill said:

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

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As long as we're "just leaving" things here...

I can understand why the poll show just prejudice against Muslim..... what do ignorant American expose on Muslim so far?

1. 9/11 - before this, I'm sure most American could care less who ran for office (Muslim vs Christian) but lots of family died that day and more suffer from it and this is the start.
2. War in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their family members are going off to fight a war against the Taliban and Al Qaida which to many people they all think they are Muslim.
3. With the two reason above, the general ignorant masses believe ALL Muslim = evil

Chibibar said:

3. With the two reason above, the general ignorant masses believe ALL Muslim = evil

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Not all of them, just the devout ones.

Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell on if Obama is Muslim: 'I take him at his word' he's Christian

boy, that didn't help either.

GasBandit;430775][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

3. With the two reason above, the general ignorant masses believe ALL Muslim = evil

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Not all of them, just the devout ones. [/QUOTE]

True, but you can usually say the same about devout members of other religions as well. After all, we've had more than few abortion clinics bombed her in the US and Ireland is still split between the Protestants and the Catholics.

Amorous Eyes said:

"Everyone MUST be converted." They go out of their way to imply this includes "by any means necessary". I.e. torturing, terrorizing, murdering, etc.. until they convert. This goes directly against what the Quran says. In fact, the Quran clearly states that Muslims are not allowed to force their beliefs on anyone else.

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And even if they were, how's that any different from Christianity?

AshburnerX;430801][QUOTE=GasBandit;430775][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

3. With the two reason above, the general ignorant masses believe ALL Muslim = evil

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Not all of them, just the devout ones. [/QUOTE]

True, but you can usually say the same about devout members of other religions as well. After all, we've had more than few abortion clinics bombed her in the US and Ireland is still split between the Protestants and the Catholics.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. The more devout someone describes themselves, often the more I find them to be incompetent, if not outright dangerous. Regardless of which brand of religion it is. A little religion is nice to remind people to be nice to each other and get them through the tough times. Becoming a just changes you from a thinking, rational human being into a one-dimensional talking zergling. And that goes both for Wahabbists and TurboChristians alike.

But Ame is lying to us.

My proof is a youtube video.

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I can't believe how much of an issue this has become. Seriously. There are floods! Droughts! Wars!

Rob King said:

Thought this should go here.

I can't believe how much of an issue this has become. Seriously. There are floods! Droughts! Wars!

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I LOVE IT!

maybe the hot dog was kosher.... yea... umm... I got nothing.

Amorous Eyes said:

"Kosher" is a Jewish term, the word you are looking for is "Halal".

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lol.. thanks for correcting me. I guess I'm neither since I know squat

Amorous Eyes said:

Point 2:

• "Sharia Law." Is a terrible thing as the vast majority that comprises this law does not come from the Quran but instead from Sunnah and Hadith along with a bunch they simply made up along the way. There wasn't even any Sharia Law in Muhammaded's time, it was invented later. It is filled with crazy dogmas.
• Everything else in point 2. Not much else to say. This is simply what is believed to be Islam today, even by many Muslims that hold up these beliefs. Including the stoning to death of adulterers, despite the fact this is never mentioned in the Quran. It's quite sad, really, but hardly a unique problem with Islam. All major religions have this problem where people start believing things that are clearly a contradiction of the original message. Just look at the Quran burning. Is that really what Jesus would do?
• "Everyone MUST be converted." They go out of their way to imply this includes "by any means necessary". I.e. torturing, terrorizing, murdering, etc.. until they convert. This goes directly against what the Quran says. In fact, the Quran clearly states that Muslims are not allowed to force their beliefs on anyone else.

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So just to be clear, as I know VERY little about Sharia Law, but it is NOT from the Quran? Just a small part of it does and it has been expanded into Sharia law by other people?

GasBandit;430803][QUOTE=AshburnerX;430801][QUOTE=GasBandit;430775][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

3. With the two reason above, the general ignorant masses believe ALL Muslim = evil

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Not all of them, just the devout ones. [/QUOTE]

True, but you can usually say the same about devout members of other religions as well. After all, we've had more than few abortion clinics bombed her in the US and Ireland is still split between the Protestants and the Catholics.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. The more devout someone describes themselves, often the more I find them to be incompetent, if not outright dangerous. Regardless of which brand of religion it is. A little religion is nice to remind people to be nice to each other and get them through the tough times. Becoming a just changes you from a thinking, rational human being into a one-dimensional talking zergling. And that goes both for Wahabbists and TurboChristians alike.[/QUOTE]

Spawn more Overlords.

escushion;430845][QUOTE=GasBandit;430803][QUOTE=AshburnerX;430801][QUOTE=GasBandit;430775][QUOTE=Chibibar said:

3. With the two reason above, the general ignorant masses believe ALL Muslim = evil

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Not all of them, just the devout ones. [/QUOTE]

True, but you can usually say the same about devout members of other religions as well. After all, we've had more than few abortion clinics bombed her in the US and Ireland is still split between the Protestants and the Catholics.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. The more devout someone describes themselves, often the more I find them to be incompetent, if not outright dangerous. Regardless of which brand of religion it is. A little religion is nice to remind people to be nice to each other and get them through the tough times. Becoming a just changes you from a thinking, rational human being into a one-dimensional talking zergling. And that goes both for Wahabbists and TurboChristians alike.[/QUOTE]

Spawn more Overlords.[/QUOTE]