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Lots of good ones in here. Only thing that bothered me is his mention of Jeremy Irons. The actual singing isn't him, it's Jim Cummings. Just another one of those "hey do your research" moments.

Where's Gaston?!?

I think it's nice to see the NC doing a positive video again. His last video (Lost in Space) was so over-the-top angry it was painful.

Gaston is dead. Get over it.

He hasn't seen Muppet Treasure Island?



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CynicismKills said:

Only thing that bothered me is his mention of Jeremy Irons. The actual singing isn't him, it's Jim Cummings. Just another one of those "hey do your research" moments.

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It was Cummings in the Anastasia clip, too, not Christopher Lloyd. Dude gets around.

Honestly, if I were to pick a villain song from Sweeney Todd, I would have gone with Epiphany and A Little Priest. Those are better villain songs than Pretty Women, even if that one has Judge Turpin singing.

Wasn't Jeremy Irons singing for only part of the song when Cummings took over? That's the version I heard.

NO GASTON?!?!?

I think the reason it's left out is, although it's a great song, there's nothing inherently villainous about it. It's just a bunch of dudes with a mad gay for Gaston.

CynicismKills said:

I think the reason it's left out is, although it's a great song, there's nothing inherently villainous about it. It's just a bunch of dudes with a mad gay for Gaston.

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Well, if you count the ending/addendum to the song, it does. He is plotting to have Belle's father brought to a mental asylum.

Silver Jelly;346047][QUOTE=CynicismKills said:

I think the reason it's left out is, although it's a great song, there's nothing inherently villainous about it. It's just a bunch of dudes with a mad gay for Gaston.

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Well, if you count the ending/addendum to the song, it does. He is plotting to have Belle's father brought to a mental asylum.[/QUOTE]

So he can basically rape Belle. Without her father there he'll own her and she'll be happy about it!

I'm surprised this wasn't on the list, especially since Oogie was on the graphic for the episode.

Augh, this video reminds me of why I don't really like him in the end. Some of the things he says are kind of funny, but critics should know about what they're reviewing. This is just a kid ranting because he can.

-Leslie, who did not care for the Randy Newman comment

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And--- Jim Cummings was ALSO the Cajun firefly in The Princess and the Frog. He's done a ton of stuff, and he's really talented.

Dave;346085][QUOTE=Silver Jelly;346047][QUOTE=CynicismKills said:

I think the reason it's left out is, although it's a great song, there's nothing inherently villainous about it. It's just a bunch of dudes with a mad gay for Gaston.

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Well, if you count the ending/addendum to the song, it does. He is plotting to have Belle's father brought to a mental asylum.[/QUOTE]

So he can basically rape Belle. Without her father there he'll own her and she'll be happy about it![/QUOTE]

That's true, but it's not really part of the song, which is what he's talking about.

And yeah, I really think Oogie Boogie's song deserved a spot, I mean, he's talking about EATING SANTA. How is that not evil.

I don't feel like watching that annoying girl. Did number 1 go to Frollo? It better have. That's one of Disney's best songs.

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I don't feel like watching that annoying girl. Did number 1 go to Frollo? It better have. That's one of Disney's best songs.

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Yeah, that was the top. I agree, too, it's a great song.

It's the critic, not the chick. But yeah, they both can be. I will let you know as soon as I finish. It's taking forever to load.

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Nevermind. Woot!

if you don't like gaston, how about the mob song, where he whips the crowd into a fervor to go kill the beast? that's a good song

Picked the wrong Sweeny song.

I can't believe he chose that Rasputin song. That one is irredeemably terrible.

I have to agree on #1: Hellfire is hella creepy. I still get goosebumps from those hooded giants, especially since their Ominous Latin Chanting is also a Bilingual Bonus: they are actually singing about confession, something that Frollo oughta be doing instead of blaming Esmeralda. Mea culpa... mea culpa... mea maxima culpa!

North_Ranger said:

I have to agree on #1: Hellfire is hella creepy. I still get goosebumps from those hooded giants, especially since their Ominous Latin Chanting is also a Bilingual Bonus: they are actually singing about confession, something that Frollo oughta be doing instead of blaming Esmeralda. Mea culpa... mea culpa... mea maxima culpa!

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That's probably the best part about the song: Frollo is obsessed with Esmeralda, but even HE knows it's wrong. That's why parts of the song sound like he's legitimately afraid of what he's become and why it almost seems like he's asking for forgiveness from the hood figures.

AshburnerX;346472][QUOTE=North_Ranger said:

I have to agree on #1: Hellfire is hella creepy. I still get goosebumps from those hooded giants, especially since their Ominous Latin Chanting is also a Bilingual Bonus: they are actually singing about confession, something that Frollo oughta be doing instead of blaming Esmeralda. Mea culpa... mea culpa... mea maxima culpa!

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That's probably the best part about the song: Frollo is obsessed with Esmeralda, but even HE knows it's wrong. That's why parts of the song sound like he's legitimately afraid of what he's become and why it almost seems like he's asking for forgiveness from the hood figures.[/QUOTE]

Forgiveness? Surely you jest. More like he's saying, oh... "It's not my fault, I'm not to blame, it's the gypsy girl, the witch who sent this flame. It's not my fault if in God's plan He made the devil so much stronger than a man."

Sooo... It's not your fault if you want to stick your rod into the hot gypsy. It's HER fault for being so hot. And God's because He fucked up with the Devil. Nice going there, Pinky...

North_Ranger;346482][QUOTE=AshburnerX;346472][QUOTE=North_Ranger said:

I have to agree on #1: Hellfire is hella creepy. I still get goosebumps from those hooded giants, especially since their Ominous Latin Chanting is also a Bilingual Bonus: they are actually singing about confession, something that Frollo oughta be doing instead of blaming Esmeralda. Mea culpa... mea culpa... mea maxima culpa!

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That's probably the best part about the song: Frollo is obsessed with Esmeralda, but even HE knows it's wrong. That's why parts of the song sound like he's legitimately afraid of what he's become and why it almost seems like he's asking for forgiveness from the hood figures.[/QUOTE]

Forgiveness? Surely you jest. More like he's saying, oh... "It's not my fault, I'm not to blame, it's the gypsy girl, the witch who sent this flame. It's not my fault if in God's plan He made the devil so much stronger than a man."

Sooo... It's not your fault if you want to stick your rod into the hot gypsy. It's HER fault for being so hot. And God's because He fucked up with the Devil. Nice going there, Pinky... [/QUOTE]

I wasn't implying that lyrics of that part of the song, but rather the image of duality in it. If you imagine the robed figures as part of his subconscious and not simply imagery for the song, it gives the impression that no matter how hard he tries to justify his desires, part of him knows that what he wants is wrong and that he wants to be forgiven for his earthly desires. The fact that he's willing to ignore this part of himself in the end is what pushes him into the realm of true, unredeemable villainy.

I agree with AshburnerX. That's what makes Frollo such an complicated (and thus atypical) Disney villain. There's a misguided good there which goes to the core of his character.

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I agree with AshburnerX. That's what makes Frollo such an complicated (and thus atypical) Disney villain. There's a misguided good there which goes to the core of his character.

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Exactly. It's even shown that he can swayed to doing the right thing, given the proper motivation. When he murders the Gypsy on the steps of the Cathedral and he realizes what she was holding, the look of panic and fear on his face in apparent. He KNOWS what he did was wrong and now he needs to hide the evidence. But then the Archdeacon appears and calls him out on everything he'd done up until that point, declaring that no matter how he lies to himself or others, he cannot hide his sins from the eyes of the Cathedral (or rather, from the eyes of God). In this one moment, Frollo actually doubts himself and realizes that there is really no justification for what he was about to do. In the end, he gets saddled with raising the son of the woman he's slain... but unlike many other villains, he actually follows through with it (even if he half-asses it). I can't think of a single other Disney movie that even comes close to showing their villains in a redeemable light, but Frollo is within the first five minutes of the film! There is simply no other Disney villian as complicated and nuanced as Frollo.

I think the major thing is they prefer the black-and-white approach as it makes it easier for children to discern right and wrong in the movie itself. If a villain is too complicated, or even becomes an antihero, it's going to confuse the hell out of the younger audience. I'd love for more movies to try and add the subtle things they did with Frollo for older audience members to ponder/enjoy.

I still get goosebumps every time I listen to Hellfire.

And yes I WILL say this in every single thread where the song is mentioned.

RIP Tony Jay, you were so awsome.

<3 Friends on the Other Side.

Dr. Facilier's next to Frollo in terms of my favorite disney villains. Why? Because


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