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10 years ago today...



I can't begin to explain how the NYC skyline will never be the same to me since the destruction of those iconic towers. I'd also like to mention the passengers of Flight 93. We often hear of people using hindsight to describe what they'd do in a situation. These people refused to be victims. That to me describes the essence of heroism.
 
I'm much more broken up about the Western world's response to 9/11 than the actual attacks. I'll put my flag at half staff for the 10 year anniversary of the Patriot Act passing, though.
 
I remember, I'll never forget. I personally think that they should be showing the video of the planes striking and the towers falling to remind the general American public that this is what was done.

Now, is 10 years after the first tower fell.
 
I refused to watch the ceremony. Not because I expected it to be bad or anything, but because I've personally had enough of remembering and trying not to get upset. This is why I'm going to spend the 10th anniversary going to a friend's house to celebrate his newly-wed status to his lovely wife and wish them my dearest congratulations.

For me, I want this day to be about regular people enjoying their lives. Fuck terrorism.
 
I remember going to the mall that day, if only just to get out of the house and away from the TV. I'd been glued to it most of the day, watching the news. But I remember everyone around town were just sort of shuffling about, almost like zombies. Everyone was just in a state of shock. I'd never seen so many people hustled around TV's in the electronic stores.
 
Remembers going to the work cafeteria where the TVs were and watching in disbelief. In complete shock with a sick feeling in his gut. Suddenly the PA system in the building tells us the facilities are being evacuated. Suddenly realized I worked in the tallest building in Montreal and I NEEDED to get out. Once out I called my girlfriend at the time (we were only dating for 6 months back then) and making sure she left too. SPEEDing home, not sure what would happen next. Watched TV all day. Sad. Afraid. And Angry.

"Je me Souviens"
 

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I was driving to SEG, a geophysics conference in San Antonio, TX. My favorite morning DJ, who was known for (and eventually fired for) pulling fairly extreme pranks had to repeatedly explain that this was not one. I remember him breaking into the music. I went on to the conference, and the mood there was strange. Vendors who had set up large screens to display their software had instead switched to things like CNN.com to stream updates. The speakers still went on, but there was none of that professional jockeying that usually goes on at science conferences, where competing scientists try to one-up each other in the Q&A sessions. Very surreal.
 

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Remembers driving home from high school, pondering the upcoming French listening portion of his matriculation exams. Remembers driving down past the sugar mill, listening to the radio when the news come on and tell that WTC has been targeted in a terrorist attack. Remembers pulling over to the side of the road and starting to... half laugh, half cry. Remembers thinking how unreal that news sounds, thinking that this must've been like when some Polish farmer woke up in September 1939 and seeing Germans going over his onion field. Remembers driving home and watching the news, seeing the towers burn and collapse. Worried about the future. Only slowly coming to believe this really happened.

"Minä muistan."
 
I was in basic in the Navy at the time, They gathered us all into a room, told us what happened then had us all go back to what we were doing, with the exception of those with family members in the towers/pentagon they were allowed to call their family. That was it, no tv, no radio and no more updates. Hell I didn't even see pictures of what happened until a few months after basic.
 
297 years ago today...



These heroes refused to be defeated and fought until the streets ran red with their blood, they will never be forgotten.
 

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I was like 13 when this happened. I was sleepily getting out of my dad's car to go to school when he was like, "Oh shit, this is going to be big news." That was when it was still just the first one and it might've been a fluke.

Then in school everyone was freaking out. I didn't really grasp any of it then. I was too young and didn't care anything about politics or "faraway places" for it to hit me very hard.
 
I'm much more broken up about the Western world's response to 9/11 than the actual attacks. I'll put my flag at half staff for the 10 year anniversary of the Patriot Act passing, though.
I know I'm going to regret this...... Charlie what would have been a "proper" response to the attacks on 9/11? How exactly do you diplomatically solve the issue with people who think you're evil incarnate and must be destroyed even by giving their own lives?
 
I know I'm going to regret this...... Charlie what would have been a "proper" response to the attacks on 9/11? How exactly do you diplomatically solve the issue with people who think you're evil incarnate and must be destroyed even by giving their own lives?
Basically the exact opposite of everything that happened. Don't restrict rights here in the states in the name of security. Just, as a people, don't be extremely racist towards Muslims based on the attacks. Don't throw billions of dollars into the hole that is Iraq. Stop wasting money/time in Afghanistan once it's obvious OBL is in Pakistan. And stop feeding into the culture of fear that led to W's re-election.
 
How would any of that have stopped the terrorists from continuing to attack us openly and as largely as they did that day as well as growing into larger and larger groups? Just curious.
 
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Today is about remembering a disaster and how it affected people. the people involved and the people who just had to stand by powerless and watch. Not how outside forces responded to the disaster. Focus.
 
How would any of that have stopped the terrorists from continuing to attack us openly and as largely as they did that day as well as growing into larger and larger groups? Just curious.
All of our defense stuff in the airports that strips away rights has been reactionary, not proactive at all. The Patriot Act is barely used for Terrorism, just mostly on the war on drugs and fraud cases. There really hasn't been a huge conclusive link to Iraq being a breeding ground for Al Queda, despite what the opening 5 minutes of "The Marine" portrays. If anything, the war in Iraq has probably done more to grow terrorists into larger groups than stop it.
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Today is about remembering a disaster and how it affected people. the people involved and the people who just had to stand by powerless and watch. Not how outside forces responded to the disaster. Focus.
See, I don't believe that. If anything, today is more appropriate to talk about these things, to make people stop focusing and fetishizing 9/11 and worry about the big picture and see how it's changed us for the worse.
 
You're purposely dodging the question:

If we were so wrong in how we proceeded, what would have been the correct way to respond to the terrorist attack of 9/11 that would have done as much to curb the terrorist activities and attacks that began it in the first place.

It's a very simple question Charlie, why are you dancing around it? I'm not asking what's wrong with what we did. You've already made that clear. So you tell me what would have been the "right" decision to resolve the issue.

You must have an answer, as you're so quick to say what we did was wrong.
 
I'm not dodging the question - I'm saying we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, put in the inane and ineffective airport travel "security", shouldn't have passed the Patriot Act, shouldn't have re-elected Bush. That's what we should have done. Not do those things. I don't believe any of that made the country safer.
 
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ANYWAY.

The attacks happened only a couple days before the dedication of our states WWII memorial and celebration. It was a very moving time in general but the attacks added kind of a feeling of togetherness and brotherhood among the attendees that I do not think would have been there before. I remember 9/11 every year not just as a tragedy but as a day, and a few after where we just honestly cared about each other in a way we usually don't.
 
I'm not dodging the question - I'm saying we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, put in the inane and ineffective airport travel "security", shouldn't have passed the Patriot Act, shouldn't have re-elected Bush. That's what we should have done. Not do those things. I don't believe any of that made the country safer.
You dodged it again. I'll put it in elementary:

Charlie, What should we have done to stop the bad men?
 
Charlie, even if you may have legitimate points - and I'm not sure you do, I think you're just trolling - today is about remembering what happened. My uncle William was in the Pentagon when it was hit. He was across the building from the impact, so he was fine, but he knew some people that didn't make it. While I generally don't think the TSA is effective and I disagree with how the Patriot Act is used, that's not what matters today. What matters is remembering the people who were murdered in the attacks, and the first responders who gave their lives so that others could make it home to their families. What matters is cherishing the people who did make it home, who never nearly didn't. So, Charlie, I'm politely asking you to shut the fuck up.

I'm going to post a poem written by my friend BJ. It's actually inscripted in one of the memorials, and in his third book, Gravedigger's Birthday:

For the Children of the World Trade Center Victims

Nothing could have prepared you -

Note: Every poem I have ever written
is not as important as this one.

Note: This poem says nothing important.

Clarification of last note:
This poem cannot save 3,000 lives.

Note: This poem is attempting to pull your father
out of the rubble, still living and glowing
and enjoying football on Sunday.

Note: This poem is trying to reach your mother
in her business skirt, and get her home
to Ridgewood where she can change
to her robe and sip Chamomile tea
as she looks through the bay window at the old,
untouched New York City skyline.

Note: This poem is aiming its guns at the sky
to shoot down the terrorists and might
hit God if He let this happen.

Note: This poem is trying to turn
that blooming of orange and black
of the impact into nothing
more than a sudden tiger-lily
whose petals your mother and father
could use as parachutes, float down
to the streets below, a million
dandelion seeds drifting off
to the untrafficked sky above them.

Note: This poem is still doing nothing.

Note: Somewhere in this poem there may be people alive,
and I'm trying like mad to reach them.

Note: I need to get back to writing the poem to reach them
instead of dwelling on these matters, but how
can any of us get back to writing poems?

Note: The sound of this poem: the sound
of a scream in 200 different languages
that outshouts the sounds of sirens and
airliners and glass shattering and
concrete crumbling as steel is bending and
the orchestral tympani of our American hearts
when the second plane hit.

Note: the sound of a scream in 200 languages
is the same sound.
It is the sound of a scream.

Note: In New Jersey over the next four days,
over thirty people asked me
if I knew anyone in the catastrophe.

Yes, I said.
I knew every single one of them.

-- BJ Ward
 
Alright. Here's the deal. I'm tired of seeing 800 reported posts every time I open up the damn forum so listen up: This thread is not about discussing the far reaching political and sociological implications of 9/11. Those are fine and good things to discuss. Start a new thread please to continue that discussion. PLEASE.
It's not a bad discussion, in fact it's a great discussion, this just isn't the thread for it. Time and a place people. That time and place are another thread.

I don't want to have to lock this thread but if people start arguing with me about this it's going to happen.
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To get back on track... as someone who spent a bit of time in NYC before and after it was a heartbreaking day for me as well. I woke up to Dan Rather on my radio telling me that "America was under attack" and turned on my tv just as the second plane hit. It was... horrifying and tragic. It also affected me personally as I've had several family members and my own wife who have been on military deployments due to the events of that day.

I can't say much more. The whole day feels very somber for me. One way or the other our world changed that day. My prayers are with the families of those who dies that day and the soldiers families who have lost loved ones since.
 
did we just get told where to shove it by a smoking baby!?:eek:(/joke)

I remember 9/11, i was a freshman in high school, sittin in civics, thought it was a big hoax...was sad to find out it wasn't.....family fought in died in Afghanistan, later Iraq, thankfully no one in new york or the pentagon. it was weird, still is to this day. thats all i got.
 
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