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Obama wants to... freeze spending?
#1
Soliloquy
Soliloquy
What a tweest!
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/25/obama.spending.freeze/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
Essentially, word is that Obama wants to keep non-military spending from exceeding $447 billion over the next 3 years.
I count this as a rather... bizarre turn of events.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/25/obama.spending.freeze/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
Essentially, word is that Obama wants to keep non-military spending from exceeding $447 billion over the next 3 years.
I count this as a rather... bizarre turn of events.
#2
Covar
Covar
I'll believe it when it happens.
#3
Shakey
Shakey
I'm guessing this is to try and call Republicans on their "We need to stop spending tax dollars" bluff. It should be interesting how this gets spun with elections coming up.
#4
GasBandit
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.
GasBandit
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.
#5
Krisken
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
Except for, you know, a whole economy doesn't rely on your terrible analogy.
Krisken
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
Except for, you know, a whole economy doesn't rely on your terrible analogy.
#6
GasBandit
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
Except for, you know, a whole economy doesn't rely on your terrible analogy.[/QUOTE]
Well, that was certainly an overly-wordy way of saying "Nuh-uh!!" like a third grader.
Apparently though, it rests on an oft-raised 13-or-so trillion dollar debt ceiling, a great deal of which is held by our biggest economic competitors. Let's just keep doing that, your smug platitudes will surely hold the economy together.
Sheesh.. I remember thinking how awful it was when Bush had us a now-paltry NINE trillion in debt.
GasBandit
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
Except for, you know, a whole economy doesn't rely on your terrible analogy.[/QUOTE]
Well, that was certainly an overly-wordy way of saying "Nuh-uh!!" like a third grader.
Apparently though, it rests on an oft-raised 13-or-so trillion dollar debt ceiling, a great deal of which is held by our biggest economic competitors. Let's just keep doing that, your smug platitudes will surely hold the economy together.
Sheesh.. I remember thinking how awful it was when Bush had us a now-paltry NINE trillion in debt.
#7
Krisken
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
Except for, you know, a whole economy doesn't rely on your terrible analogy.[/QUOTE]
Well, that was certainly an overly-wordy way of saying "Nuh-uh!!" like a third grader.
[/QUOTE]
Except for your overly simplistic view of economics, you haven't really given us any reason to think that a spending freeze would do any good for the economy (which would result in job lay offs, leading to more unemployment, etc).
Saying "you're childish" doesn't change what you don't know about economics.
Krisken
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
Except for, you know, a whole economy doesn't rely on your terrible analogy.[/QUOTE]
Well, that was certainly an overly-wordy way of saying "Nuh-uh!!" like a third grader.
[/QUOTE]
Except for your overly simplistic view of economics, you haven't really given us any reason to think that a spending freeze would do any good for the economy (which would result in job lay offs, leading to more unemployment, etc).
Saying "you're childish" doesn't change what you don't know about economics.
#8
GasBandit
I'm saying we need spending CUTS. If anything, all this extra spending (especially the health deform bill and cap and trade) are killing jobs, not creating them.
GasBandit
That's not my position - I don't think that a spending freeze on 15% of a 3 trillion dollar budget (the freeze only affects a certain 447 billion, reportedly) as we approach 13 trillion dollars in debt is anything but a bad joke without a punch line.Except for your overly simplistic view of economics, you haven't really given us any reason to think that a spending freeze would do any good for the economy (which would result in job lay offs, leading to more unemployment, etc).
Saying "you're childish" doesn't change what you don't know about economics.
I'm saying we need spending CUTS. If anything, all this extra spending (especially the health deform bill and cap and trade) are killing jobs, not creating them.
#9
MindDetective
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.
MindDetective
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.
#10
ElJuski
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're on rollerskates...
ElJuski
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're on rollerskates...
#11
GasBandit
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're on rollerskates...[/QUOTE]
Or riding a horse, or travelling in any number of conveyances that aren't trains. I don't think the metaphor fits, especially when we're not really "stopping" anyway.. only 15% of the budget is supposedly going to be frozen. It's the proverbial Diet Coke ordered with the supersized greaseburger combo with fries.
GasBandit
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're on rollerskates...[/QUOTE]
Or riding a horse, or travelling in any number of conveyances that aren't trains. I don't think the metaphor fits, especially when we're not really "stopping" anyway.. only 15% of the budget is supposedly going to be frozen. It's the proverbial Diet Coke ordered with the supersized greaseburger combo with fries.
#12
The Lovely Boehner
The Lovely Boehner
This was just as stupid when McCain brought it up during the election, and Obama famously said it's like using a hacksaw when a scalpel is needed.
#13
Chazwozel
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're on rollerskates...[/QUOTE]
Or riding a horse, or travelling in any number of conveyances that aren't trains. I don't think the metaphor fits, especially when we're not really "stopping" anyway.. only 15% of the budget is supposedly going to be frozen. It's the proverbial Diet Coke ordered with the supersized greaseburger combo with fries.[/QUOTE]
I gotta agree with Gas here. Too much pork on the plate.
Chazwozel
"I'll believe it when I believe it." - Yogi BerraI'll believe it when it happens.
Seriously though... so the plan now is to freeze our RECORD HIGH SPENDING at current levels? Oh, gee, be still my beating heart.
Dad: "Look at this credit card bill! You spent THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS this month!"
Daughter: "Ok, ok, we'll freeze spending at current levels. Happy?"
Even if it were to go through, it's not enough. We need spending cuts, not just a freeze.[/QUOTE]
You have to stop before you can turn around.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're on rollerskates...[/QUOTE]
Or riding a horse, or travelling in any number of conveyances that aren't trains. I don't think the metaphor fits, especially when we're not really "stopping" anyway.. only 15% of the budget is supposedly going to be frozen. It's the proverbial Diet Coke ordered with the supersized greaseburger combo with fries.[/QUOTE]
I gotta agree with Gas here. Too much pork on the plate.
#14
MindDetective
MindDetective
No question about that, but even societies or individuals have a momentum and you cannot reverse that immediately. If you would rather think of it as a semi-truck, turning it around is going to be a slow, complicated process, especially if you are doing so under very restricted conditions. I want to slim government spending down as much as the next person but it is unreasonable to expect anyone is going to go after it with a chainsaw.
#15
ElJuski
ElJuski
you can't do a 180 on a horse.
I would have accepted ice skates though.
I would have accepted ice skates though.
#16
Adammon
Where there is political will to make difficult decisions, tremendous improvements can be made overnight. If your leaders are weak and ineffectual, chainsaws can cause more damage than good.
Obama is a weak, ineffectual leader thus I don't disagree with what results you believe may come of this process.
Adammon
Sorry, what is that observation based on? The problem with momentum is political, not economical. No one has the brass stones to give up their pet projects.No question about that, but even societies or individuals have a momentum and you cannot reverse that immediately. If you would rather think of it as a semi-truck, turning it around is going to be a slow, complicated process, especially if you are doing so under very restricted conditions. I want to slim government spending down as much as the next person but it is unreasonable to expect anyone is going to go after it with a chainsaw.
Where there is political will to make difficult decisions, tremendous improvements can be made overnight. If your leaders are weak and ineffectual, chainsaws can cause more damage than good.
Obama is a weak, ineffectual leader thus I don't disagree with what results you believe may come of this process.
#17
MindDetective
Where there is political will to make difficult decisions, tremendous improvements can be made overnight. If your leaders are weak and ineffectual, chainsaws can cause more damage than good.
Obama is a weak, ineffectual leader thus I don't disagree with what results you believe may come of this process.[/QUOTE]
Incremental results at best. Most examples of dramatic change have been scrubbed and polished through the rose-colored glasses of history. The only way change is going to occur dramatically is if there is some kind of viral social mechanism that drives it (like the WWII fervor when the US entered the war). For the most part our political system is designed in a way that actually dampens this kind of thing. The US government is very resistant to change, no matter how strong the leader might be. I make this argument not as a supporter of Obama but because I think this the way people work and as idealistic (whether conservative or liberal) as one might be about how the government should work, nothing changes the social nature of politics (which is what any political system must be mired in).
MindDetective
Sorry, what is that observation based on? The problem with momentum is political, not economical. No one has the brass stones to give up their pet projects.No question about that, but even societies or individuals have a momentum and you cannot reverse that immediately. If you would rather think of it as a semi-truck, turning it around is going to be a slow, complicated process, especially if you are doing so under very restricted conditions. I want to slim government spending down as much as the next person but it is unreasonable to expect anyone is going to go after it with a chainsaw.
Where there is political will to make difficult decisions, tremendous improvements can be made overnight. If your leaders are weak and ineffectual, chainsaws can cause more damage than good.
Obama is a weak, ineffectual leader thus I don't disagree with what results you believe may come of this process.[/QUOTE]
Incremental results at best. Most examples of dramatic change have been scrubbed and polished through the rose-colored glasses of history. The only way change is going to occur dramatically is if there is some kind of viral social mechanism that drives it (like the WWII fervor when the US entered the war). For the most part our political system is designed in a way that actually dampens this kind of thing. The US government is very resistant to change, no matter how strong the leader might be. I make this argument not as a supporter of Obama but because I think this the way people work and as idealistic (whether conservative or liberal) as one might be about how the government should work, nothing changes the social nature of politics (which is what any political system must be mired in).
#18
@Li3n
@Li3n
Funny thing is that the coke is just as bad for you anyway...It's the proverbial Diet Coke ordered with the supersized greaseburger combo with fries.
#19
makare
makare
I dont understand why it seems weird to order a diet coke with Mcdonalds food. It seems smart that if you are going to be eating a lot of calories to not drink a lot of calories too. I'll never understand that all or nothing attitude in that situation or in politics.
#20
The Lovely Boehner
The Lovely Boehner
I, for the record, think Diet Dr Pepper tastes better than Dr Pepper.
#21
GasBandit
GasBandit
What kind of effect will this proposed spending freeze have on our government spending? Reason Magazine says it would save at max a whopping $15 billion in fiscal year 2011.
Meanwhile, the CBO says that the US is on an unsustainable financial path and it cannot be dealt with with minor tinkering.
Meanwhile, the CBO says that the US is on an unsustainable financial path and it cannot be dealt with with minor tinkering.
#22
Soliloquy
Soliloquy
You, for the record, are a heathen.I, for the record, think Diet Dr Pepper tastes better than Dr Pepper.
#23
Chazwozel
I agree. Why pack in more calories when you don't have to? People also get weirded out when I order two quarter pounders and a diet Coke with no french fries. "You eat TWO quarter pounders?!??!" It's less calories and fat than one with fries and regular coke, and the two burgers keep me feeling full longer than french fries do!
<---- is also a diet coke/pepsi junkie. I like the taste of diet sodas much more than regular sodas. Diet Dr. Pepper tastes exactly the same as regular Dr. Pepper, fyi, you diabetic fools!
Chazwozel
I dont understand why it seems weird to order a diet coke with Mcdonalds food. It seems smart that if you are going to be eating a lot of calories to not drink a lot of calories too. I'll never understand that all or nothing attitude in that situation or in politics.
I agree. Why pack in more calories when you don't have to? People also get weirded out when I order two quarter pounders and a diet Coke with no french fries. "You eat TWO quarter pounders?!??!" It's less calories and fat than one with fries and regular coke, and the two burgers keep me feeling full longer than french fries do!
<---- is also a diet coke/pepsi junkie. I like the taste of diet sodas much more than regular sodas. Diet Dr. Pepper tastes exactly the same as regular Dr. Pepper, fyi, you diabetic fools!
#24
ElJuski
ElJuski
Hey...wow, I should really adopt that quarter pounder idea......
also, agreed with liking the taste of diet pepsi.
also, agreed with liking the taste of diet pepsi.
#25
Chazwozel
yeah man. At the worst, the calories and fat of 2 burgers equals that of the fries (say eating two big macs), but you stay full cause let's face it, fries really don't do shit for hunger.
Chazwozel
Hey...wow, I should really adopt that quarter pounder idea......
also, agreed with liking the taste of diet pepsi.
yeah man. At the worst, the calories and fat of 2 burgers equals that of the fries (say eating two big macs), but you stay full cause let's face it, fries really don't do shit for hunger.
#26
The Lovely Boehner
The Lovely Boehner
ughhhhhhhhhhhh all pepsi is disgusting
why yes, I am from the dirty souf, thanks for askin
why yes, I am from the dirty souf, thanks for askin
#27
Tinwhistler
yeah man. At the worst, the calories and fat of 2 burgers equals that of the fries (say eating two big macs), but you stay full cause let's face it, fries really don't do shit for hunger.[/QUOTE]
I used to work near a Subway, and i used to get a foot-long veggie sandwich for lunch, with brown mustard and no cheese (470 calories). One day this little skinny bitch looked at me like "a foot long sandwich? That's why you're fat" and then proceeded to order a 6 inch tuna sandwich (530 calories) with bacon (+45 calories), cheese (+40 calories) and double mayonnaise (+220 calories) for a whopping 835 calories
Fucking twat. I'm fat because i'm old and my metabolism is in the crapper. When I was 25, I was a little hotbody too. I just wanted to slap her in the face. Heh
Tinwhistler
Hey...wow, I should really adopt that quarter pounder idea......
also, agreed with liking the taste of diet pepsi.
yeah man. At the worst, the calories and fat of 2 burgers equals that of the fries (say eating two big macs), but you stay full cause let's face it, fries really don't do shit for hunger.[/QUOTE]
I used to work near a Subway, and i used to get a foot-long veggie sandwich for lunch, with brown mustard and no cheese (470 calories). One day this little skinny bitch looked at me like "a foot long sandwich? That's why you're fat" and then proceeded to order a 6 inch tuna sandwich (530 calories) with bacon (+45 calories), cheese (+40 calories) and double mayonnaise (+220 calories) for a whopping 835 calories
Fucking twat. I'm fat because i'm old and my metabolism is in the crapper. When I was 25, I was a little hotbody too. I just wanted to slap her in the face. Heh
#28
GasBandit
GasBandit
This was not my intention, but I'm proud to be the source of yet another Halforum topic derailment.
#29
Chazwozel
yeah man. At the worst, the calories and fat of 2 burgers equals that of the fries (say eating two big macs), but you stay full cause let's face it, fries really don't do shit for hunger.[/QUOTE]
I used to work near a Subway, and i used to get a foot-long veggie sandwich for lunch, with brown mustard and no cheese (470 calories). One day this little skinny bitch looked at me like "a foot long sandwich? That's why you're fat" and then proceeded to order a 6 inch tuna sandwich (530 calories) with bacon (+45 calories), cheese (+40 calories) and double mayonnaise (+220 calories) for a whopping 835 calories
Fucking twat. I'm fat because i'm old and my metabolism is in the crapper. When I was 25, I was a little hotbody too. I just wanted to slap her in the face. Heh[/QUOTE]
Oh jeez, when I was 18 I could pound like three subway footlongs and still be hungry and never gain a pound. I'm 27 now, and can take down 1 and a half without the weight gain. I feel for ya.
Chazwozel
Hey...wow, I should really adopt that quarter pounder idea......
also, agreed with liking the taste of diet pepsi.
yeah man. At the worst, the calories and fat of 2 burgers equals that of the fries (say eating two big macs), but you stay full cause let's face it, fries really don't do shit for hunger.[/QUOTE]
I used to work near a Subway, and i used to get a foot-long veggie sandwich for lunch, with brown mustard and no cheese (470 calories). One day this little skinny bitch looked at me like "a foot long sandwich? That's why you're fat" and then proceeded to order a 6 inch tuna sandwich (530 calories) with bacon (+45 calories), cheese (+40 calories) and double mayonnaise (+220 calories) for a whopping 835 calories
Fucking twat. I'm fat because i'm old and my metabolism is in the crapper. When I was 25, I was a little hotbody too. I just wanted to slap her in the face. Heh[/QUOTE]
Oh jeez, when I was 18 I could pound like three subway footlongs and still be hungry and never gain a pound. I'm 27 now, and can take down 1 and a half without the weight gain. I feel for ya.
#30
Soliloquy
$5 footlongs could save us millions!
Soliloquy
Well, we could say that Obama could curb spending by having congress buy lunch from Subway.This was not my intention, but I'm proud to be the source of yet another Halforum topic derailment.
$5 footlongs could save us millions!
#31
GasBandit
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.
GasBandit
Well, we could say that Obama could curb spending by having congress buy lunch from Subway.This was not my intention, but I'm proud to be the source of yet another Halforum topic derailment.
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.
#32
Soliloquy
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.[/QUOTE]
We're gonna have to make sacrifices, true.
Soliloquy
Well, we could say that Obama could curb spending by having congress buy lunch from Subway.This was not my intention, but I'm proud to be the source of yet another Halforum topic derailment.
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.[/QUOTE]
We're gonna have to make sacrifices, true.
#33
Covar
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.[/QUOTE]
The Ham sub is $5. Who dislikes a good ham sandwich?
Covar
Well, we could say that Obama could curb spending by having congress buy lunch from Subway.This was not my intention, but I'm proud to be the source of yet another Halforum topic derailment.
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.[/QUOTE]
The Ham sub is $5. Who dislikes a good ham sandwich?
#34
Seraphyn
Seraphyn
Secret Muslims..
>_>
>_>
#35
Tinwhistler
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.[/QUOTE]
The Ham sub is $5. Who dislikes a good ham sandwich?[/QUOTE]
Tinwhistler
Well, we could say that Obama could curb spending by having congress buy lunch from Subway.This was not my intention, but I'm proud to be the source of yet another Halforum topic derailment.
$5 footlongs could save us millions![/QUOTE]
Meh, none of the GOOD subs are 5 bucks.[/QUOTE]
The Ham sub is $5. Who dislikes a good ham sandwich?[/QUOTE]