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#1



Zumbo Prime

Semi-rant coming up here. You may be able to identify.


I, and a half dozen other people, have spent the last few weeks putting quite a bit of argumentative effort into a forum on another website. Said forum has a visible hierarchy. A triumvirate at the top, then moderators, of which I am one, and regular members. At the moment, the triumvirate is controlled by an inactive British guy, a German guy on vacation, and a 14-year-old American completely convinced self-examination is perfectly fine.

Essentially, this 14-year-old has banned the discussion of Anime from said forum, even though it does not pop up often. I am not a regular watcher of it, but this decision is clearly made because of personal dislike. Other topics that get posted rarely but consistently have been left alone. This would normally not be a big deal, but it is a standalone topic that has had no reasonable motive behind it, and this guy has become a tad deranged as of a month ago.

This 14YO believes everything he does is logical and cites "logic" in every counter he makes. Because apparently the majority is almost always wrong. Every single argument made, using analogies, examples, what have you, is rebutted either with irrelevant comparisons or with the word "logic". Every single person that has spoken with an opinion in these discussions has openly disagreed with him.

Now, today, he says he's going for a break. He wants someone to temporarily hold his position. He flat out says another moderator was not chosen because he would allow Anime. He flat out says I was "in the running" but was disqualified because I didn't just give up arguing. Out of 8 moderators, he picks the new guy who was picked yesterday, simply because everyone else has openly disagreed with him.


I apologize if this is against the rules, but I'm hoping someone here knows how to deal with this kind of situation without resorting to "everyone leave" or ignore it.


#2

Adam

Adammon

You're being controlled by a 14 year old.

If that doesn't make you want to leave, there's nothing I can say that can help.


#3



Zumbo Prime

Adammon said:
You're being controlled by a 14 year old.

If that doesn't make you want to leave, there's nothing I can say that can help.
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It's part of a "rolling forum" system. New boards jump up and fall down every week. There are hundreds of active boards right now. I joined this one a year after its conception. This guy was only picked for the triumvirate due to his being one of the founders.


#4

Adam

Adammon

So create a new board, and recruit all of the old board to the new board with the promise that the 14 year old won't be allowed to post. Problem solved, plus he'll wet his bed.


#5

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

Sweeten the promise by extending the ban to all fourteen year old kids.


#6

Dave

Dave

How long will the German be on vacation? Can you wait that long? Is there a way to get a hold of the British guy? I'd try either of those first. If that doesn't work, talk directly to the 14 year old and tell him that people are complaining and there are rumblings of mass leavings. If he doesn't respond to that, then you may end up starting your own board, but this should be a last resort.

All else fails, start your own as above and let him in as a user if he wants.

I've learned the hard way that if the mods and admins make things personal things will go to pot quickly. I've always tried to stay above the fray and the users know we, the administration, are NOT above the rules.

Good luck and all else fails....hub it.


#7



Chazwozel

Adammon said:
You're being controlled by a 14 year old.

If that doesn't make you want to leave, there's nothing I can say that can help.
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Was going to say the same thing. I don't listen to the opinions of anyone not old enough to fucking shave.


#8

Shannow

Shannow

It is...a forum. Where is the reason to be upset? I am not seeing it.


#9

bhamv3

bhamv3

If I may ask, why is it such a big deal that anime can't be discussed on the forum? As you mentioned, it's a rarely touched-upon topic anyway, so it shouldn't be a big issue to just not talk about it, right?

You say he's become a tad deranged, in what way?

From your description, I can't really tell where the origin of the conflict and arguments is, and it seems a bit like a storm in a teacup. Of course, it probably isn't pleasant to be admin'd by a 14 year old, but is there something specific that's causing arguments?


#10

General Specific

General Specific

Just hold off on it and wait for the Germain or British guy to get back. The 14-yo obviously has gotten a bit of a big ego holding the power he does.

If it gets to the point you can't wait, see how many others feel the same way and put together a little rebel uprising. Start posting threads about anime and as one is shut down, open another. Don't complain and don't flood the forum, but just steadily post more. If he bans a member, someone else pick up where they left off. Keep him busy for as long as possible. Maybe, if he sees how many people want to talk about it, he'll relent. Though we are talking about a 14 year old, so not the most emotionally developed.


#11



Zumbo Prime

General Specific said:
Just hold off on it and wait for the Germain or British guy to get back. The 14-yo obviously has gotten a bit of a big ego holding the power he does.

If it gets to the point you can't wait, see how many others feel the same way and put together a little rebel uprising. Start posting threads about anime and as one is shut down, open another. Don't complain and don't flood the forum, but just steadily post more. If he bans a member, someone else pick up where they left off. Keep him busy for as long as possible. Maybe, if he sees how many people want to talk about it, he'll relent. Though we are talking about a 14 year old, so not the most emotionally developed.
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That's the thing. Both those already happened. EVERYONE is in on this. He just doesn't care, and he knows that. Also, I've been a regular there for 2 years now.


In all honesty, when I take a step back, I laugh at this whole thing. It shouldn't be this dramatic or such a big deal, but I've put a lot of time and effort in there.


#12

@Li3n

@Li3n

Let Jay and Silent Bob show you the way, find out where he lives and go beat the shit out of him...



#13

phil

phil

Just get everyone to make a new topic citing their favorite anime, and asking what other anime people like.

I don't know how that'll help at all, but it should be pretty funny.

what's the name of this other forum, just out of curiosity?


#14

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

A forum member triumvirate with more power than the moderators........................................ ? :facepalm:


#15

Dave

Dave

Shegokigo said:
A forum member triumvirate with more power than the moderators........................................ ? :facepalm:
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3 Admins. Not sure why they bother with mods if the admins do stuff like described. They really need to define their roles.


#16

Green_Lantern

Green_Lantern

Burn that forum with all the flamewars possible and send the suvivors here.


#17

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

14yo has been running the place since he was 11?

I am shocked that it has lasted as long as it had.


#18

Green_Lantern

Green_Lantern

sixpackshaker said:
14yo has been running the place since he was 11?

I am shocked that it has lasted as long as it had.
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If I understood correctly, the people who actually run the place are adults, he was chosen after sometime because he is a forum founder.


#19

General Specific

General Specific

Zumbo Prime;328108][QUOTE=General Specific said:
Just hold off on it and wait for the Germain or British guy to get back. The 14-yo obviously has gotten a bit of a big ego holding the power he does.

If it gets to the point you can't wait, see how many others feel the same way and put together a little rebel uprising. Start posting threads about anime and as one is shut down, open another. Don't complain and don't flood the forum, but just steadily post more. If he bans a member, someone else pick up where they left off. Keep him busy for as long as possible. Maybe, if he sees how many people want to talk about it, he'll relent. Though we are talking about a 14 year old, so not the most emotionally developed.
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That's the thing. Both those already happened. EVERYONE is in on this. He just doesn't care, and he knows that. Also, I've been a regular there for 2 years now.


In all honesty, when I take a step back, I laugh at this whole thing. It shouldn't be this dramatic or such a big deal, but I've put a lot of time and effort in there.[/QUOTE]

If everyone really is in on it, get everyone together and do the opposite, leave and don't post a thing until the German guy gets back from vacation. Leave the kid all alone to rule over nothing.


#20

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Lead a mass exodus to the Promised Land of H'alf'Orum, where they may sup the sweet air of freedom and suckle on the droopy tits of the Great One :p


#21

Shannow

Shannow

Looks like a slow day here today, and we are bored. Whats the address to this forum?


#22

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Shannow said:
Looks like a slow day here today, and we are bored. Whats the address to this forum?
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DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNNNN!!!


#23

Shannow

Shannow

Nevermind, think I found it.


#24

Chippy

Chippy

Shannow said:
Nevermind, think I found it.
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Link? This could be fun.


#25

@Li3n

@Li3n

Let's 'ling rush them...


#26



Iaculus

.


#27

Gusto

Gusto

I believe I am our youngest moderator at 23.

In my experience, 14 year olds should not be given any kind of power over anyone else, especially on the Internet. Seems like that was the first/only mistake.


#28

Green_Lantern

Green_Lantern

Gusto said:
I believe I am our youngest moderator at 23.

In my experience, 14 year olds should not be given any kind of power over anyone else, especially on the Internet. Seems like that was the first/only mistake.
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And the last! DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNNNN!!!


#29



chakz

I'd like to hear how this all ends.


Announcer said:
WILL THE TEENAGE TYRANT MAINTAIN HIS EVIL RULE? WILL HALFORUM INVADE AND REPLACE THE DEVIL YOU KNOW WITH THE DEVIL YOU DON'T? WILL NORTH RANGER EVER LEARN THE SECRET OF SOUTH DRUID? TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR HALFORUM WHEN HUMMING BIRDS ATTACK!
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#30

Green_Lantern

Green_Lantern

chakz said:
I'd like to hear how this all ends.


Announcer said:
WILL THE TEENAGE TYRANT MAINTAIN HIS EVIL RULE? WILL HALFORUM INVADE AND REPLACE THE DEVIL YOU KNOW WITH THE DEVIL YOU DON'T? WILL NORTH RANGER EVER LEARN THE SECRET OF SOUTH DRUID? TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR HALFORUM WHEN HUMMING BIRDS ATTACK!
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can't wait :D


#31

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

*kneeling over the corpse of his love interest, at the edge of an active volcano, with an arrow stuck in his shoulder*

SOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUTTTHHH!!!


#32

General Specific

General Specific

*cue organ music*


#33

Allen who is Quiet

Allen, who is Quiet

North_Ranger said:
*kneeling over the corpse of his love interest, at the edge of an active volcano, with an arrow stuck in his shoulder*

SOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUTTTHHH!!!
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I died as I lived, in the arms of another man.


#34

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Oy, Allen! Get outta here, I booked this precipice months ago!


#35

Allen who is Quiet

Allen, who is Quiet

I'm not your love interest?


#36

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

In a nutshell: No.


#37

Allen who is Quiet

Allen, who is Quiet

:Leyla:


#38

Green_Lantern

Green_Lantern

Allen said:
:Leyla:
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Don't worry Allen, your love shall live in my fanfiction.


#39

Dave

Dave

So I want an update on the boards drama that is not drama here!


#40

Silver Jelly

Silver Jelly

Drama is always greener on the other forum.


#41



Zumbo Prime

First off - I'm not linking it at the moment. Don't want to screw anything up right now.

Second - Every active Moderator is planning a Coup. No idea how they're going to do it, but they're hoping that once German guy gets back, he'll step down and let one of the senior Mods take over for him, who will then remove the powers of the 14YO.

FYI, he was chosen as a moderator because he actually acted mature and thought things through, and was actually fairly intelligent. Then he was given admin status shortly after because both he and the German guy regularly visit /b/. This was when the triumvirate started. Not that anybody with some sense got a say in this.

Keep in mind, the other place is relatively small compared to here. A couple dozen regulars, dozen or so stragglers.

Any other general questions, I'll answer.


#42



chakz

Dang. Things are heating up. Keep us posted. And if it gets boring- Feel free to lie.





Edit: Not to make light of your situation or anything. I hope it all goes well, but seriously tell us how it plays out.


#43



Zumbo Prime

Pfft lol.

Sorry, but this is funny for me as well. This is the second time something like this happened.

Now there's a big anime thread created by an alt, and nobody is taking responsibility. Probably the 14YO or his one confidante.


#44

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

The kid's fourteen, why not just talk about anime after he's gone to bed?


#45

@Li3n

@Li3n

Zumbo Prime said:
FYI, he was chosen as a moderator because he actually acted mature and thought things through, and was actually fairly intelligent. Then he was given admin status shortly after because both he and the German guy regularly visit /b/.
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he's probably just trolling you guys then... ah, being 14...


#46



Iaculus

Zumbo Prime said:
Then he was given admin status shortly after because both he and the German guy regularly visit /b/.
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... And after this, you still trust your board leadership's judgement? Whoa.


#47



Chazwozel

Zumbo Prime said:
First off - I'm not linking it at the moment. Don't want to screw anything up right now.

Second - Every active Moderator is planning a Coup. No idea how they're going to do it, but they're hoping that once German guy gets back, he'll step down and let one of the senior Mods take over for him, who will then remove the powers of the 14YO.

FYI, he was chosen as a moderator because he actually acted mature and thought things through, and was actually fairly intelligent. Then he was given admin status shortly after because both he and the German guy regularly visit /b/. This was when the triumvirate started. Not that anybody with some sense got a say in this.

Keep in mind, the other place is relatively small compared to here. A couple dozen regulars, dozen or so stragglers.

Any other general questions, I'll answer.
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A coup? Seriously? If you could only see how hard I just /facepalmed.


#48



Alucard

I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing


#49



chakz

BlackCat said:
I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing
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I'm pretty sure this is the sort of thing you keep to yourself, especially when the management is hanging around.


#50

Gusto

Gusto

chakz;328840][QUOTE=BlackCat said:
I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing
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I'm pretty sure this is the sort of thing you keep to yourself, especially when the management is hanging around.[/QUOTE]

No, please, go on.

*ahem*

Sorry about that. Frog in my throat.


#51



Zumbo Prime

@Li3n;328583][QUOTE=Zumbo Prime said:
FYI, he was chosen as a moderator because he actually acted mature and thought things through, and was actually fairly intelligent. Then he was given admin status shortly after because both he and the German guy regularly visit /b/.
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he's probably just trolling you guys then... ah, being 14...[/QUOTE]He posted multiple pictures. And video. Hard to debate with that.

@ Iaculus - We don't trust their judgment, that's the point.



@ Everyone. The situation finally ended. The British guy finally came back and saw what was happening. He gave Admin to to of the senior Moderators, who then removed all powers the German guy and 14YO had, along with that of every alt they made. Everyone there is happy now, place is revamped, a moderator council came back and replaced the triumvirate, etc.


#52

Green_Lantern

Green_Lantern

Zumbo Prime;329032][QUOTE=@Li3n;328583][QUOTE=Zumbo Prime said:
FYI, he was chosen as a moderator because he actually acted mature and thought things through, and was actually fairly intelligent. Then he was given admin status shortly after because both he and the German guy regularly visit /b/.
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he's probably just trolling you guys then... ah, being 14...[/QUOTE]He posted multiple pictures. And video. Hard to debate with that.

@ Iaculus - We don't trust their judgment, that's the point.



@ Everyone. The situation finally ended. The British guy finally came back and saw what was happening. He gave Admin to to of the senior Moderators, who then removed all powers the German guy and 14YO had, along with that of every alt they made. Everyone there is happy now, place is revamped, a moderator council came back and replaced the triumvirate, etc.[/QUOTE]

So all problems are solved! That is so... so... boring.

Gives us the link so you can solve the boredom :D


#53



Zumbo Prime

I'm considering posting a link.


#54

General Specific

General Specific

Ok, I'll go setup the inflatable army so they think we will be landing at Calais.

You guys get ready for the real invasion.

They'll never know what hit them. :D


#55

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Can I bring my irradiated peasoup mutated giant squirrels? I promise I won't let them rip open the couches and s*** in 'em ;)


#56



chakz

Zumbo Prime;329032][QUOTE=@Li3n;328583][QUOTE=Zumbo Prime said:
FYI, he was chosen as a moderator because he actually acted mature and thought things through, and was actually fairly intelligent. Then he was given admin status shortly after because both he and the German guy regularly visit /b/.
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he's probably just trolling you guys then... ah, being 14...[/QUOTE]He posted multiple pictures. And video. Hard to debate with that.

@ Iaculus - We don't trust their judgment, that's the point.



@ Everyone. The situation finally ended. The British guy finally came back and saw what was happening. He gave Admin to to of the senior Moderators, who then removed all powers the German guy and 14YO had, along with that of every alt they made. Everyone there is happy now, place is revamped, a moderator council came back and replaced the triumvirate, etc.[/QUOTE]

Was there thread about it. Can we at least see the thread? Did he use the words "Nice. I go on vacation and this place goes to hell. Real nice."


#57

Dave

Dave

Who would post something like that?


#58



Chazwozel

Zumbo Prime said:
I'm considering posting a link.
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As far as I'm concerned every board needs a little Chazwozel in em. DO EEETTT!!!!


#59

Shannow

Shannow

Ugh.


#60

@Li3n

@Li3n

Chazwozel;329135][QUOTE=Zumbo Prime said:
I'm considering posting a link.
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As far as I'm concerned every board needs a little Chazwozel in em. DO EEETTT!!!![/QUOTE]

Whoa there Nellie, starting a war off with a nuke is considered bad form in these here parts...


#61



Kitty Sinatra

Dave said:
Who would post something like that?
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You, after you're next vacation.

We're all set on our end. You just gotta get yourself down to the Caribbean and we can launch Operation Hellforums.


#62

Hylian

Hylian

Gruebeard;329329][QUOTE=Dave said:
Who would post something like that?
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You, after you're next vacation.

We're all set on our end. You just gotta get yourself down to the Caribbean and we can launch Operation Hellforums.[/QUOTE]
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#63

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

hylian;329415][QUOTE=Gruebeard;329329][QUOTE=Dave said:
Who would post something like that?
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You, after you're next vacation.

We're all set on our end. You just gotta get yourself down to the Caribbean and we can launch Operation Hellforums.[/QUOTE]
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[/QUOTE]



#64



Zumbo Prime

Gruebeard;329329][QUOTE=Dave said:
Who would post something like that?
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You, after you're next vacation.[/QUOTE]
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#65



Deschain

BATTALION IS OSCAR MIKE. STAY FROSTY GUYS, RAMIREZ, DO EVERTYHING!


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