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Oversaturation of vampire films

Oct 13, 2009#1

Alucard

I have to agree with Penny Arcades strip of the markets oversaturation of vampire films. I mean whats next werewolves or mummies?
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/

Oct 13, 2009#2

Kitty Sinatra

I saw some bullshit idea recently that goes like something this:

-When Republicans are in power (or gaining power), there's a tonne of zombie films as a metaphor for the lower class rising up.
-When Democrats are in power (or gaining power), there's a tonne of vampire films as a metaphor for the upper class oppressing the little folk.

So, we'll suffer through vampires for a couple more years, then we'll be back to yet another remake of Dawn of the Dead.

Oct 13, 2009#3

ThatNickGuy

I, for one, can't wait for a revitilzation of interest in Killer Klowns From Outer Space.

It's gonna happen.

Someday.

*sniff* Someday.

Oct 13, 2009#4

Heavan

I had a dream, likely influenced by that comic, that tree people (leaves for hair, wooden bodies, you know, tree people) were the next hot thing and that thanks to a dream I got out ahead on it and was now a millionaire. I'm trying to make that reality but I don't know what sort of tree people products I can create.

Oct 14, 2009#5

Philosopher B.

Mummies are soooooo dreamy.

*Swoons*

Oct 14, 2009#6

Iaculus

Philosopher B. said:
Mummies are soooooo dreamy.

*Swoons*

Paaaging Dr. Freud...

Oct 14, 2009#7

@Li3n

Iaculus;274530][quote=Philosopher B. said:
Mummies are soooooo dreamy.

*Swoons*

Paaaging Dr. Freud...[/QUOTE]

The doc is busy being attracted to his mum (google Freud, he's the one that actually hated papa and liked mummy, way to project there).

Oct 14, 2009#8

Iaculus

@Li3n;274553][quote=Iaculus;274530][quote=Philosopher B. said:
Mummies are soooooo dreamy.

*Swoons*

Paaaging Dr. Freud...[/QUOTE]

The doc is busy being attracted to his mum (google Freud, he's the one that actually hated papa and liked mummy, way to project there).[/QUOTE]

That was... kind of the joke.

Oct 14, 2009#9

@Li3n

Oh... i assumed that you where just referring to his work...

Oct 14, 2009#10

JCM

BlackCat said:
I have to agree with Penny Arcades strip of the markets oversaturation of vampire films. I mean whats next werewolves or mummies?
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/

I grew up reading Anne Rice, although anything after Armand sucks (but for Blackwood farm), it seems just a bunch of kids trying to ape her style.

Oct 14, 2009#11

The Lovely Boehner

Gruebeard said:
So, we'll suffer through vampires for a couple more years, then we'll be back to yet another remake of Dawn of the Dead.

I don't see any scenario where we don't have 8 years of Vampires

eace:

Oct 14, 2009#12

Fun Size

ThatNickGuy said:
I, for one, can't wait for a revitilzation of interest in Killer Klowns From Outer Space.

It's gonna happen.

Someday.

*sniff* Someday.

Libertarians 2012. (I keed.)

Oct 14, 2009#13

phil

shortpacked made a similar joke as well.

I could see werewolves becoming a thing.

Oct 14, 2009#14

Wahad

phil said:
shortpacked made a similar joke as well.

I could see werewolves becoming a thing.

So what do werewolves represent? Independents?

Oct 14, 2009#15

figmentPez

Next up: talking skulls. Murray and Morte star in a buddy-cop movie.

Oct 14, 2009#16

JCM

Wahad;274876][quote=phil said:
shortpacked made a similar joke as well.

I could see werewolves becoming a thing.

So what do werewolves represent? Independents?[/QUOTE]Ron Paul.

Oct 14, 2009#17

North_Ranger

I don't mind vampires.

I do mind vampires being presented as teenage/twenty-something emo bitches, though.

You are fucking immortal, and you drink fucking blood from the fucking living! Stop sounding like a whiny thirteen-year-old boy crying his black-mascaraed eyes out in a chat room!!

Oct 15, 2009#18

JCM

North_Ranger said:
I don't mind vampires.

I do mind vampires being presented as teenage/twenty-something emo bitches, though.

You are fucking immortal, and you drink fucking blood from the fucking living! Stop sounding like a whiny thirteen-year-old boy crying his black-mascaraed eyes out in a chat room!!

Oct 15, 2009#19

Silver Jelly

that made me LOL.

Oct 15, 2009#20

Tinwhistler

werewolf movies are so 25 years ago.

Oct 15, 2009#21

Green_Lantern

JCM;275102][quote=Wahad;274876][quote=phil said:
shortpacked made a similar joke as well.

I could see werewolves becoming a thing.

So what do werewolves represent? Independents?[/QUOTE]Ron Paul.[/QUOTE]

I always though it was furries.

Oct 15, 2009#22

@Li3n

Green_Lantern;275286][quote=JCM;275102][quote=Wahad;274876][quote=phil said:
shortpacked made a similar joke as well.

I could see werewolves becoming a thing.

So what do werewolves represent? Independents?[/quote]Ron Paul.[/quote]

I always though it was furries.[/QUOTE]

Same thing really...

Oct 15, 2009#23

kaykordeath

Has there ever been a good strong Vampire origin story? I admit to not ever having read Dracula (it's on the list, I promise) but when I was watching True Blood with the wifey, and they talked about vampires being around for thousands of years, I got to wonder about the first one....so have any of the dozens of interpretations ever attempted to explain WHY/WHEN they came about?

Oct 15, 2009#24

Silver Jelly

kaykordeath said:
Has there ever been a good strong Vampire origin story? I admit to not ever having read Dracula (it's on the list, I promise) but when I was watching True Blood with the wifey, and they talked about vampires being around for thousands of years, I got to wonder about the first one....so have any of the dozens of interpretations ever attempted to explain WHY/WHEN they came about?

Oct 15, 2009#25

sixpackshaker

Silver Jelly;275320][quote=kaykordeath said:
Has there ever been a good strong Vampire origin story? I admit to not ever having read Dracula (it's on the list, I promise) but when I was watching True Blood with the wifey, and they talked about vampires being around for thousands of years, I got to wonder about the first one....so have any of the dozens of interpretations ever attempted to explain WHY/WHEN they came about?

I remember Blade saying Judas was transformed into a vampire as punishment. He couldn't commit sucide, as he tried, and silver (because of the money he got form the romans) and christian symbols (for obvious reasons) hurt him and his descendants.

It kind of works, but I don't think we need an origin of the first vampire! Vampires ARE. And that's all.

Well I think It was Blade, but I'm not sure...[/QUOTE]

Trying to explain why the unexplainable exists can really kill a story. Highlander 2 - They are ALIENS... The Phantom Menace - The Force is all-powerful, microscopic bacteria

Then again Dracula's origin was pretty cool.

He cursed God and got cursed back.

Oct 15, 2009#26

Fun Size

Anne Rice went with a king and queen going to perform an exorcist and getting stabbed to death in the process, allowing whatever they were there to remove access to their bloodstream...something like that anyway. I agree with sixpackshaker, although I believe that was just the movie. I've read Dracula a couple of times (great book, BTW), and as I recall, he just was.

Oct 15, 2009#27

Silver Jelly

sixpackshaker;275326][quote=Silver Jelly;275320][quote=kaykordeath said:
Has there ever been a good strong Vampire origin story? I admit to not ever having read Dracula (it's on the list, I promise) but when I was watching True Blood with the wifey, and they talked about vampires being around for thousands of years, I got to wonder about the first one....so have any of the dozens of interpretations ever attempted to explain WHY/WHEN they came about?

He cursed God and got cursed back.

[/QUOTE]

I've read Dracula twice and I can't remember that detail... where is that explained?

Oct 15, 2009#28

Fun Size

It was in the movie.

Oct 15, 2009#29

Silver Jelly

Fun Size said:
It was in the movie.

Oh, I've just seen the movie like... half time. XP (You mean the Universal classic one?)

Oct 15, 2009#30

Fun Size

No, the Francis Ford Coppola one.

Oct 15, 2009#31

Silver Jelly

Fun Size said:
No, the Francis Ford Coppola one.

I have seen that one exactly the same amout of times. Also Horror of Dracula and Nosferatu... I was helping my brother do some work about vampires, so I didn't actually watch the movies as much as look for some stuff in them.

Oct 15, 2009#32

figmentPez

kaykordeath said:
Has there ever been a good strong Vampire origin story? I admit to not ever having read Dracula (it's on the list, I promise) but when I was watching True Blood with the wifey, and they talked about vampires being around for thousands of years, I got to wonder about the first one....so have any of the dozens of interpretations ever attempted to explain WHY/WHEN they came about?

Oct 15, 2009#33

Bowielee

figmentPez;275437][quote=kaykordeath said:
Has there ever been a good strong Vampire origin story? I admit to not ever having read Dracula (it's on the list, I promise) but when I was watching True Blood with the wifey, and they talked about vampires being around for thousands of years, I got to wonder about the first one....so have any of the dozens of interpretations ever attempted to explain WHY/WHEN they came about?

I don't think I've heard of anything that is actually set in the period of the first vampires, but there are lots of different origin stories floating about. Some say that Cain (of Biblical story of Cain and Abel) was the first vampire. I think Buffy the Vampire Slayer said they were leftovers from when greater demons were mostly cast out of our dimension, part-demons that were mere fractions of the great powers that used to rule humanity. The Underworld movies have a convoluted plot where they're all descended from a mutated human or something.[/QUOTE]

Basically every mythology has a different explination.

/rant on

In the novel, Dracula is just a thing of evil, there's never any explination as to why other than that in life, Vlad was one sick bastard. The movie (which I hate, BTW) purports to be the truest interpretation of the novel, but I totally disagree. The whole love beyond the ages bullshit was never part of the original novel. There was nothing special about Mina in the novel other than that she was one of the main characters. I don't know where the interpretation came from that she was the reincarnation of a past love of Dracula's. Her seduction was about defiling her, not about love.

/rant off

I think the Cain and Abel thing comes mostly from Vampire: The Masquerade

Some mythologies have Lilith (Adam's second wife) as the first vampire.

Oct 15, 2009#34

Cajungal

^I just agreed with your rant so hard that I fell out of my chair.

Oct 15, 2009#35

kaykordeath

Bowielee said:
Basically every mythology has a different explination.

Oct 15, 2009#36

Bowielee

kaykordeath;275461][quote=Bowielee said:
Basically every mythology has a different explination.

See, that's kinda what I thought...

And while I agree with the concept that explaining the unexplained usually sucks, I'm also a sucker for origin stories...and would love to see someone take on an epic attempt at this. There's gotta be some great groundwork in a "first vampire" story...[/QUOTE]

Anne Rice: Queen of the Damned

As loathe as I am to admit it, due to the fact that her novels started this whole "vampires as tragic romantic figures" craze, I loved her vampire books.

Oct 15, 2009#37

Fun Size

On a side note, I just came a cross a review for a sequel for Dracula. While I opted for The Graveyard Book at the library instead, how does everyone feel about that. Myself, I just can't imagine it not being...I don't know. Wierd I guess. Dracula is such a great book.

I suppose people said the same thing about Gone With The Wind, and that one supposedly did not suck. But look what happened to Dune.

Oct 15, 2009#38

Steven Soderburgin

While I'm not religious, I love crazy fantastical Bible shit, especially the Old Testament stuff, because that shit is CRAZY.

As such, I'd love to see an "origin of vampires" kind of movie that was a take on the Cain and Abel story except with fucked up vampires and crazy catholic wrathful god type shit going down.

Oct 15, 2009#39

Bowielee

Fun Size said:
On a side note, I just came a cross a review for a sequel for Dracula. While I opted for The Graveyard Book at the library instead, how does everyone feel about that. Myself, I just can't imagine it not being...I don't know. Wierd I guess. Dracula is such a great book.

I suppose people said the same thing about Gone With The Wind, and that one supposedly did not suck. But look what happened to Dune.

Who wrote the sequel?

Some people mistake Lair of the White Worm as a sequel to Dracula, but the 2 have nothing in common other than the author.

Oct 15, 2009#40

Fun Size

Bowielee;275482][quote=Fun Size said:
On a side note, I just came a cross a review for a sequel for Dracula. While I opted for The Graveyard Book at the library instead, how does everyone feel about that. Myself, I just can't imagine it not being...I don't know. Wierd I guess. Dracula is such a great book.

I suppose people said the same thing about Gone With The Wind, and that one supposedly did not suck. But look what happened to Dune.

Who wrote the sequel?

Some people mistake Lair of the White Worm as a sequel to Dracula, but the 2 have nothing in common other than the author.[/QUOTE]

One of his family members and a documentarian.

Oct 15, 2009#41

SpecialKO

FFC's movie was a melange of the book and the actual history of Vlad the Impaler (with a lot of fictional license thrown in). In the original historical legend, his wife committed suicide by throwing herself into a river rather than be enslaved by the Ottoman Turks besieging their home. FFC took that and turned into the reincarnation claptrap thing in the movie.

Interestingly enough, Romanians think of Vlad III as a national Christian hero, and many of the reports of his insanity and sadism (the impalings in particular) are thought to have been fabrications by his enemies. Everyone agrees that he was ruthless though, so go figure.

In Underworld, the name of the progenitor immortal, Corvinus, is actually taken from one of Vlad's contemporaries (and one-time foe), Matthias Corvinus of Hungary.

The Judas story is from the execrable Dracula 2000, starring Gerard Butler and Christopher Plummer and produced by Wes Craven. It's actually kind of weird how bad it is considering how many recognizables are in the cast.

Oct 15, 2009#42

Kitty Sinatra

Kissinger said:
While I'm not religious, I love crazy fantastical Bible shit, especially the Old Testament stuff, because that shit is CRAZY.

As such, I'd love to see an "origin of vampires" kind of movie that was a take on the Cain and Abel story except with fucked up vampires and crazy catholic wrathful god type shit going down.

Well, if John Steinbeck actually researched East of Eden - or "fact" checked it with some religious scholar - I'm confident in saying that Cain makes for a very bad choice of first vampire. The book's major theme revolves around the story of Cain and Abel, to the point where Steinbeck blatantly goes into a lecture about the meaning of the story.

And what he tells us is that we are all descended from Cain (not Abel) and, most profoundly, that Cain is the epitome of what it is to be human.

(Ha! That was the part of the book where I though Steinbeck was fucking up his story, yet it's what stuck most with me)

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