^ this.I could swing for days with an aluminum bat with cork in it and never be able to hit from major league pitchers. As Mythbusters proved, corking bats hurts performance and power!! So while it may have given a psychological boost Rose actually got those hits. I don't have to like the man but I do have to respect the accomplishment. And before you start comparing this to 'roids just don't - they are not the same thing.
I was under the impression he only bet them to win. Fact check time by both of us. First one there wins!A rabid, snarling wolverine is a nicer man than Ty Cobb.
My problems with Pete Rose were that he sabotaged his own team in two different ways for his own enrichment. First off, he gained the hits record by benching a promising young player at the same position when he was player-manager. Rose hit .142 that year, and the team missed the playoffs. Then, after he was no longer a player, he managed his team to lose (pull hot players, misuse pitchers, etc) because he'd bet against them. In a way, those are worse than steroids.
He bet on baseball, which is the one absolutely unforgiveable sin. Even more than steroids or corked bats.Mythbusters is not real science, just like CSI isn't real crime scene investigation. Having said that, I don't get the hate for Pete Rose.
He bet on baseball, which is the one absolutely unforgiveable sin. Even more than steroids or corked bats.Mythbusters is not real science, just like CSI isn't real crime scene investigation. Having said that, I don't get the hate for Pete Rose.
He bet on baseball, which is the one absolutely unforgiveable sin. Even more than steroids or corked bats.Mythbusters is not real science, just like CSI isn't real crime scene investigation. Having said that, I don't get the hate for Pete Rose.
Not a perfect source, however, this http://www.baseball1.com/bb-data/rose/ contains the Dowd Report, which was an investigation of the matter.wikipedia said:1980s Pete Rose betting scandal
Pete Rose, baseball's all-time hits leader and manager of the Cincinnati Reds since 1984, was reported as betting on Major League games, including Reds games while he was the manager.
Rose had been questioned about his gambling activities in February 1989 by outgoing commissioner Peter Ueberroth and his successor, National League president A. Bartlett Giamatti. Three days later, lawyer John M. Dowd was retained to investigate the charges against Rose. During the investigation, Giamatti took office as the commissioner of baseball.
A March 21, 1989 Sports Illustrated article linked him to gambling on baseball games.
The Dowd Report asserted that Pete Rose bet on fifty-two Reds games in 1987, at a minimum of $10,000 a day.
Rose, facing a very harsh punishment, along with his attorney and agent, Reuven Katz, decided to seek a compromise with Major League Baseball. On August 24, 1989, Rose agreed to a voluntary lifetime ban from baseball. The agreement had three key provisions:
1. Major League Baseball would make no finding of fact regarding gambling allegations and cease their investigation;
2. Pete Rose was neither admitting or denying the charges; and
3. Pete Rose could apply for reinstatement after one year.
To Rose's chagrin, however, Giamatti immediately stated publicly that he felt that Pete Rose bet on baseball games. Then, in a stunning follow-up event, Giamatti, a heavy smoker for many years, suffered a fatal heart attack just eight days later, on September 1.
The consensus among baseball experts is that the death of Giamatti and the ascension of Fay Vincent, a great admirer of Giamatti, was the worst thing that could happen to Pete Rose's hopes of reinstatement.[citation needed]
On February 4, 1991, the twelve members of the board of directors of the Baseball Hall of Fame voted unanimously to bar Rose from the ballot. However, he still received 41 write-in votes on January 7, 1992.
Bud Selig, the former owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, succeeded Vincent in 1992.
In 2004, after years of speculation and denial, Pete Rose admitted in his book My Prison Without Bars that the accusations that he had bet on Reds games were true, and that he had admitted it to Bud Selig personally some time before. Rose, however, stated that he always bet on the Reds — never against.[1]
Pete Rose has applied for reinstatement twice: in September, 1997 and March 2003. In both instances, commissioner Selig has failed to act, thereby keeping the ban intact. However, he was allowed to be a part of the All-Century Team celebration in 1999 since he was named one of the team's outfielders.
All as a manager, not a player. The man played some good ball for many, many years.He bet on baseball, which is the one absolutely unforgiveable sin. Even more than steroids or corked bats.
Then he lied about betting on baseball.
Then when he finally admitted to betting on baseball, there wasn't any apology, just an attempt to sell books.
Through it all there's been no contrition. No remorse. Just douchebaggery heaped upon douchebaggery.
I have an issue with the Mythbusters findings. The point of corking a bat is to generate more bat speed. They did not account for that. They didn't check for how much faster the swing was after the corking than before. Does the gain in bat speed make up for the loss of power (which, BTW, was measured with the original bat speed)?
He bet on baseball, which is the one absolutely unforgiveable sin. Even more than steroids or corked bats.Mythbusters is not real science, just like CSI isn't real crime scene investigation. Having said that, I don't get the hate for Pete Rose.
Trying to figure out who this "promising young player" was. In 1985, the year he broke the record, Pete hit .264 which was third amongst starters, his OBP was .395, the best amongst the starters...the backup first baseman was 43-yr old Tony Perez. Was it Wayne Krenchiki? Tom Foley? Wade Rowdon? I mean the only young player with promise might have been Paul O'Neill but he was only up with the club for a cup of coffee, he was in five games. Even in 1986 he had fewer at bats than Eddie Milner, Nick Esasky and Eric Davis and was strictly platooning himself. Esasky was the only one who could have played first, but he didn't much. Perez did. Rose is listed as playing in 72 of 162 games, fewer than Tony Perez and Kal Daniels, in fact 12 other players were in more games than Rose was. Plus I don't know where you got .142, Pete did not hit that ever. he hit .219 in 86, his final year. Which is crap, but certainly not .142A rabid, snarling wolverine is a nicer man than Ty Cobb.
My problems with Pete Rose were that he sabotaged his own team in two different ways for his own enrichment. First off, he gained the hits record by benching a promising young player at the same position when he was player-manager. Rose hit .142 that year, and the team missed the playoffs. Then, after he was no longer a player, he managed his team to lose (pull hot players, misuse pitchers, etc) because he'd bet against them. In a way, those are worse than steroids.