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Post about the last time you thought or did something bigoted.

#1

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

Jesse Jackson said:
There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start to think about robbery and then look around and see it’s somebody white and feel relieved.
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Due to growing up in a bigoted society, we all think and do things that are informed by racism, sexism, or any other kind of bigotry that you can name. Society at large teaches us to be bigoted against marginalized groups and it takes a lot of work to overcome those impulses. That's why it's important to acknowledge when we do things that are informed by learned bigotry so that we can attempt to correct those patterns of thought and behavior within ourselves.

So let's talk about when we act in a manner that is bigoted. I did something racist within the last week that I'll post about later, but for now, I want to open it up to discussion. When did you last do something bigoted, and what was it?


#2

Dave

Dave

This one is easy. It happened to me a couple weeks ago.

I was at the grocery store and the two Mexican ladies in front of me were buying all sorts of stuff - alcohol, a carton of cigarettes, chips, a magazine, etc. Nothing they bought had any value at all as a food group for sustaining life and health. Then they proceeded to separate everything into food and non-food, paid for the food with food stamps and the rest with $100 bills. Please note this was in the express lane and they had an entire cart of crap. I only had a couple things so I got to see it as they put everything into a brand new 2012 car and drive away. Here I sit with the few items I could afford and get into my 2001 POS with 187,000 miles on it. My thoughts immediately turned to GasBandit and how if he'd seen that I would have no answer to why welfare is a bad thing.


#3

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

Dave said:
I would have no answer to why welfare is a bad thing.
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they're the exception to the rule


#4

Dave

Dave

Charlie Don't Surf said:
they're the exception to the rule
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People use exceptions to the rule every day to get their point across. It's effective.


#5

Covar

Covar

Charlie Don't Surf said:
they're the exception to the rule
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So was newtown.


#6

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

Covar said:
So was newtown.
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no, every time a gun is used period ever in its life, it's to murder someone or something or get better at murdering things, next.


#7

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

liar


#8

bhamv3

bhamv3

I ogled a woman and had dirty thoughts about her, is that sexist and objectifying?

Oh wait, I have a better one. I used to object to my sisters' boyfriends because they are Caucasian and not Asian like us. I used to justify it by saying our society here tends to be much more xenophobic and prejudiced than people in the West are used to, and thus my sisters are opening themselves up to being discriminated against by association. But, really, it was mostly my own discomfort about them being a different race.

I got over it though, so now I don't object to them any more. Well, one of them I do, but that's because he's a moron.


#9

Vrii

Vrii

Well, this lasted longer than I thought it would.


#10

Tress

Tress

"Hey guys, post something that could be sensitive, hurtful, or embarrassing about yourselves! As for me, I'll just make a vague promise to share my own story sometime in the future. It'll happen, totally."

Bad form, Charlie. Post your own story first.


#11

Terrik

Terrik

Every time something stupid/annoying/insane/infuriating happens to me in China I have to fight against this.

Also, my two years experience working with Koreans colored my view of them so terribly that it took a long time to keep myself from automatically thinking they held certain prejudiced/bigoted views whenever I met one after that.


#12

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

I have snap bigoted judgments all the time. When I went to high school downtown, I'd routinely cross the street to avoid colored people that were homeless. I have a hard time thinking of really attractive co-workers as people first and sex objects second. When someone driving is courteous to me, a lot of times the thought enters my head "Thank god they were white about it", since that's something my mother said all the time whenever someone let us merge or signaled a turn or whatever. I stop myself from calling stuff gay all the time.

edit: also the hundreds of times I think "fucking white people" whenever the Republicans do something. My hatred of white people is well documented here on halforums.


#13

bhamv3

bhamv3

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I have snap bigoted judgments all the time. When I went to high school downtown, I'd routinely cross the street to avoid colored people that were homeless. I have a hard time thinking of really attractive co-workers as people first and sex objects second. When someone driving is courteous to me, a lot of times the thought enters my head "Thank god they were white about it", since that's something my mother said all the time whenever someone let us merge or signaled a turn or whatever. I stop myself from calling stuff gay all the time. Sometimes I really want to call someone a smelly lady part!

edit: also the hundreds of times I think "fucking white people" whenever the Republicans do something. My hatred of white people is well documented here on halforums.
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... Your brain does seem to operate with an odd discriminatory filter, you know that?


#14

Dave

Dave

bhamv3 said:
... Your brain does seem to operate with an odd discriminatory filter, you know that?
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Everyone's does, my friend.


#15

bhamv3

bhamv3

Dave said:
Everyone's does, my friend.
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Huh... guess I'm lucky and sheltered then.


#16

Dave

Dave

bhamv3 said:
Huh... guess I'm lucky and sheltered then.
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All he's saying is that he has these thoughts. He acknowledges them and tries to rise above. You, yourself, said you have had these thoughts, except against white people. Same thing.


#17

bhamv3

bhamv3

Dave said:
All he's saying is that he has these thoughts. He acknowledges them and tries to rise above. You, yourself, said you have had these thoughts, except against white people. Same thing.
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Yeah, but I was struck by the difference in extent and scope. I don't go around stopping myself from calling something gay in a derogatory way, because it doesn't occur to me to make these jokes. When someone does something, I don't think to myself "Oh that's so typically white/black/Asian/female/Jewish/American/etc" and then remember to stop myself from saying so out loud; such thoughts simply don't occur to me.

It's as if Charlie's a closeted racist who has to force himself not to be racist. It's weird to me.


#18

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

bhamv3 said:
It's as if Charlie's a closeted racist who has to force himself not to be racist. It's weird to me.
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I was raised in the South and mostly around white, male, straight, cisgendered people until I graduated college


#19

bhamv3

bhamv3

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I was raised in the South and mostly around white, male, straight, cisgendered people until I graduated college
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Yeah, so I figured I was sheltered in comparison. I grew up in an affluent Maryland suburb near DC, with a nice mix of races and cultures, along with liberal attitudes towards social issues.


#20

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

bhamv3 said:
Yeah, so I figured I was sheltered in comparison. I grew up in an affluent Maryland suburb near DC, with a nice mix of races and cultures, along with liberal attitudes towards social issues.
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It is pretty easy to be raised on a steady diet of bigoted thoughts when you never really see minorities and also have hit privilege bingo


#21

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

I grew up (and live) in the south, so yeah, I grew up with bigoted relatives and downright racist distant relatives. Every night for my job, I have to go to the bank and drop off the night deposit, and whenever I have to work in one particular store, in one particularly scummy part of town, the bank there has only a walk up deposit box in the side alley. On a few occasions, I've been there dropping off the night deposit when a black guy would come up behind me and my first thought was "I hope this guy isn't a mugger." Of course, both times it was just a guy there to use the ATM.

People are going to give Charlie a hard time because this is a Charlie thread, but these are societal influences worth discussing. Of course, rationally, I do not believe all black people are muggers. My first instinct is to also say I would be a little wary of a certain type of white guy, which is true, but it's going to be a stronger thought if it's a black guy.

Of course, whenever I have to work in that little hick town, it makes me incredibly racist against white people, and that I feel less bad about. :megusta:


#22

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I choose not to participate until someone clarifies if making fun of New Jersey is bigoted or accurate.


#23

DarkAudit

DarkAudit

Quotemander Prime said:
I choose not to participate until someone clarifies if making fun of New Jersey is bigoted or accurate.
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Both. :ninja:


#24

blotsfan

blotsfan

Sorry if I offend anyone here, but I regularly get pissed at non-American Asians. Whenever they take too long doing something or just show confusion at simple things, I get pissed at Asians as a whole. I know its wrong and that I'm sure I do just as many dumb things without the excuse of being from a foreign country, but they just bring out the worst in me.


#25

Tress

Tress

I hate old people. Seriously. I make some of the rudest, nastiest comments about people around 75+ and up. I'll even make classically bigoted comments like "Oh, [that person] is okay. But all the others..." blah blah blah. I hate how slow they drive, I hate how racist they tend to be, and I hate their knee-jerk reactions to everything different or new in the world.

So yeah. I'm really not racist, but I'm definitely age-ist.


#26

grub

grub

I live in Abbotsford Canada, which has probably 1/3 Indo-Canadian (immigrants from India) and the rest European mix. And many of the "brown people", as my Indo-Canadian landlord calls them, act very superior because in their old country they have money. Many of these people refuse to learn english or the rules and laws of this country. Those people piss me off. If they didn't want to integrate into Canadian society then why did they move here? I don't want a cultural "melting-pot" I just want them to learn the language of their new home and maybe the general rules of society. When called on it they usually say they are sorry and that they don't speak english when they were speaking it just fine earlier.


#27

Krisken

Krisken

I'm more likely to be bigoted toward teenagers (the 16-19 age group) than anyone else, especially when shopping. I have to actively remind myself I was not any different than they were (and didn't like the attitudes of those who gave the type of looks I give to groups of kids). Ah well, we become our parents, eh?


#28

Cajungal

Cajungal

I find myself sometimes associating this sort of rude, entitled behavior with certain groups of black people when, really, I've encountered all types of people who behave that way. It's more about education and how they were raised, but you know, of you grow up hearing people talk in a certain way, it sticks. I've gotten better at catching myself over the years. It's a shame. And honestly, any guy at night scares me when I'm alone---unless he's wearing skinny jeans. Then I can at least outrun him.

Whites dudes who dress... I dont know what you call the style... But baggy clothes, flat-brim cap, chains... They scare the hell out of me for various personal reasons.


#29

Cajungal

Cajungal

I also find myself judging guys who wear camo when they're not hunting. You see a lot of that down here, like it's part of southern pride or something. Maybe I associate it with negative southern stereotypes, but it's really not fair.


#30

Tress

Tress

Did I disagree with your post, Dave? No, I didn't, ya racist bastard.


#31

T

The_Khan

sometimes I touch myself and think about women who are pretty.


#32

TommiR

TommiR

Today I peed while standing up. I understand that, according to some feminist authorities, it is sexist and offensive to women.


#33

T

The_Khan

I say history instead of ourstory or the equally sexist herstory.


#34

DarkAudit

DarkAudit

I am a middle-aged white Protestant male. In other words, EVERYTHING I do or think.


#35

tegid

tegid

-I'm scared of non-white people in the street at night all the time. Then again, I'm more or less equally scared of white people dressed a certain way. Either both of them are bigoted or none of them are.

-I met a few Chinese people over the summer when I was in the US and I picked some strong prejudice against the Chinese in general due to some things they did. It started wearing away when I got to know some of them better, but now it's fading veeeeeery slowly, and there's still a lot of it in my head. It's very easy to assume that it's cultural differences instead of prejudice. Last week someone was telling me about these very nice, welcoming and whatnot Chinese and I surprised myself thinking, even more saying (not directly) that they must be the exception. What the hell, man?

-The gypsies around here. They really have a different culture that I don't like, but I let it grow into full-blown racism. It's racism in theory and speech, it doesn't affect much how I see specific people. Not making much of an effort to fight this as of now, I must admit.

-I've been trying for a while not to use expression like 'Don't be gay!' or 'Don't be a girl' (which was the first alternative). I don't mean it derogatorily to gays or women I guess, but I am furthering the roles and prejudice associated to gay men and straight women when I say those things (i.e. 'they are weak').


#36

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

nice feminist strawmen you got there


#37

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Little old ladies piss me off. Mainly because of one particular old skank who lives in my neighbourhood. Twice in the past year I've met her on the street, and both times she insists on walking up to me and start patting my stomach, asking when I'm due with a chuckle. Bitch, don't step into my personal space. Next time you do that, I'm going to break your arm. A year or two earlier while at the grocery store, I saw another old lady trying to lift a sixpack down from the pile. She was a tiny little woman with a bad back, and the sixpack pile was at least five feet and change in height. So, I offered to help, being six foot even. How did she thank me? "Oh, how healthy you would be if you were a little leaner". Bitch, you ain't my doctor or my mother. I should've just lifted the sixpack back onto the pile and walk away.


#38

Dave

Dave

Tress said:
Did I disagree with your post, Dave? No, I didn't, you racist bastard.
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Don't mind me, I'm just an old dude, you ageist!


#39

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

North_Ranger said:
Little old ladies piss me off. Mainly because of one particular old skank who lives in my neighbourhood. Twice in the past year I've met her on the street, and both times she insists on walking up to me and start patting my stomach, asking when I'm due with a chuckle. Bitch, don't step into my personal space. Next time you do that, I'm going to break your arm. A year or two earlier while at the grocery store, I saw another old lady trying to lift a sixpack down from the pile. She was a tiny little woman with a bad back, and the sixpack pile was at least five feet and change in height. So, I offered to help, being six foot even. How did she thank me? "Oh, how healthy you would be if you were a little leaner". Bitch, you ain't my doctor or my mother. I should've just lifted the sixpack back onto the pile and walk away.
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okay, so your last time was in this post when you called them "bitch" and "skank"


#40

tegid

tegid

Funny but fair.

Tough but true.


#41

GasBandit

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
no, every time a gun is used period ever in its life, it's to murder someone or something or get better at murdering things, next.
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Hey Doctor Grant, stop murdering that fossil.


#42

DarkAudit

DarkAudit

Is this thread anything more than Charlie jerking off at himself? No.


#43

tegid

tegid

Ravenpoe said:
People are going to give Charlie a hard time because this is a Charlie thread, but these are societal influences worth discussing.
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Really, this could be a good and interesting thread, but even before some of those actual 'I'm white so I must be racist' were stated you guys were already assuming that was what the thread was about. FFS, we had cases of being bigoted agains white people. I usually think that the points of going too far in where we see racism/sexism/whatevs were fair ones, but you guys are sounding like assholes saying 'LALALA RACISM DOESN'T EXIST SEXISM DOESN'T EXIST WOMEN GOT IT GOOD THEY JUST LIKE TO COMPLAIN'. Why can't these topics be discussed?

Instead of the usual where CDS is the troll, you guys are the ones trolling here. Oh wait, I fell forit didn't I?


#44

blotsfan

blotsfan

Yeah, I thought this thread was actually a good idea. Thanks for ruining this like you do everything else Charlie.


#45

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Charlie Don't Surf said:
okay, so your last time was in this post when you called them "bitch" and "skank"
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I calls 'em how I sees 'em.


#46

tegid

tegid

North_Ranger said:
I calls 'em how I sees 'em.
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No, I think he's saying that because he thinks 'bitch' and 'skank' are bigoted words...


#47

Vrii

Vrii

tegid said:
Really, this could be a good and interesting thread, but even before some of those actual 'I'm white so I must be racist' were stated you guys were already assuming that was what the thread was about. FFS, we had cases of being bigoted agains white people. I usually think that the points of going too far in where we see racism/sexism/whatevs were fair ones, but you guys are sounding like assholes saying 'LALALA RACISM DOESN'T EXIST SEXISM DOESN'T EXIST WOMEN GOT IT GOOD THEY JUST LIKE TO COMPLAIN'. Why can't these topics be discussed?

Instead of the usual where CDS is the troll, you guys are the ones trolling here. Oh wait, I fell forit didn't I?
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I mean, a) I don't think anyone has made that assertion, and b) Charlie started the thread, which is the direct cause of the assumptions you're talking about. He makes no secret of his agenda, everyone knows what it is, and he started within what, 3 or 4 posts of the thread being opened?


#48

tegid

tegid

The thread recovered after Charlie's faux pas and the 'normal' posts continued... And suddenly 4 troll posts coming from nowhere. So no, I don't think you're right. Still, maybe you're right and I should acknowledge that CDS is an asshole too. Conclusion: everyone's an asshole!

Whatever, I think what I'm doing is worse for tha thread than any of all that. So let's just end this here.


#49

Covar

Covar

tegid said:
No, I think he's saying that because he thinks 'bitch' and 'skank' are bigoted words...
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Just like 'dick' amirite


#50

Cajungal

Cajungal

The_Khan said:
sometimes I touch myself and think about women who are pretty.
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You BASTARD! *punches chest weakly, then faints*


#51

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

Covar said:
Just like 'dick' amirite
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actually you are right, I try to avoid calling people "pricks"


#52

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I once asked a girl on a date, instead of waiting for her to overcome her burdensome gender role.


#53

Cajungal

Cajungal

I am never going to stop calling people bitch when they deserve it. Screw it, some words are just too satisfying.


#54

Adam

Adam

I've found I've actually become more bigoted with exposure to Charlie, not less.


#55

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Adam said:
I've found I've actually become more bigoted with exposure to Charlie, not less.
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It's kinda like when you talk to a die-hard vegan... and you get the urge to eat the biggest burger you can find.


#56

Adam

Adam

North_Ranger said:
It's kinda like when you talk to a die-hard vegan... and you get the urge to eat the biggest burger you can find.
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Exactly. Except I have this strange urge to throw watermelon at black people, make slanty eyes at yellow people, do a rain dance at a red person and fuck women.


#57

Cajungal

Cajungal

North_Ranger said:
It's kinda like when you talk to a die-hard vegan... and you get the urge to eat the biggest burger you can find.
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And then cross the street when the burger is walking towards you.


#58

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I have to admit, I crossed the street the last time I saw a black man eating fried chicken walking towards me...because there was a Popeyes there.


#59

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Cajungal said:
And then cross the street when the burger is walking towards you.
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I'd take that as a sign to check my meds.


#60

Frank

Frank

I'm Metis, if you don't know what that means, it means that I have a significant mix of native ancestry mixed in with my overpoweringly white ancestry (sandy brown/blonde hair, white as snow, blue eyes, etc). I have a huuuuuuuuuuge native family branch in the Cold Lake area of Alberta and it's surrounding reserves. Huge. As in hundreds of cousins. I have no real negative initial reaction to most non-white people of any sort, black, asian, etc unless you are native. If you are native, the first thing that springs to my mind is what scummy trash, alcoholic, FAS bullshit am I about to put up with. It's awful, and it's most often wrong, and most of all it's entirely self-loathing but that's the way it is.

I'm also from the Texas of Canada, Alberta.


#61

Adam

Adam

Frank said:
I'm Metis, if you don't know what that means, it means that I have a significant mix of native ancestry mixed in with my overpoweringly white ancestry (sandy brown/blonde hair, white as snow, blue eyes, etc). I have a huuuuuuuuuuge native family branch in the Cold Lake area of Alberta and it's surrounding reserves. Huge. As in hundreds of cousins. I have no real negative initial reaction to most non-white people of any sort, black, asian, etc unless you are native. If you are native, the first thing that springs to my mind is what scummy trash, alcoholic, FAS bullshit am I about to put up with. It's awful, and it's most often wrong, and most of all it's entirely self-loathing but that's the way it is.
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Is it really?


#62

Frank

Frank

Yeah, I hated that side of the family growing up. Even now I keep zero contact with that side of the family. That bigotry started long before I became a member and had to deal with that shit amped up in the northern bits of Alberta. That sure as shit didn't help.


#63

Adam

Adam

Frank said:
Yeah, I hated that side of the family growing up. Even now I keep zero contact with that side of the family. That bigotry started long before I became a member and had to deal with that shit amped up in the northern bits of Alberta. That sure as shit didn't help.
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My grandmother grew up on a reserve in SK but wasn't a native. She looked it, but was actually of Ukrainian decent so it was always funny for her to get her native brothers and sisters ranting to her about the white man. One of my uncles ended up being half-cree I believe, with my two aunts and my mom looking somewhat native but being Norweigen/Ukrainian. Makes me laugh because they don't get much whiter than me but a good half of my family is native.


#64

Necronic

Necronic

Did Charlie just Unironically refer to minorities as "colored people"?

Also, while I have my own race bigoted moments from time to time, my real prejudice is against the poor. When I see some massively overweight 30 year old wearing a loony tunes shirt dragging some screaming kid in dirty clothes by the arm through a Walmart I think some pretty negative things about them, like "man I would hate to be her"


#65

Cajungal

Cajungal

Necronic said:
Did Charlie just Unironically refer to minorities as "colored people"?

Also, while I have my own race bigoted moments from time to time, my real prejudice is against the poor. When I see some massively overweight 30 year old wearing a loony tunes shirt dragging some screaming kid in dirty clothes by the arm through a Walmart I think some pretty negative things about them, like "man I would hate to be her"
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I was wondering the same thing.

And I can identify with that. We have so many morbidly obese poor people here. One thing I would really love to do in service to my community is teach people about cheap food that is also healthy for you. It breaks my heart to see a mom buying often overpriced junk food either thinking it's her only option or not caring.


#66

T

The_Khan

I hate bad drivers, I think they are selfish people. I have met bad Chinese drivers, bad Japanese drivers, bad Korean drivers, bad Orwellian drivers, bad Swedish drivers, bad German drivers, bad French drivers, bad English drivers, bad Ethiopian drivers, bad American drivers, bad male drivers and bad female drivers, bad one eyed- female drivers, bad short drivers, bad old drivers, bad young drivers and I hate them all.

I can't drive.

I hate people who live in a foreign country for decades and gleefully refuse to learn the language or culture of where they live.

I hate people who are bad at something but instead of trying to become better, make excuses for why they suck.

I hate newly graduated kids sense of entitlement and unwillingness to do "bitch"* work (*I hate this term, this is what it is called.)

I hate the willfully poor who do nothing to bring themselves up or improve their surroundings.


I don't think much about race, colour, religion or these other things. I've lived in China, Sweden, Belize, Japan, & Canada.

I have a Jewish Grandmother, A catholic Grandmother, A nazi ancestor, an allied war hero, there are black people in my family, Asian people in my family, gay people in my family, lesbians in my family, Indians in my family, first nations in my family, Arabians in my family and Americans in my family. I am a child of this world who has touched his feet on every corner of this world and I have discovered one simple truth... people are pretty much the same from any part of this world save for the mind fucking cultural differences.


#67

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I'm not saying this to troll, but having Charlie discuss his area of upbringing explains a lot. Not in how he acts, but in how he seems to think everyone thinks the way the people around him do, just because that's all he's been exposed to. A lot of people, not surprisingly, had a different upbringing and have different points of view.


#68

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

Frank said:
I'm Metis, if you don't know what that means, it means that I have a significant mix of native ancestry mixed in with my overpoweringly white ancestry (sandy brown/blonde hair, white as snow, blue eyes, etc). I have a huuuuuuuuuuge native family branch in the Cold Lake area of Alberta and it's surrounding reserves. Huge. As in hundreds of cousins. I have no real negative initial reaction to most non-white people of any sort, black, asian, etc unless you are native. If you are native, the first thing that springs to my mind is what scummy trash, alcoholic, FAS bullshit am I about to put up with. It's awful, and it's most often wrong, and most of all it's entirely self-loathing but that's the way it is.

I'm also from the Texas of Canada, Alberta.
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I'm divided about your opinion Frank. I know many, many Native people who fit that bill, and I know a great more that aren't. I believe that your self loathing, line of work, coupled with the usual human behavior to look at the negative aspects of anything blind you to some really great people with Native ancestry.


#69

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

A female friend of mine had a poly relationship. Basically, she had a boyfriend and a girlfriend (the girl in the equation also had a boyfriend and both guys were totally okay with it). I never - and to this day, still don't fully - understand how something like that works, but if it made them happy, then all power to them.

Anyway, I was on a double date with the two girls and my girlfriend at the time (@Made Ya Blush, in fact, who can back me up on this one). As per usual with this female friend, the topic veered towards the subject of sex. We were all discussing our "number;" the number of people we've had full sexual relations with. When my friend listed hers, she of course, listed her girlfriend sitting next to her.

Without even thinking, I blurted out, "Does that count?" :oops:


#70

GasBandit

GasBandit

ThatNickGuy said:
A female friend of mine had a poly relationship. Basically, she had a boyfriend and a girlfriend (the girl in the equation also had a boyfriend and both guys were totally okay with it). I never - and to this day, still don't fully - understand how something like that works, but if it made them happy, then all power to them.

Anyway, I was on a double date with the two girls and my girlfriend at the time (@Made Ya Blush, in fact, who can back me up on this one). As per usual with this female friend, the topic veered towards the subject of sex. We were all discussing our "number;" the number of people we've had full sexual relations with. When my friend listed hers, she of course, listed her girlfriend sitting next to her.

Without even thinking, I blurted out, "Does that count?" :oops:
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Your third paragraph just answered your first paragraph. A lot of guys still, to this day, don't see lesbianism as "really sex," and therefore isn't cheating. It doesn't matter what lesbians do, these guys will just laugh and smile and point and whoop, even if one of the participants is their bisexual "girlfriend." There has to be a penis involved for them to suddenly flag the activity as sex. The moment there's a penis unveiled within 5 feet of their girlfriend, shit gets serious real fast.


#71

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Honestly, that's not how I feel. It was one of those drunken blurting out moments. Polyamorism I don't get. Lesbianism, sure.


#72

bhamv3

bhamv3

GasBandit said:
Your third paragraph just answered your first paragraph. A lot of guys still, to this day, don't see lesbianism as "really sex," and therefore isn't cheating. It doesn't matter what lesbians do, these guys will just laugh and smile and point and whoop, even if one of the participants is their bisexual "girlfriend." There has to be a penis involved for them to suddenly flag the activity as sex. The moment there's a penis unveiled within 5 feet of their girlfriend, shit gets serious real fast.
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Reminds me of this thing from Notalwaysworking.


#73

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

ThatNickGuy said:
Without even thinking, I blurted out, "Does that count?" :oops:
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#74

Gusto

Gusto

People cross the street to get away from me. And when I'm walking at night, I don't want to be near anyone.

For my answer? Earlier today at my new job, I was also training with an overweight black guy who during introductions said he was a musician. I immediately assumed jazz. This may have been because of his clothing too. And probably displays my ignorance towards music more than anything.


#75

GasBandit

GasBandit

bhamv3 said:
Reminds me of this thing from Notalwaysworking.
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Well, there's also that thing about how often people lie, including to doctors. I don't blame that doctor at all for wanting that test before moving on from there.

When I'm doing tech support, I always check the plugs first, even if they say they checked them.


#76

Calleja

Calleja

Mexicans can't be racist, silly.


(this is an immense, gigantic, colossal, giantly gargantuan, enormous, massive, massive, herculean just brobdingnagian lie)


#77

Frank

Frank

Calleja said:
Mexicans can't be racist, silly.


(this is an immense, gigantic, colossal, giantly gargantuan, enormous, massive, massive, herculean just brobdingnagian lie)
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No, just the one's that aren't white.

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ThatGrinningIdiot! said:
I'm divided about your opinion Frank. I know many, many Native people who fit that bill, and I know a great more that aren't. I believe that your self loathing, line of work, coupled with the usual human behavior to look at the negative aspects of anything blind you to some really great people with Native ancestry.
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I'm quite aware of how shitty my prejudices are and try quite hard to overcome them, no matter still they always spring to mind first. Canadians are very intolerant of the native populace.


#78

Bubble181

Bubble181

I love it when people use the word brobdingnagian. Though it's technically also a racist term, be it to a fictional people.


#79

Gusto

Gusto

I also dislike elves and fey. They be wily.


#80

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

it's okay to be racist to things that are not real, imo


#81

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I'm definitely a little leery of all those minotaurs hanging around the NSFW forum.


#82

Bubble181

Bubble181

Charlie Don't Surf said:
it's okay to be racist to things that are not real, imo
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If I can convince myself black people don't exist, I can be racist? Neat :p Self-delusion powers, activate!


#83

bhamv3

bhamv3

SpecialKO said:
I'm definitely a little leery of all those minotaurs hanging around the NSFW forum.
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That's so completely discriminatory of you. I'll have you know that minotaurs expose their penises as a sign of respect, it's a completely natural and very old part of their culture. Applying your own values towards the minotaur penis, and judging or fearing them, is the worst form of racism.


#84

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

bhamv3 said:
That's so completely discriminatory of you. I'll have you know that minotaurs expose their penises as a sign of respect, it's a completely natural and very old part of their culture. Applying your own values towards the minotaur penis, and judging or fearing them, is the worst form of racism.
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If they want to show those minotaur penises in public, they should make their own thread for those minotaur penises. That way, whenever someone visits this site looking for minotaur penises, they'll be going immediately to the appropriate thread that Google has indexed as having the most mentions of minotaur penises, and therefore being the most relevant to minotaur penises.

Those of us who don't like seeing minotaur penises shouldn't have to look at minotaur penises.


#85

dill616

dill616

I had to look up the definition of bigotry in order to properly answer this question.
  1. One who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.
  2. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, gender or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Damn...I'm a secular Safe Zone Ally with two African-American godchildren. I really try not to hate on people unless they give me a damn good reason. However, there is one group of people I can't mother f-ing stand; the anti-atheists or ignorant religious people. I recently had a pinterest comment war when I posted a link for Gen Spec to read about Atheist Wedding Vows. The first comments were supportive but then some girl I did not know had to add "Isnt this Pointless...just dont have a wedding...? Marriage is a religious thang...just curious ...not trying to pick on anyone."

My reply was "Marriage isn't a religious thing for everyone. For my fiance and I, it's about making a commitment to one another to love, support, and care for the other person no matter what comes our way. Also, it's a legal issue. We want to be married in the eyes of the law and not the lord (or higher power) that we don't believe in. This way, we both have rights and privileges over the other person should anything happen."

The one thing that got me was that I was getting advice and information from people who were unmarried, single women that did not know who I was or anything about me. One of my FAVORITE responses was from an early 20's girl who said:

Marriage is a biblical term. It's the coming together of Man and Woman in the eyes of Christ. So technically, marriage is a biblical subject. not saying you can't get married as an atheist, just clearing up water. :)​
-And as a Christian (or as 'anything') you make judgement every day. It's perfectly find to judge. To condemn a person? Us as humans are not called to condemn. If you consider yourself a Christian than you would consider Christianity as a practice in reading God's word, sharing his faith and living out life as a Christ follower... Love and acceptance come a long side that. I think all this person was asking is out of pure curiosity. And just because they asked the question doesn't mean they are a Christian wrongfully living out their faith. I personally think it's a beautiful thing when two people come together in marriage. You are committing yourself to one another and promising to live life as one together and to grow and raise a family and to benefit this world together. One piece of advice to any one getting married: Always choose to love your spouse. If you choose to love, you will never fall out of it. Choosing to love is always doing something in the best interest of others, even if it "hurts" and even if it costs you something (i.e. time). :)​
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When I showed the whole conversation (there were about 6 people involved) to [user]General Specific[/user] he couldn't believe it.

I was a bigot towards those intolerant, ignorant girls on pinterest who were planning weddings they'll never have and decorating houses straight out of a fairy tale. Put my in the stocks and let me serve my time! I was intolerant, angry, and plan pissed off. Naughty Dill! However, they can suck on my imaginary nutsack while I go off and live my happily ever after!

rant over


#86

Calleja

Calleja

Oh yeah, I'm definitely bigoted against really really religiously fanatic people... but that's been against what they think, is it really bigotry if it's something they have control over?


#87

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

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Frank said:
No, just the one's that aren't white.

/RACISM![DOUBLEPOST=1357648693][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm quite aware of how shitty my prejudices are and try quite hard to overcome them, no matter still they always spring to mind first. Canadians are very intolerant of the native populace.
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I don't mean to give you shit for your beliefs Frank, there are times I'm deeply ashamed of my race, it's not borne of simple prejudice either. It's from living on a reservation and seeing many negative stereotypes for myself. However, I can say with sincerity and confidence that many of us are trying to live as best as we can with what we know.


#88

Silent Bob

Silent Bob

Adam said:
I've found I've actually become more bigoted with exposure to Charlie, not less.
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Holy crap! I've felt the same way!


Anyway, being a PT, I find myself being extremely bigoted towards some of my larger patients. We set up stretches and exercises and food plans that are very specifically designed for the individual and to ease away from their current lifestyle. We consistently console these people and tell them they're going to die if they don't change - AND THEY STILL EAT AND DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It gets so frustrating sometimes, but the reward comes when there are people that actually do try.


#89

T

The_Khan

ThatGrinningIdiot! said:
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I don't mean to give you shit for your beliefs Frank, there are times I'm deeply ashamed of my race, it's not borne of simple prejudice either. It's from living on a reservation and seeing many negative stereotypes for myself. However, I can say with sincerity and confidence that many of us are trying to live as best as we can with what we know.
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unfortuneatly the nations of Canada have been pushed in this direction in large part by condescending white institutions. The shit that has been perpetuated on your people was cultural and physical, intentional genocide at the hands of an invasive force.

I count myself lucky for meeting a stolo guy whose parents managed to hide him from the residential schools and was able to grow up with the culture and language of his people. He taught me how to strip bark from cedar. Trees And turn it into usefull materials.

The technology and practices of traditional coast salish culture was advanced beyond most peoples realization but was destroyed because it didn't go ping.


#90

Terrik

Terrik

While some might say they're bigoted towards the very religious, I tend to find myself getting extremely irritated by the aggressive atheists. I actually find it difficult to read stuff by Dawkins, for instance, because he comes off as such a pompous ass. What's worse, is he's written some excellent biology books I'd probably love to read, but I can't bring myself to do so. I have the similar feelings about Bill Maher.


#91

Krisken

Krisken

I prefer my athiests to be more Stephen than Richard.


#92

Necronic

Necronic

Atheists are often some of the most bigoted people I meet, and Dawkins is their Grand Imperial Cyclops.


#93

T

The_Khan

I don't like frothing fanatics of any creed.

That said, I would highly recommend the book evolution for everybody if you want Intelligent discourse about evolution, collective habitation, altruism, etc.[DOUBLEPOST=1357746707][/DOUBLEPOST]
Necronic said:
Atheists are often some of the most bigoted people I meet, and Dawkins is their Grand Imperial Cyclops.
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If god exists or not does not effect my belief that some religious texts have good things to say about the human condition.


#94

Necronic

Necronic

I didn't choose St Thoms Aquinas-thug-life, St Thomas Aquinas-Thug-Life chose ME!


#95

Frank

Frank

The_Khan said:
unfortuneatly the nations of Canada have been pushed in this direction in large part by condescending white institutions. The shit that has been perpetuated on your people was cultural and physical, intentional genocide at the hands of an invasive force.

I count myself lucky for meeting a stolo guy whose parents managed to hide him from the residential schools and was able to grow up with the culture and language of his people. He taught me how to strip bark from cedar. Trees And turn it into usefull materials.

The technology and practices of traditional coast salish culture was advanced beyond most peoples realization but was destroyed because it didn't go ping.
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I honestly couldn't agree more. Indian Affairs is a fucking awful, money sucking, corrupt nonsense organization and those running it should probably be in jail. The whole thing sets up a system that promotes resentment on both sides.

All the current legislation being pushed forward is awful.


#96

dill616

dill616

Necronic said:
Atheists are often some of the most bigoted people I meet, and Dawkins is their Grand Imperial Cyclops.
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Not all of us act that way and the same for religious people. Honestly, I'd rather sit down and have a conversation with Stephen Fry, Bill Maher and Ricky Gervais than any scientist- except maybe for Neil deGrasse Tyson. He can come to. He's pretty awesome. I think Louis Theroux put is best in his documentary on the Ultra Zionists when he said that he didn't want to kill anyone and hoped no one wanted to kill him. Those were his religious beliefs summed up. I'm somewhat the same way. Please don't try to convert me and I will gladly do the same. Mutual respect.


#97

T

The_Khan

Necronic said:
I didn't choose St Thoms Aquinas-thug-life, St Thomas Aquinas-Thug-Life chose ME!
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Wow, lucky for me I felt like looking him up. Thanks for that, I've seen his name ba died about and we talked about him briefly in my uni phil 101 but I think I'm going to have to do more research of his work.


#98

Necronic

Necronic

Ok, it was unfair to say that Atheists are some of the most bigoted people around, it's clearly not true.

HOWEVER. If you look at bigotry as a function of education:

B(E) = k*1/E + C

Where C is some constant, I would have to say that Atheists have some of the higher "k-values" I have ever seen.

MATH.


#99

Krisken

Krisken

I'm bigoted toward math people. Pompous know it alls, the lot of them. I mean, speak English, not some crazy math number hybrid!


#100

GasBandit

GasBandit

Necronic said:
Ok, it was unfair to say that Atheists are some of the most bigoted people around, it's clearly not true.

HOWEVER. If you look at bigotry as a function of education:

B(E) = k*1/E + C

Where C is some constant, I would have to say that Atheists have some of the higher "k-values" I have ever seen.

MATH.
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****NEEERD*****


#101

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Krisken said:
I'm bigoted toward math people. Pompous know it alls, the lot of them. I mean, speak English, not some crazy math number hybrid!
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No, no, those are guys who speak in l33t. That's okay though, you need to be a math person to tell the difference.


#102

Calleja

Calleja

Necronic said:
Ok, it was unfair to say that Atheists are some of the most bigoted people around, it's clearly not true.

HOWEVER. If you look at bigotry as a function of education:

B(E) = k*1/E + C

Where C is some constant, I would have to say that Atheists have some of the higher "k-values" I have ever seen.

MATH.
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can you define the variables please?


#103

tegid

tegid

E is education, B is bigotry.


#104

GasBandit

GasBandit

Also, what's the point of putting k*1/E + C? Wouldn't it just be better notation to say k/E+C?


#105

Necronic

Necronic

Its just a practice I picked up at some point. Depending on what kind of math you are doing it makes more sense to cleanly seperate your variables and constants/coefficients.


#106

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

One time 20+ years ago I heavily hinted that I would kick these two African Americans' Asses if they did not leave the premises. I did not really hear what they said back above the noise of the two women yelling for them to get out of their car.


#107

Calleja

Calleja

We don't use "african american" anymore, not all black people are of African origin.


#108

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Calleja said:
We don't use "african american" anymore, not all black people are of African origin.
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All people are of African Origin.


#109

Calleja

Calleja

sixpackshaker said:
All people are of African Origin.
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Well then call yourself white african american and them black african americans.


#110

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Calleja said:
We don't use "african american" anymore, not all black people are of African origin.
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Well, yes and no. Many people use "African-American" to refer to black Americans of African origin. It's just that people are finally starting to acknowledge that there are millions of black Americans whose families are not of African origin.


#111

Calleja

Calleja

Which is why it's not cool today to use "African American" as the catch-all for "black people". I bet all my stocks in the stock trader and my Halbucks that sixpackshaker did not know the dudes' ethnic background.


#112

Necronic

Necronic

I used to live with a chick who was first generation Nigerian (her dad immigrated.) She hated be called "African-American". As she would put it "I'm not African American, I'm AFRICAN."


#113

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Calleja said:
Which is why it's not cool today to use "African American" as the catch-all for "black people". I bet all my stocks in the stock trader and my Halbucks that sixpackshaker did not know the dudes' ethnic background.
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Since the one that spoke had a Texas accent, I bet I could figure it out.


#114

Calleja

Calleja

sixpackshaker said:
Since the one that spoke had a Texas accent, I bet I could figure it out.
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Right, cause in 300 years his ancestors couldn't have moved around at all. If he has a Texan accent obviously his family has been there since they were slaves, 100% certain.


#115

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Calleja said:
Right, cause in 300 years his ancestors couldn't have moved around at all. If he has a Texan accent obviously his family has been there since they were slaves, 100% certain.
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When I was your age it was rude as fuck to call somebody black, because they are not actually black.


#116

Calleja

Calleja

And white people aren't actually white. They're pinkish. And any black person my age would balk at "african american".


#117

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

If we could get people to speak correctly/clearly, the term should go back to Negro. Because that is what the Spanish called the Taureg when they first came into contact, because the Taureg wore black clothing/robes.


#118

Calleja

Calleja

Umm.. why is that more "correct"? Negro is literally Spanish for black. As in, literally. I have a playera negra on right now.

And precisely because of the historical context with "negro", you'd get a fist to the face for calling someone that. Language changes. I don't understand why you refuse to look at the date when it comes to this, I assure you there are a lot of things that people were ok with saying when you were young that would be taboo today. The BLACK Power Movement is 50 years old. Using “black” also allows people to distinguish between Americans with slave ancestors, who may not have a close connection with Africa, and recent immigrants from Africa. This term also includes Americans of slave ancestry who immigrated from the Caribbean, as these individuals may feel more closely connected to places like Haiti or Jamaica than Africa.

What if someone from SPAIN who has moor ancestry moved to the states and had a son. Would you call him "african american" too? WHY!?


#119

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Both words pretty much have the same meaning and connotations, but you are bouncing off the roof because of it.


#120

Calleja

Calleja

Wow. You sure are deluded if you think that "negro" and "black" have the same connotation when referring to people in 2013. If I'm "bouncing off the roof" it's because of your completely illogical defense of an outdated and offensive to many term. Your defense is literally "that's what I grew up with". And, by the way, unless you're in your 70's I really doubt "black" was offensive when you were my age.


1968

And yes, black people who speak spanish call themselves "negros", but that's obviously different. Spanish speaking countries don't have the same history with slavery, the Spanish used the natives, they didn't need to import any.


#121

tegid

tegid

One younger cousin of mine took up 'gangsta' speech and said nigga' (in Spain, speaking in Spanish). He once told me how he had actually used it to talk to back people he met (once), and I was like, no dude you don't use that word! It's really really bad! And his (sincere) response was 'Oh, you're right, the right way to say it is African-American*, right?'

*Afroamericano, in Spanish.


#122

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Don't delude yourself about the slavery issue and Spain. Cuba, Dominican Republic, and on around the rest of the little sea, and into South America - but not as common there. Basically Mexico did not import the slaves as often as the other Spanish colonies.

But there is no real preference between Black and African American. The term African American gained prominence out of the Black Communities to give themselves the group identifier.


#123

Calleja

Calleja

I'm done. That's what I get for trying to apply logic to racism. "No real preference".


#124

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Read up on it, and don't take anecdotal evidence for what Millions of People think and feel.


#125

Calleja

Calleja

I think you're the one that needs to "read up on it", but I'm done, you're too racist for me to discuss this with.

The Spic out.


#126

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Really?[DOUBLEPOST=1357843916][/DOUBLEPOST]
Black or African American?

"African American" slightly preferred among those who have a preference

by Frank Newport
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE
PRINCETON, NJ -- One key principle of social science is the often substantial difference in human societies between reality and perception. When it comes to matters relating to racial and ethnic classifications, there are the biological facts of the matter (sometimes quite minor), and then socially created perceptions and patterns of behavior built from those differences.
One such socially created pattern is the label used to describe members of racial or ethnic groups. In the United States, the labels used to describe black Americans have undergone significant changes in the centuries since those of African origin first arrived on the continent. In recent times, two labels have been used most often to describe blacks in America -- "black" and "African American," but it is not generally clear what the preferred term is from the perspective of black Americans themselves. This is important, because it would appear than many non-blacks in America -- and editors and producers in the news media -- earnestly attempt to use the term that is most acceptable to the group being described.
There has been a good deal of survey research over the years in which blacks are asked about the label of choice from their perspective. In 1992, Tom Smith of the National Opinion Research Corporation reviewed the history of the use of labels for the black population in America in the journal Public Opinion Quarterly, and found that preferences were in part predicated on how the survey question was phrased. Smith's conclusion: "When given an explicit option of saying that they have no preference between the two terms [black and African American], between a plurality and a majority of blacks have no preference. However, among those with a preference, 'African American' has grown in acceptance although 'Black' is still preferred by more Blacks."
Gallup has, since the time of Smith's article, asked random samples of black Americans on a number of different occasions about their preferred terminology, using question wording that includes the explicit "doesn't matter" alternative.
Some people say the term "African-American" should be used instead of the word "black." Which term do you prefer -- "African-American" or "black," or does it not matter to you either way?


African American
Black
Doesn't matter
No opinion
Blacks
%
%
%
%
2007 Jun 4-24
24
13
61
1
2003 Jun 12-18
23
15
59
3
2000 Dec 15-18
19
13
66
2
1994 Aug 23-24 † ‡
18
17
60
5
1994 Apr 22-24 † ‡
21
13
64
3
1992 May 7-10 †
23
22
56
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1991 Jun 13-16 †
18
19
61
2

† = WORDING: "Some people say the term 'African-American' should be used instead of the word 'black.' Which term do you prefer -- 'African-American' or 'black,' or does it not matter to you?"
‡ = No opinion includes volunteered "other" responses.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20100906...up.com/poll/28816/Black-African-American.aspx


#127

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

I just want to point out that in NYC, "African-American" is a pretty commonly accepted blanket-term applied by many of people of different racial backgrounds, including African-Americans, to the black American community.

Less anecdotally, black Americans in recent years don't have a particular preference between "black" and "African-American" beyond a preference for the latter in formal situations.

Is that fair to black Caribbean-Americans (to say nothing of other Caribbean-Americans), who have a much different collection of racial backgrounds commingling? No, definitely not, and that's why there is a growing movement here towards promoting that term as a popular identifier for people with that background, but that doesn't make "African-American" offensive here.

That said, odds are very strong that sixpackshaker was right in his guess, as Caribbean-American communities tend to concentrate on the East Coast, particularly New York, not Texas.


#128

Necronic

Necronic

All I get from those poll numbers is that they are pretty errattic.


#129

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Necronic said:
All I get from those poll numbers is that they are pretty errattic.
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I don't think they were done by the same pollsters, just that they polled using similar questions. Also the early 90's is when African American first started gaining traction. It basically shows a trend for growing support for AA over Black.[DOUBLEPOST=1357853908][/DOUBLEPOST]On the bright side, I don't cheer for Washington DC teams.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/redskins-name-change-vincent-gray_n_2443004.html


#130

Necronic

Necronic

sixpackshaker said:
I don't think they were done by the same pollsters, just that they polled using similar questions.
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So in other words any trends there are meaningless (although the overall average values of ~15-20% AA vs Black aren't).


#131

SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Necronic said:
So in other words any trends there are meaningless (although the overall average values of ~15-20% AA vs Black aren't).
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No the numbers are from the same poll over time, which are all Gallup numbers. They don't show numbers from before 1991 because they can't swear by the methodology, but say that their numbers are in line with trends observed in previous ones.


#132

Necronic

Necronic

Ok, I know we are way off subject now, BUT

AA: 18 23 21 18 19 23 24

B: 19 22 13 17 13 15 13

It's hard for me to see any trend in either of those series. There really isn't one in the AA category, and *maybe* there is a trend in the B category but it's very hard to tell without seeing pre-91 data.


#133

Chippy

Chippy

I used to say "faggot" a lot, and justified it with "lol south park."


#134

Cajungal

Cajungal

This isn't me, but I spoke with a friend recently who often makes comments that don't sit right with me. She'll say something like, "My brother couldn't have moved to that neighborhood without getting a big dog." When I asked why, she said it's because it was a black neighborhood with a lot of crime, and black people are scared of dogs. :confused:

Also, this is different, but still weird to me. She always has to make a really big deal about someone's ethnicity/skin color/sexual orientation when describing someone. We were talking about her new job recently, and she started talking about one of the cooks. "She's just this cute little black lady with gold teeth who calls everybody sugar. Just a cute old southern black lady." Or another one, "He's this cute little gay guy, and he's got the sweetest boyfriend, and he always wears these really nice shoes.... he's just the cutest gay guy and I want him to take me shopping and talk to me about boys."

AARGH you really have to hear her tone for it to come across completely.


#135

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Cajungal said:
This isn't me, but I spoke with a friend recently who often makes comments that don't sit right with me. She'll say something like, "My brother couldn't have moved to that neighborhood without getting a big dog." When I asked why, she said it's because it was a black neighborhood with a lot of crime, and black people are scared of dogs. :confused:
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#136

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Cajungal said:
Also, this is different, but still weird to me. She always has to make a really big deal about someone's ethnicity/skin color/sexual orientation when describing someone.
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This annoys the hell out of me.

Or when I'm telling a story about someone, and early on certain relatives ask what the person's skin color is. Why the fuck does it matter?


#137

Cajungal

Cajungal

Quotemander Prime said:
This annoys the hell out of me.

Or when I'm telling a story about someone, and early on certain relatives ask what the person's skin color is. Why the fuck does it matter?
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I think I know why she and others do this. She takes a great deal of pride in being enlightened and accepting of all people. Now, to be fair, she is one of the least judgmental people I know... But I think she talks like that to showcase her diverse circle of friends.


#138

Bowielee

Bowielee

dill616 said:
Not all of us act that way and the same for religious people. Honestly, I'd rather sit down and have a conversation with Stephen Fry, Bill Maher and Ricky Gervais than any scientist- except maybe for Neil deGrasse Tyson. He can come to. He's pretty awesome. I think Louis Theroux put is best in his documentary on the Ultra Zionists when he said that he didn't want to kill anyone and hoped no one wanted to kill him. Those were his religious beliefs summed up. I'm somewhat the same way. Please don't try to convert me and I will gladly do the same. Mutual respect.
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Bill Maher doesn't belong on that list at all. He's a pompous douchebag who has no interest in having any discussions about religion vs atheism, but rather mocking people for having any sort of faith at all.

The rest I totally agree with.


#139

dill616

dill616

Bowielee said:
Bill Maher doesn't belong on that list at all. He's a pompous douchebag who has no interest in having any discussions about religion vs atheism, but rather mocking people for having any sort of faith at all.

The rest I totally agree with.
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He's there to add some spice!


#140

Frank

Frank

Chippy said:
I used to say "nice gay person" a lot, and justified it with "lol south park."
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I used to use it in a way that mocked people who used it as an insult and ended up using it just as much and the original intention was meaningless.


#141

Bowielee

Bowielee

dill616 said:
He's there to add some spice!
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Religiosity is literally the worst documentary I've ever seen.


#142

Krisken

Krisken

I watched ten minutes of it and stopped.


#143

Bubble181

Bubble181

Quotemander Prime said:
This annoys the hell out of me.

Or when I'm telling a story about someone, and early on certain relatives ask what the person's skin color is. Why the fuck does it matter?
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Because it helps with making a mental representation of a person. If someone is telling an anecdote "I was with my friend Irma, in the shopping mall, when all of a sudden the town drunk comes u pto us and...." etc, I'm trying to visualize that encounter. I know what the shopping mall looks like (or, if I don't know which one, I can still fill it in with info from my memories of several malls), I can imagine my friend. What does Irma look like? Without any other information, I'll make a mental picture based on the name, and who she was with - but I could be completely off. Ethnicity is one of the most "obvious" and immediately visible cues to describing a person's look. Not racist, just efficient.
If I tell you about my girlfriend, without showing a picture, and I tell you that she's got long dark brown hair, grey-blue eyes, and a big open slime, you still can't really picture her. I tell you she's tall, it helps a bit. I tell you she's white, it helps a lot. Body type is another one of those things. Discriminating against someone, disliking someone or being prejudiced towards someone based on ethnicity, body type, or whatever may be wrong; using them in a description isn't necessarily (though I always have to laugh with our patrol guards trying to be non-racist when describing people. "They're...ehhh...a sort of mediterranean look, but more south than north, if you know what I mean, err,..." :p Just say they looked Moroccan/Turkish/Egyptian and get it over with, dude), though it can be when used to stereotype someone.

Many aspects of looks are culturally bound (hence why "all asians look alike" to white people who aren't used to dealing with them, and vice versa, for example). Even skin colour - the same colour can be perceived as "lily white" or "deep tan" or whatever, depending on where you're from. The same person can be seen as "fairly light" or "coffee with cream", depending on where the describing person is from. Opposed to, say, eye-slant, hieight of cheeckbone, firmness of lips, size of ear, and a host of other descriptors, skin colour is one thing most anybody will notice about someone, though, and as such, is useful information.


#144

Frank

Frank

The stories I keep hearing about police treatment of Idle No More protesters are really beginning to bug me.

Really disgusting shit.


#145

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Frank said:
The stories I keep hearing about police treatment of Idle No More protesters are really beginning to bug me.

Really disgusting shit.
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Canada's treatment of natives kind of makes America's look good by comparison. Then again, most Canadians I've talked to have a pretty low opinion of their natives and the Idle No More movement. It's not really conducive to discourse when your opening statements accuse the predominately White government of continuing attempts at cultural genocide.


#146

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

AshburnerX said:
Canada's treatment of natives kind of makes America's look good by comparison.
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how is there a worse treatment than genocide


#147

GasBandit

GasBandit

Charlie Don't Surf said:
how is there a worse treatment than genocide
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There's having to listen to you talk about it...


#148

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Charlie Don't Surf said:
how is there a worse treatment than genocide
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I'm talking modern treatment. Last time I checked, it hasn't been routine for American Indians to get the boots put to them for speaking out against the American government since the 50's.


#149

Frank

Frank

Our government is putting out a straight up smear campaign against the chiefs that are leading the Idle No More as well.

As if pointing out that a chief isn't great with money makes it ok to demolish environmental protections so that companies like DeBeers can pour toxic sludge into waterways upstream from reservations.


#150

Eriol

Eriol

Charlie Don't Surf said:
how is there a worse treatment than genocide
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You missed "cultural genocide" which means "if we think we're being influenced by anybody, we've lost our native culture from hundreds of years ago, so pay us money to compensate." It's not killing people.


#151

Chad Sexington

Chad Sexington

Eriol said:
You missed "cultural genocide" which means "if we think we're being influenced by anybody, we've lost our native culture from hundreds of years ago, so pay us money to compensate." It's not killing people.
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He's saying the American's treatment was regular-type genocide.


#152

Eriol

Eriol

Chad Sexington said:
He's saying the American's treatment was regular-type genocide.
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Oh and there's examples of that in Canadian History as well, but "Cultural Genocide" as is in Ash's post that Charlie didn't completely quote is what I was responding to. That's a popular buzzword and quote amongst native protesters up here.


#153

Terrik

Terrik

Frank said:
Our government is putting out a straight up smear campaign against the chiefs that are leading the Idle No More as well.

As if pointing out that a chief isn't great with money makes it ok to demolish environmental protections so that companies like DeBeers can pour toxic sludge into waterways upstream from reservations.
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I have some questions actually. I have a good Canadian friend of mine here in China who has spoken at some length on this subject. He says at times it's hard to have a lot of sympathy for them for a variety of reasons. Namely, millions upon millions of dollars have been given to them, only to show up missing and their villages still without paved roads and terrible housing. Many villages (I believe it was over 60%) didn't even keep a record of the money given and when asked, couldn't account for it. It's also extremely difficult for these people to be integrated with Canada in any sort of fashion because they live hundreds of miles from any sort of civilization, where the only way to get supplies is by air, so building a wood shack costs $250,000 since everything to build it has to be flown in, and they shouldn't be surprised when they have absolutely no economic development for it. A large majority are also substance abusers of a large variety. He also claims that a lot of natives abuse the special environmental privileges, like fishing, based on ancestral hunting grounds by using modern, high-tech equipment and overfish lakes without any concern for a sustainable population because they are not subject to the same limits as other Canadians.

Of course he acknowledges Canada hasn't always been on the up 'n up in their treatment of them, including taking children from their homes and placing them in boarding schools all the way up to the 1970's.

Would this be a(n) (un)fair representation of the situation or at least a general representation of the Canadian opinion about the Natives?


#154

Eriol

Eriol

Terrik said:
I have some questions actually. I have a good Canadian friend of mine here in China who has spoken at some length on this subject. He says at times it's hard to have a lot of sympathy for them for a variety of reasons. Namely, millions upon millions of dollars have been given to them, only to show up missing and their villages still without paved roads and terrible housing. Many villages (I believe it was over 60%) didn't even keep a record of the money given and when asked, couldn't account for it. It's also extremely difficult for these people to be integrated with Canada in any sort of fashion because they live hundreds of miles from any sort of civilization, where the only way to get supplies is by air, so building a wood shack costs $250,000 since everything to build it has to be flown in, and they shouldn't be surprised when they have absolutely no economic development for it. A large majority are also substance abusers of a large variety. He also claims that a lot of natives abuse the special environmental privileges, like fishing, based on ancestral hunting grounds by using modern, high-tech equipment and overfish lakes with any concern for a sustainable population because they are not subject to the same limits as other Canadians.

Of course he acknowledges Canada hasn't always been on the up 'n up in their treatment of them, including taking children from their homes and placing them in boarding schools all the way up to the 1970's.

Would this be a(n) (un)fair representation of the situation or at least a general representation of the Canadian opinion about the Natives?
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I'd call that relatively fair from a "view from outside big summary" perspective IMO.


#155

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

I am First Nations Ojibwe hailing from the Wikwemikong Unceded reservation located on the largest freshwater island in the world.

What you've said Terrik is the perspective Canadians have of us, it's not entirely untrue, there are many cases of abuse, however, as I mentioned to Frank in a previous post - there are alot of good people who are living as best they can with the knowledge they have. It's a shame that the media is so ready to highlight our flaws rather than praise any of us on our merits. But bad news sells better, hmmm?

Also, I say with this much respect to all. Please, don't make the mistake of thinking we need to be "integrated" with Canadian society. My people, my culture were doing just fine before the advent of the European settlers coming to this continent. If you believe we need to be assimilated, we neither want nor need your brand of "help". If I can make a statment here - people don't get to invade our country, continually mistreat us throughout the centuries then criticise us for not being modern like the rest of society. Sorry it doesn't work that way. Also, if you've looked at our history of mistreatment and believe that simply throwing money at us, it solves all problems, you are woefully ignorant of us.

Though I seem calm, I assure you I'm shaking with rage here. I'm growing tired of the countless atrocities perpetuated on my people, and I'm not the only one. These issues need to be resolved and soon, otherwise we may well be headed down another dark and tumultuous period of history. A road I fervently hope we don't go down again.


#156

Frank

Frank

Terrik said:
I have some questions actually. I have a good Canadian friend of mine here in China who has spoken at some length on this subject. He says at times it's hard to have a lot of sympathy for them for a variety of reasons. Namely, millions upon millions of dollars have been given to them, only to show up missing and their villages still without paved roads and terrible housing. Many villages (I believe it was over 60%) didn't even keep a record of the money given and when asked, couldn't account for it. It's also extremely difficult for these people to be integrated with Canada in any sort of fashion because they live hundreds of miles from any sort of civilization, where the only way to get supplies is by air, so building a wood shack costs $250,000 since everything to build it has to be flown in, and they shouldn't be surprised when they have absolutely no economic development for it. A large majority are also substance abusers of a large variety. He also claims that a lot of natives abuse the special environmental privileges, like fishing, based on ancestral hunting grounds by using modern, high-tech equipment and overfish lakes without any concern for a sustainable population because they are not subject to the same limits as other Canadians.

Of course he acknowledges Canada hasn't always been on the up 'n up in their treatment of them, including taking children from their homes and placing them in boarding schools all the way up to the 1970's.

Would this be a(n) (un)fair representation of the situation or at least a general representation of the Canadian opinion about the Natives?
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That's one side. The whole system is designed to foster resentment on both sides.


#157

T

The_Khan

ThatGrinningIdiot! said:
I am First Nations Ojibwe hailing from the Wikwemikong Unceded reservation located on the largest freshwater island in the world.

What you've said Terrik is the perspective Canadians have of us, it's not entirely untrue, there are many cases of abuse, however, as I mentioned to Frank in a previous post - there are alot of good people who are living as best they can with the knowledge they have. It's a shame that the media is so ready to highlight our flaws rather than praise any of us on our merits. But bad news sells better, hmmm?

Also, I say with this much respect to all. Please, don't make the mistake of thinking we need to be "integrated" with Canadian society. My people, my culture were doing just fine before the advent of the European settlers coming to this continent. If you believe we need to be assimilated, we neither want nor need your brand of "help". If I can make a statment here - people don't get to invade our country, continually mistreat us throughout the centuries then criticise us for not being modern like the rest of society. Sorry it doesn't work that way. Also, if you've looked at our history of mistreatment and believe that simply throwing money at us, it solves all problems, you are woefully ignorant of us.

Though I seem calm, I assure you I'm shaking with rage here. I'm growing tired of the countless atrocities perpetuated on my people, and I'm not the only one. These issues need to be resolved and soon, otherwise we may well be headed down another dark and tumultuous period of history. A road I fervently hope we don't go down again.
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I would just like to say, not all Canadians see it that way. Than again, I've never been a vary popular person.


#158

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

No worries, I don't believe that opinion is actually the majority. Just a small, angry, and vocal minority.


#159

Terrik

Terrik

ThatGrinningIdiot! said:
I am First Nations Ojibwe hailing from the Wikwemikong Unceded reservation located on the largest freshwater island in the world.

What you've said Terrik is the perspective Canadians have of us, it's not entirely untrue, there are many cases of abuse, however, as I mentioned to Frank in a previous post - there are alot of good people who are living as best they can with the knowledge they have. It's a shame that the media is so ready to highlight our flaws rather than praise any of us on our merits. But bad news sells better, hmmm?

Also, I say with this much respect to all. Please, don't make the mistake of thinking we need to be "integrated" with Canadian society. My people, my culture were doing just fine before the advent of the European settlers coming to this continent. If you believe we need to be assimilated, we neither want nor need your brand of "help". If I can make a statment here - people don't get to invade our country, continually mistreat us throughout the centuries then criticise us for not being modern like the rest of society. Sorry it doesn't work that way. Also, if you've looked at our history of mistreatment and believe that simply throwing money at us, it solves all problems, you are woefully ignorant of us.

Though I seem calm, I assure you I'm shaking with rage here. I'm growing tired of the countless atrocities perpetuated on my people, and I'm not the only one. These issues need to be resolved and soon, otherwise we may well be headed down another dark and tumultuous period of history. A road I fervently hope we don't go down again.
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Well, as someone who deals with this, what would be ideal in your mind? Would you prefer to be left entirely alone, even if it meant less or no funding from the Canadian government? Do the First Nations have plans to be economically self-sufficient without Canadian assistance or do First Nations people want economic support but political autonomy? In regards to things like the DeBeers diamond mine---is that something that shouldn't be built? Or built and (more) shares of the profits given to the Native peoples land it occupies? or high-salary jobs? I've tried doing by own research, but truth be told, its usually full of flowery political speech with no real content. So as someone who's First Nations himself, what would be a preferable state of affairs?


#160

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

Having a decent economic sustainability would be the first real step towards achieving political autonomy as we greatly prefer to govern ourselves, the less funding that is granted/needed by the Canadian government -- the better. I can't speak for all reserves, but ours does have it's own plans to generate income. Our problem at the moment is we lack the skills, funding, and drive to see these projects to fruition, they are serious problems though I am confident they will be resolved -- for those wondering, an idea for a casino/resort/bar and grill was put forth as tourism is one of our main sources of income, one of many plans. In regards to DeBeers diamond mine or any other lucrative industrial businesses, I would love to see these in reservations as they can greatly aid finances for those bands. However as you said so succinctly; any time a contract is drawn up by those companies, they're full of flowery business/political words that favor the companies in the long term that is ultimately detrimental to the people. A balanced partnership would fix this, but my people and the companies in question never seem to be able to compromise on what is 'fair'.

tl;dr version - more economic stability = political autonomy, 99 problems to work on, it's a bitch to work through all of them.


#161

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I'd be opposed to the DeBeers diamond mine, if only because they've used nigh illegal tactics to corner the diamond market and keep competing diamonds off the streets. I really doubt they'd honor any contract, especially with a group that doesn't have the clout or resources to fight them over it.


#162

ThatGrinningIdiot!

ThatGrinningIdiot!

You have a good point Ash, since the treatment and cleanup of the environment is often the biggest point of contention between us, the government, and any corporations involved when drawing up kind of formal contract.


#163

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

I find myself growing a tad anti-American every time GasBandit starts one of his trademark libertarian tirades. Particularly the ones about armed civilians against a tyrannical government.


#164

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

North_Ranger said:
I find myself growing a tad anti-American every time GasBandit starts one of his trademark libertarian tirades. Particularly the ones about armed civilians against a tyrannical government.
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Why wouldn't you just grow anti-gas?


#165

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

I blame the fact that the argument, nobly pronounced by men of conviction and smashing wigs, has been adopted by the kind of people I wouldn't trust with a BB gun.


#166

GasBandit

GasBandit

North_Ranger said:
I blame the fact that the argument, nobly pronounced by men of conviction and smashing wigs, has been adopted by the kind of people I wouldn't trust with a BB gun.
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So when people you don't like adopt an argument you agree with, you don't agree with that argument any more? Sounds reasonable.

But, in all fairness, I have to point out that the reason why my posts are long, forceful and repeated is because the great majority of my countrymen are not in agreement with me - which may come as a surprise to you I'm sure. :whistling:


#167

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

GasBandit said:
So when people you don't like adopt an argument you agree with, you don't agree with that argument any more? Sounds reasonable.
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If that were true, I'd be against (reasonable) environmentalism. Y'know, because of the Austrian guy with the funny moustache.

I understand the ideal, I just don't like it when people prefer idealism to, say, dead kids. Or this whole "if X happens, it's going to be civil war" mentality. Or "if X happens, we're gonna live in the Soviet Union/North Korea/Nazi Germany/some other place I don't like". But that's just me.


#168

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

North_Ranger said:
If that were true, I'd be against (reasonable) environmentalism. Y'know, because of the Austrian guy with the funny moustache.

I understand the ideal, I just don't like it when people prefer idealism to, say, dead kids. Or this whole "if X happens, it's going to be civil war" mentality. Or "if X happens, we're gonna live in the Soviet Union/North Korea/Nazi Germany/some other place I don't like". But that's just me.
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In fairness, most of these things aren't related.


#169

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

They still piss me off.


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