Product Placement

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Chibibar

It doesn't break immersion, it breaks action. Like the infamous infodump. The movie essentially pauses for a moment to talk about the shoes, which is why they stand out so much.
funny thing is that, until it was actually mention on this thread. I never thought it broke any action or immersion. I just accepts it that the guy like old shoes. It made me think like that cop in Demolition Man where she spends most of her credits on old fashion contraband. Real people are like that.
 

ElJuski

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At the point when I walk into the movie theatre expecting a movie with will smith fighting robots, I stop caring about the REALITY of the character liking shoes. It's a stupid aside in an action film that isn't necessary except to shell shoes.
 
Mission to Mars was apparently really bad for product placement. I saw the movie when I was like 13 so I have no memory of it.
 

fade

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Yet for some reason you feel compelled to buy Coca-Cola and Nikes whenever you see them. That's how good they were...
 
See, it totally takes me out of the moment. I'm all into the story and all of the sudden someone's all "Wait, I have to stop and enjoy an ice Cold Coca cola. Okay, back to the gang bang."

Product placement has all but ruined mainstream pornography.
 

ElJuski

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...why are Seth Green, Turk and that guy from Road Trip doing......... well, THAT!?

make it stop!!

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Oh my god!! And Nightcrawler is their manager!! The horror!!

When bad things happen to good actors.
Dude. It's such a good movie. WATCH IT.
 
Is that a serious recommendation? Cause i take serious Jooski recommendations seriously, but if that is a sarcastic recommendation then I don't want to take it seriously because that looks like a shitty as fuck movie with boy bands and shit.
 

ElJuski

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The whole movie is a surprisingly amazing critique of shallow pop culture and product placement. You should watch the clip again. The song is called "Back Door Lover".

"DuJour means family." Fucking hilarious.
 
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Chazwozel

Zombieland made me crave Twinkies and Code Red Mountain Dew like a motherfucker...
 
See? Zombieland is a perfect example. The whole "quest" of one of the main characters is for a twinky. It's random and absurd and hilarious, and then when you find the motivation a bit deep even, but it works cause you KNOW what he's looking for. We've all had twinkies (El Submarino! LMAO... to be fair we DO have twinky-look alikes called submarinos, but we also have actual twinkies). If he had been looking for a "Twatty" cake or something it would just have pulled you out of the empathy.
 
See? Zombieland is a perfect example. The whole "quest" of one of the main characters is for a twinky. It's random and absurd and hilarious, and then when you find the motivation a bit deep even, but it works cause you KNOW what he's looking for. We've all had twinkies (El Submarino! LMAO... to be fair we DO have twinky-look alikes called submarinos, but we also have actual twinkies). If he had been looking for a "Twatty" cake or something it would just have pulled you out of the empathy.
Well if he had been looking for "Twatty Cake", I'm pretty sure he would not have been looking for something to eat anymore. Taste perhaps, but not eat.
 
There is a fine line that one must walk when it comes to product placement. Here are my rules.

1) Don't over-saturate with products. When a movie simply throws a new product at you every five minutes, it can get rather insulting. For the ultimate example, watch "Mac and Me", the poor man's ET.

2) If you do wish to have products, don't show them off like you are in a commercial. I, Robot was not annoying because Will Smith was wearing Converse, but was annoying because just him putting them on was like a shoe commercial with him tying the laces, nodding with glee and eye raping them because of how awesome they were. Around the point you forget about the shoe commercial-in-a-movie, he has to bring them up again about how awesome his vintage CONVERSE shoes were and how annoyed he was that the robots damaged them.

3) If you just have to draw a huge amount of attention to a certain product, weave it into the main plot as more then just a random product. An example of this being done well is Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle. It was basically a massive White Castle advertisement hidden in a comedy, but because they weaved it into the story rather then having it an aside, it actually worked.
 
Actually, Harold and Kumar didn't start out as a White Castle advertisement... it just so happened that the writers all agreed that it's very definitive taste and it would be a craving that anyone who's eaten at White Castle would understand (as to anyone who found out the hard way that White Castle is a regional place, not a national one, can attest to). It actually worked BECAUSE of the product being advertised, rather than in spite of it. You couldn't have done that movie with a place like McDonalds or KFC.
 
White Castle is a food chain, it is still a product.
It's also a product that enhanced the media it was in, which was a pretty poor stoner flick otherwise. If it hadn't featured White Castle (or starred two non-white actors in the leads, but that's another topic...) it never would have done as well as it did. I'm fairly certain it stops being product placement what the product is actually more loved than the feature shilling it.
 

fade

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Aw, whatever. It was funny, and it broke the conventions of comedy movies. Christopher Meloni's performance alone was awesome, and it involved neither White Castle nor a non-white actor.
 

ElJuski

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White Castle didn't comission that movie; rather, a bunch of writers remember quite fondly what it's like to hit up a White Castle at 2am. Which is the best time to eat a slider.
 
It's also a product that enhanced the media it was in, which was a pretty poor stoner flick otherwise. If it hadn't featured White Castle (or starred two non-white actors in the leads, but that's another topic...) it never would have done as well as it did. I'm fairly certain it stops being product placement what the product is actually more loved than the feature shilling it.
I don't know. When I saw the movie, I lived in California. Over there we don't even have White Castle. All my friends never even heard of White Castle, and I only knew the name from someone mentioning it in passing. We still all loved the movie regardless of the fact it was White Castle. Whether it would have done better with McDonalds or KFC, I don't know, and really, neither can you.

White Castle didn't comission that movie;
No brand company ever "commissions' a movie, otherwise it would just be a commercial. Product placement happens when a production company goes to another company and basically says "Hey, we want to have you in our movie, what will you give us for promoting you?" The company then does one of a few things. (or all of the things)

A) They send a nice check for having the main character drop that "he wants a coke" while walking up to a coke machine, or pulls out some slick shoes and has to put them on going "Oh yeah".
B) Supplies them with needed items that are required for filming, like how Michael Bay got all 69 with GM so that he could have all his cars he needed for filming Transformers.
C) Supplies them with locations and approvals to film at those locations. For instance, the White Castle in Harold and Kumar.

In the end, it's all about advertising, it is all product placement. The only time you can say product placement never happens in a movie, is if you never talk about, show, or use any actual brand product at any point in the movie. That goes the same for written names, logos, etc...

We were taught in film school to actually set scenes to make sure certain products were not even visible for legal reason, like Coca-Cola can actually get on your ass if they don't approve of you using the coke machine in a movie, and Mercedes even has stipulations that they will not allow one of their cars to be used in a movie crash in which someone dies. All brands need the consent of the company that owns them.

And that is my insider film lesson of the day.
 

ElJuski

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Okay, so White Castle paid for a bunch of it. Doesn't remove the merit of the film as being beyond a PAYCHECK. The movie wasn't made because somebody wanted a PAYCHECK from White Castle. Just because White Castle fronted the cash for the movie doesn't take away from it's integrity as an idea or comedy film.
 
Just because White Castle fronted the cash for the movie doesn't take away from it's integrity as an idea or comedy film.
Can you point out where I said it did?

It was basically a massive White Castle advertisement hidden in a comedy, but because they weaved it into the story rather then having it an aside, it actually worked.
Really, I think you got a little defensive. I was praising White Castle and the movie for taking something that could have been seen as a giant advertisement, and made it work despite it. That is what I mean by successfully weaving the product into the story, rather then having it as a quick and pointless aside designed only to get some extra budget money.
 

Cajungal

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Hell, I don't know for sure. That's what I thought, anyway, since it was Juski, and he seems to enjoy saying hyperbolic and silly things, sometimes using italics and caps.
 
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Philosopher B.

Zombieland made me crave Twinkies and Code Red Mountain Dew like a motherfucker...
I saw that movie with my brothers and afterwards we actually went to the Acme and got a pack of Twinkies ...

I REGRET NOTHING.
 

Cajungal

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It just seems like one of those things I should do. I also want to try Spam--AND I wanna go to the Spam factory, just so I can record how it smells.
 
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Philosopher B.

Yesss. Spongy creamy goodness. I actually only eat them once in a blue moon, but ... it's an enjoyable blue moon. :heart:
 

Cajungal

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Eat a Twinkie

Go to Spam Factory

Stay at the Lizzie Bordon B+B
...Seems like one of those should be crossed off my "weird things to do" list by now.
 
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