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Revolution for gun control comes to an end via technology?

#1



Chibibar

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-...-that-ends-gun-control-is-a-technological-one

Interesting article. considering that a lot of parts can be made with plastic (hard plastic) but some part still made from metal, I guess the question would be how do you have gun control when people can buy legitimate parts and make weapon out of it?


#2

GasBandit

GasBandit

I think your thread title's a little backwards there, Chibi. Your title would indicate that technology is aiding gun control, when what you and the article are saying is the opposite - that technological innovation is making gun control impossible.


#3



Chibibar

oh wait.... you are right. I should remove the world against!

edit: bleh. I can't change my title.


#4

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I tried to read the article, but they kept guessing where I am, and the pop ups get in the way a bit... so I did not finish the article.

Zip-Guns have been around for years, but guns have gotten so cheap and prevalent that kids don't need to make them at home anymore.


#5

GasBandit

GasBandit

... and I like this picture:



#6

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Amazingly, it's ending the same way I predicted it would: With the advent of the replicator. OK sure... it's not like the one on Star Trek, but a 3D printer is pretty close.


#7

GasBandit

GasBandit

sixpackshaker said:
I tried to read the article, but they kept guessing where I am, and the pop ups get in the way a bit... so I did not finish the article.

Zip-Guns have been around for years, but guns have gotten so cheap and prevalent that kids don't need to make them at home anymore.
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Adblock is your friend and bodyguard in these days of the internet.

Basically, what the article was saying was that the specific part of a gun that makes it a "gun" in the eyes of the law is the receiver, and the way the law works you can manufacture a receiver to about 80% completion, and the technology to finish the manufacture is so cheap and available now thanks to technology that basically you can buy the biggest, scariest assault weapon you can think of in parts and assemble it yourself. And that this is already happening in a form in pakistan with "homebuilt" AK-47s.

Or, conversely, you get a 3D printer, print up some of these in plastic -



and then put the other gun parts into it and voila - instant military-grade assault rifle. No serial numbers, no waiting periods, no registrations.


#8



Chibibar

I use noscript and ABP :)

Yea. Zipgun are usually single shot (the one I know of) but the pakistan homebuilt Ak-47 is kinda scary.

My friend told me that a lot of assault weapon have plastic parts, so I guess with the right machine tools I can make a barrel and trigger mechanism.

3D printer can cut plastic now, but I figure with the right blades or even water saw, I'm sure you could cut metal in the future :)


#9

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I think the only parts of a gun that need to be metal are the barrel, bolt, and spring. Basically anything that touches the bullet. However, many guns that are mainly plastic have a tendency to melt under heavy, continuous use. These are problems that the XM8 and the FN-SCAR have had in field testing and is one of the main reasons they are being declined for mass circulation in the armed forces.


#10

Null

Null

And I recall the plastic furniture of the rightfully maligned L-85 would soften and deform when exposed to insect repellent spray.


#11

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Null said:
And I recall the plastic furniture of the rightfully maligned L-85 would soften and deform when exposed to insect repellent spray.
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That is the type of thing you only find out in the field. Most boffins don't think that way.


#12

strawman

strawman

Go to your local tech shop or maker space and take the classes for the milling machine and metal lathe. Then you can build anything - including a firearm.


#13

bhamv3

bhamv3

So, basically, the key to gun control isn't to limit who gets guns, but to limit who gets ammo?

I'd like to see your 3D printer print gunpowder!


#14

Tress

Tress

bhamv3 said:
So, basically, the key to gun control isn't to limit who gets guns, but to limit who gets ammo?

I'd like to see your 3D printer print gunpowder!
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#15

bhamv3

bhamv3

Chris Rock stole my bit. :(


#16

CrimsonSoul

CrimsonSoul

Chibibar said:
oh wait.... you are right. I should remove the world against!

edit: bleh. I can't change my title.
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You can change the title, on the main General forum,look at your post, on the far right side is a button that says edit. Click on it and you can change the title.


#17

Dave

Dave

CS beat me to it. Probably because I went into the Admin Panel to make sure I had the permissions set right before I answered.


#18



Chibibar

heh. I usually sits in "what's new" area so never notice that option before.


#19

CrimsonSoul

CrimsonSoul

:ninja:


#20

Dave

Dave

You can also do it right from this thread. Click "Thread Tools" on the top right and click "Edit Thread".


#21

Neon Pirate

Neon Pirate

bhamv3 said:
So, basically, the key to gun control isn't to limit who gets guns, but to limit who gets ammo?

I'd like to see your 3D printer print gunpowder!
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That can be made pretty easily too...expensive to start but you can always find the necessary works at gun shows, garage sales and craigslist...
http://www.instructables.com/id/Gunpowder/


#22

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Gunpowder is the easy part of the equation. Hell, making the individual components isn't that hard. But combining the bullet with the brass with the primer? You basically NEED a press for it and those cost a fair amount. You also need to know the proper amount of gunpowder for each round or your going to be squiding rounds in your gun... or blowing your gun up.


#23

Null

Null

AshburnerX said:
Gunpowder is the easy part of the equation. Hell, making the individual components isn't that hard. But combining the bullet with the brass with the primer? You basically NEED a press for it and those cost a fair amount. You also need to know the proper amount of gunpowder for each round or your going to be squiding rounds in your gun... or blowing your gun up.
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If I'm not mistaken, there are reference guides for that sort of thing. In fact, I think a lot of the yearly "Shooter's Bible" compendiums have round / powder load guides for people who are into reloading their cartridges. And sites like this: http://ammoguide.com/


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