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I’ll be honest, I know little about this subject.

I have a built-in mechanism where too much of a thing, turns me off from wanting to learn but I see people with various sorts of tablets and I’m intrigued.

But I don’t want to get fucked over by buying the wrong thing.

This is how I feel.

I’d like to try out a tablet. I think maybe reading a book on a road on a small portable device may be kind of intriguing and interesting to me. I’d like to surf the web with it. Maybe even play a few select games.

I like functionality, I like to be able to download and use new bells and whistles.

There’s so many options out there… IPads, Androids, Kindle Fire, Playbooks.

What am I to do?

Sincerely,
The Jay.
 
If you want to go budget, kindle fire is the way to go. It's great for web surfing, books, movies, and Android games, for $199. You're not going to get a better bang for your buck.

If you feel like this is something you're going to use a lot, and you want as many bells and whistles as possible, as well as a ton of aftermarket support, then go full hog and get an ipad. It's going to have the most wow factor, and offer the most general usability.

There are cheaper ways to go, but those are usually best for people that have a specific need and can customize what they want.

Edit- Regarding the playbook: lol no. Just no.
 
Budget? Go for the Kindle Fire. It'll do everything you'd need it to do. If you're willing to spend $50 more and get twice the power and better resolutions, do like me and get a Nook Tablet.

The preinstalled nonsense doesn't matter because you're going to root that thing in 5 minutes the moment you get it home and charged. Once that's done, enjoy unlimited downloaded content and make sure to get a case that folds out to be it's own stand-up. Enjoy.

Known problem for any tablet 7'' or bigger: Men have trouble carrying them around due to being too big to carry around in a pocket. Be ready to carry something in your hand whenever you need it.
 
iPad, nothing else comes close. There's a reason the closet competitor is $300 cheaper and strips away all traces of the Android interface.
 
There's nothing the iPad offers over the Nook Tablet to justify $300 by a mile.
But, but, but that can't be true. It's made by Apple, and they're the bestestest company EVAR! That alone is worth $300, not to mention how trendy and unique owning an Apple product makes me. Besides, it's an Apple product, so it can never get infected by a virus or taken over by a Flashback Trojan botnet.

/sarcasm
 
I think my favorite Apple fanboism of the last week or so had to be the adding of Instagram to Android. It even got an article on CNN over how "upset" Apple users were over it. It's hilarious.
 
:)

Can you recommend/link a model online, for example off Amazon? I'm intrigued by your nook.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Barnes-Noble-Tablet-Version-BNTV250/dp/1400501466

I got that version and bought a seperate 32gb Micro SD card for dirt cheap to go with it.

It's key to know that there is a 8gb version of the Nook Tablet for the same price as the Kindle Fire, HOWEVER, that Nook Tablet has the same power as the Fire. The 16gb version of the Nook Tablet is the one you're looking for. I dunno about in CA but in the US if you buy from an actual B&N store, you get a pretty heft discount for the Tablet itself.

Finally, the difference between rooting the 8gb version and the 16gb version is huge. There currently is no easy way to root the 8gb version where the 16gb version literally takes 5 minutes and zero PC knowledge to get the thing fully customizable and "hacked" as well as it's impossible "brick/ruin" the Nook because you can instantly go back to factory settings with the push of a few buttons.
 
Excellent. I already got a 64 GB memory card... I er.... found it.

Definitely on my short list.

I thank you for this Shegs.

But of course I hope I can borrow some time from Grandmaster Pat and get his feedback as well.
 

Necronic

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There's nothing the iPad offers over the Nook Tablet to justify $300 by a mile.
I'm no apple fanboy but I think this is questionable:

-iPad has a substantially larger app store than android does, and the Nook doesn't even have access to the full android store

-No camera vs front and back camera which supports facetime (5 megapixel w/ stabilizers)

-No access to a video store (I don't know if this is still true.)

-iPad 2 has better processor (A5X, although I'm not sure it's that much better)

-iPad 2 has significantly better screen resolution (2048 I think, it's ridiculous)

-Larger screen (although this goes both ways since you are right that you can't put it in your pocket and it also weighs more)

-Better battery life (surprisingly)

-Better starting bells/whistles (Facetime, Siri, Gestures, etc vs Hulu Plus and Netflix).

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The main advantage is the access to the App store and the camera, but this may be outweighed by the fact that the Nook can be booted from an SD which opens up a ton of possibilities, and the iPad is super expensive. But for that price you get some expanded versatility and acess that you may have more difficulty with on the nook.

That said, if you're going to go the hackish route it may be worth looking at the Asus Transformer Prime tf201. Spec wise it's very close to the iPad.
 
Necronic said:
I'm no apple fanboy but I think this is questionable:

-iPad has a substantially larger app store than android does, and the Nook doesn't even have access to the full android store
With a fully rooted Nook (The only reason to buy it) you have access to the Android App store, The Amazon App store and the Barnes and Noble app store. It's also about Quality over Quantity.

Necronic said:
-No camera vs front and back camera which supports facetime (5 megapixel w/ stabilizers)
Yeah, you hold up that 10'' Tablet to take pictures. You go right ahead. (Facetime is a nice feature but not worth $300)

Necronic said:
-No access to a video store (I don't know if this is still true.)
Netflix/Blockbuster/Amazon etc

Necronic said:
-iPad 2 has better processor (A5X, although I'm not sure it's that much better)
It is better. Not $300 better.

Necronic said:
-iPad 2 has significantly better screen resolution (2048 I think, it's ridiculous)
You're completely right. If someone feels the need for it. I find the screen resolution on the Nook amazing for short video watching, which is all you'd ever really use a tablet for unless you're on long trips by bus or airplane.

Necronic said:
-Larger screen (although this goes both ways since you are right that you can't put it in your pocket and it also weighs more)
There's an entire article on CNN Tech about how 7'' is the "sweet spot" for a handheld device. 4-5'' is too small, 10'' is uncessarily too big.

Necronic said:
-Better battery life (surprisingly)
I dunno about anyonelses needs but 9hrs of video and 11hrs of reading is more than enough than I need on a single charge.

Necronic said:
-Better starting bells/whistles (Facetime, Siri, Gestures, etc vs Hulu Plus and Netflix).
All available within 5 minutes of getting the Nook home with the exception of Siri which (to me) is just a silly gimmick for my own personal use (I have tried it).

The reason the iPad and other tablets are more expensive are slightly better processing (literally the difference in loading is in miliseconds), bigger screen (see CNN Sweet Spot article) and a camera. That's just not enough to justify to me, the extra $300.
 
Noticed it's not for sale within Canada (or I may have to research it a bit more at home). Not that's it's my final decision but direct delivery = $45 U.S.

Kinda douchy.
 
It's also about Quality over Quantity.
There are a very few well done android tablet apps. The rest are utter and complete garbage. Oh, you can can run them and do what they're meant to do, but the android ecosystem makes it hard for programmers to deliver the quality you suggest it has. Most people still use a ton of android apps developed for phones and smaller platforms - it's one of the reasons the medium sized tablets are doing so well, the small apps don't look absolutely horrible on the 7" display in the same way they do on a 10" display, and app developers just aren't developing for the 10". Now that the kindle is out, a lot of developer are specifically targeting the medium sized screens, but it's still a very limited ecosystem.

In this case the iPad has both quantity and quality on its side. The android tablets, not so much in either case. If you only do a handful of things with it, then you can probably find the 20 apps you need, and they will work well enough. But as long as you can do what you want, and still save yourself $250, then it might fit your needs.

There are other significant advantages to the iPad, but it seems like one of the requirements here is low cost, and for that you have to make compromises, especially in ease of use and stability. One of the biggest reasons I still shy away from android devices is that manufacturers completely drop support and software updates after a year or so. My iphone 3gs and ipad gen 1, both many years old, are running the latest version of iOS and are still supported by Apple and 99% of apps. My wife's android phone, nearly 3 years old, is still running 2.2 - but only because she spent two days hacking it on there because it came with 1.1 and the manufacturer dropped in mere months after introducing it. The android tablets we have all run 2.2, and of course the manufacturer isn't interested in upgrading them - they want you to buy their latest and greatest if you want honeycomb. Of course they will drop that in a year or so.

As a result most app developers target older versions - 2.2 is still the largest installed base of android devices, and it's fully two years old. They don't make use of the latest hardware in the android devices because it's not available in 2.2. Developers who target honeycomb and later get a lot of cool features, and a teeny tiny little slice of the market.

Amazon purposefully designed their tablet to be incompatible with the google android ecosystem so they can control a little bit of the content model their customers use. You can hack around it if you like, but not only is there natural fragmentation in the android arena, there's purposeful, and even malicious, fragmentation. But the real problem is amazon didn't even start with the latest version of android - they started further back with an older version. They've already chosen to ignore the latest features available specifically for tablet use. Rather than small tablets, most of these devices are really upsized PDAs in terms of usability.

The android tablets aren't competing with the iPad. You buy one when you've decided that either 1) you don't want a large tablet and/or 2) when you don't want to pay the price for the larger tablet. If you don't have anything against a big tablet, and you can afford it, then the iPad is a better choice, and is most assuredly worth it.
 
Caring about the OS on a Android tablet is ridiculous. You get an Android tablet to ROOT it. You're running self-installed OSes, and can upgrade anytime to the newer ones that newer APP makers are making.

The iPAD isn't even the better choice if you're looking to spend more or have a bigger tablet. They're just more common place and hardly worth it vs a solid ROOTed Android tablet of the same cost.
 
So, in other words. If you are the type of person who liked the challenge that BSOD's provided, the type of person who likes installing software manually, The type of person who enjoys hex editors, the type of person who loves spending days of their life in support forums like XDA developers, you will love android devices.
For lesser supported tablets? Sure. For the extremely popular NOOKs? All you need is to install one thing, once and that's it. You download everythingelse directly from the app markets and I've never had BSOD.
 
I wanted a tablet for awhile. My father ended up getting me a Kindle Fire, I actually like it a lot, but I didn't like how "closed off" it was. Had to root it to get the most out of it, which is a bit of a pain.

In the end, it is well worth the price just for the Amazon integration, which gives you the ability to stream anything Amazon has to offer from movies to music to books. Amazon's free app of the day lets me find some decent pay apps and get them free, and if you don't like the launcher you can use an alternate launcher. I use mine with GO Launcher.
 

Cajungal

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I'm intrigued by your nook.
Did this make no one else giggle?

I have a question about the Kindle Fire. It doesn't have that special screen that e-readers have, right? It's more like a computer screen? Is it much harder to read a book on it for a long time?
 
It's a regular LCD screen so yes. At least it's noticeable to me comparing my Kindle and iPad. Not like "OH GOD MY EYES!!" bad, but I'd rather read on my Kindle given the chance.
 

Necronic

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You know, if you wanted to knock some of the cost off of the iPad2 you can get the "first-gen" iPad2, which I think sells @ $400. You loose a lot of the items I listed as being advantages, but you do keep what seems to be the most important advantage, access to the app store.
 
I think, as this thread points out, it's hard to get unbiased opinions on tablets as there's such a divide between apple/kindle/etc... fans.

I think it really comes down to what you want to use it for. For office/school use, I've found the iPad to be the way to go. If you're mostly going to use the reader, the Nook is probably the best way to go (I swear, it looks just like paper, so it's by far the superior reader). If you're looking at hackable stuff/customizable apps, you'd want one of the android styled pads.
 
But of course I hope I can borrow some time from Grandmaster Pat and get his feedback as well.
I have no personal experience with anything other than the iPad (as might be expected), but from what the Internet says in about 30min of searching, this looks like the way to go:

Want an ereader and nothing more? Get the Kindle Touch 3G.
Want color? Get the Kindle Fire.
Want apps? Get an iPad.
Want a no-hold-barred Android Experience™? Get an Eee Pad Transformer.

(all recommendations based on out-of-box config, i.e. unrooted/unjailbroken)

--Patrick
 
If you want to spend $500+ I can't help you.

Less than $500 I stick to my original advice.

Also, the mule advice thing too.
 
Can't do? Uh... take pictures, do face to face video chat, access an app that's Apple Only, that's about all I can think of. I also couldn't tell you how restricted it would be un-rooted as I rooted mine the moment I got it home. From what I hear it's very little.

Things I currently use my Nook for right now: Appointment handling, watching Netflix/Hulu/Downloaded show and movies during lunch breaks, web browsing, reading comics, reading novels, playing a few flash app games, eventually playing SNES/Genisis/GBA roms, listening to music, that's about it off the top of my head.
 

Necronic

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From here in I'm only going to be talking in terms of the un-rooted devices, because talking about the rooted version adds too many convuluting aspects to the comparisons.

Anywho, comparing app stores is a difficult challenge due to their vastness and the many dimensions to consider, but there is a lot of good reading out there on this.

One of the issues with Android is that (as an OS) it supports a vast number of different hardware specs as opposed to the iOS. This has historically been a concern for some developers as it makes development a lot trickier, and (for a while at least, I don't know if this still holds) many developers have avoided Android for this reason.

On the other hand, Google has a far less restrictive marketplace than Apple who, unsurprisingly, handles their app store with the iron fist that we are used to with them. This flexibility opens up access to more developers and may entice them to go that route. However, there is a flip side to that coin, specifically that the Android market has, on more than one occasion, been used to distribute malware.

Beyond that you have this interesting report that shows that the Android store is more heavily geared towards productivity apps in leiu of games, where the apple store handily comes out ahead. The report also shows that the prices on the Android store tend to be a bit higher, but when we're talking about the difference between $1.50 and $3.00 I don't think it matters much. That said, the Android store is supported by Google itself who releases all of their apps free of charge, and google apps are notoriously high quality. Comparing that with Apple, who will often charge absurd prices for apps that should have been included in the first place (like iMovie or iWork, the latter coming in at, I believe, $30).

It seems that the theme of "you pay more but may get more polish" holds true for the stores as well as the products. Apple's apps are more likely to cost money, but are also more likely to have a higher quality. However, Google's attitude towards developers and market-share adoption rate mean that more and more developers may find the Android marketplace more pallatable than Apple's in the long run, which, based on the historical precedent of Macintosh software in general, seems quite likely.
 
Rewind a bit.

Everyone talks about rooting. What does this exactly mean? Why do you do it? What advantages do you get? How do you do it? Its it difficult? Or do I need to pay some Asian guy?

Also which one allows free Wifi to work?

What else can a Nook not do?

What is this shit about apps? Are you talking about necessary applications or dipshit stuff like, press this button to activate a gun making application so that when you shake your tablet it makes shooting noises? What exactly are we talking here?

Also, if I root it and I download shit off the web, can I get free apps?

My price range is around $200, I'm not paying 700+ dollars for an iPad, I'd rather buy a small laptop.

Is the Nook new? Is that why so many people don't mention it? What the fuck is Android? Seems like everything is "Androids". What is this? Some type of OS... which is largely regarded like Vista. Limited as fuck. Badly done?

The general consensus I've read is, fork over 7 twinkies for a good tablet the size of a watermelon to carry with you everywhere or "good luck with the other shit that are all warped deformed children of the overlord".
 
Rooting is equvalent to jailbreaking a smartphone. It comes with all the same advantages and perils.

Every program on a tablet is considered an app. All tablet app stores have everything from spreadsheets to fart noise apps.

Yes, the full tablet version of the nook is relatively new, as is it's Kindle counterpart, the Fire.

Android is an OS. An OS, I'm not particularly fond of, but that's all down to taste.
 
There is no peril to rooting the current 16gb Nook Tablet. With a press of a button you can go back to factory settings.

I already addressed all the points Necronic has brought up for a second time, just re-read my first response to him. The Nook Tablet hasn't been out even a year yet, hence the small media coverage. Anything that isn't Apple related gets small media coverage, that's just the way it is.

Also Android OS is the closest to a Windows OS you can get on a tablet/phone. It has the same customization and you can choose what programs you want/don't want. iPad/iPhone restricts you just the same any Apple product does. Use their products or nothing at all. Even jailbroken, which you can permanently damage your hardware by doing (unlike the Nook Root), it's restrictive (being forced to use iTunes etc).

Jay - Rooting the Nook Tablet takes 5 minutes of watching a Youtube video. Nothing complicated about it. What's the point of it? Well all current tablets try to restrict the user to what apps/programs it can run by limiting what "market/downloads" you can use. By Rooting it, you can put all three markets on one device (B&N, Android, Amazon) and install any app/program. Granted only about 90% of apps will work on a Tablet as some are "Phone only" but even then you can still run nearly anything on a Rooted tablet where an un-Rooted one will run about a quarter of the available products.
 
Shego, I'm trying to be as objective as I can, but frankly, you're just plain wrong about there being no downside to rooting any tablet or phone. It is still possible to brick the phone or tablet by messing up the root programming so badly that restoring factory defaults will do nothing.

It still also voids your warranty, and runs a higher risk of malware.

Now, I'm not saying that any of this is certain to happen, in fact they're almost certain not to happen if you're even mildly careful of what you download, but they are things that someone needs to consider when thinking about rooting or jailbreaking any device.
 
Shego, I'm trying to be as objective as I can, but frankly, you're just plain wrong about there being no downside to rooting any tablet or phone. It is still possible to brick the phone or tablet by messing up the root programming so badly that restoring factory defaults will do nothing.

It still also voids your warranty, and runs a higher risk of malware.

Now, I'm not saying that any of this is certain to happen, in fact they're almost certain not to happen if you're even mildly careful of what you download, but they are things that someone needs to consider when thinking about rooting or jailbreaking any device.
There is no peril to rooting the current 16gb Nook Tablet. With a press of a button you can go back to factory settings.
I want to make this very clear, even though I've already done it 3x:
I'm not talking about all tablets and phones, just this one because this is the only one I'm familiar with.

You don't void the warranty because you can reset it instantly. The ease of the ROOT and the fact that it can be reset at anytime is the reason I bought it. You download the root, put it on the memory card, restart the phone, press 3 options and it's done. At any time you want, you go into the options menu, select "Reset to Factory Settings" and it's gone. Simple as that. No danger, no bricking, no warranting voiding.

There's only "Malware" if you don't go to trusted Root sites and you'll never get Malware downloading from the official markets you're able to put on a Rooted phone.
 
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