Proponents of marijuana legalization have advanced plenty of arguments in support of their drug of choice — that marijuana is less dangerous than legal substances like cigarettes and alcohol; that pot has legitimate medical uses; that the money spent prosecuting marijuana offenses would be better used on more pressing public concerns.
While 13 states permit the limited sale of marijuana for medical use, and polls show a steady increase in the number of Americans who favor legalization, federal law still bans the cultivation, sale, or possession of marijuana. In fact, the feds still classify marijuana as a Schedule I drug, one that has no \"currently accepted medical use\" in the United States. (See a TIME video on Medical Marijiuana Home Delivery)
But supporters of legalization may have been handed their most convincing argument yet: the bummer economy. Advocates argue that if state or local governments could collect a tax on even a fraction of pot sales, it would help rescue cash-strapped communities. Not surprisingly, the idea is getting traction in California, home to both the nation\"s largest supply of domestically grown marijuana (worth a estimated $14 billion a year) and to the country\"s biggest state budget deficit (more than $26 billion).
On Monday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the California legislative leaders a tentative budget agreement to plug the state's deficit, but it would involve making sweeping cuts in education and health services, as well as taking billions from county governments. Democratic state assemblyman Tom Ammiano has introduced legislation that would let California regulate and tax the sale of marijuana. The state's proposed $50 an ounce pot tax would bring in about $1.3 billion a year in additional revenue. Ammiano's bill was shelved this session but he expects to introduce a revised bill early next year. (Read \"Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?\")
If the state legislature doesn\"t act, perhaps California voters will. One group is preparing to place a statewide initiative for the November 2010 ballot that would regulate and tax the sale of marijuana for Californians 21 years of age and older. Tellingly, the group spearheading the measure calls itself TaxCannabis2010.org, stressing the revenue advantages of marijuana legalization. The group hopes to collect the required 650,000 voter signatures by January to place the measure on the November 2010 ballot.
\"There\"s no doubt that the ground is shifting on marijuana,\" says Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, which promotes alternatives to the war on drugs. \"The discussion about regulating and taxing marijuana now has an air of legitimacy to it that it didn\"t quite have before. And the economy has given the issue a real turbo charge.\" (Read \"Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?\")
The legalization effort is getting serious consideration from surprising quarters. In May, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger publicly called for a large-scale study to determine whether to legalize and tax marijuana.
\"I think it\"s time for a debate,\" the governor said at a news conference. \"I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs.\" (See a TIME photoessay on Cannabis Culture)
In California, medical marijuana sales are already taxed, and some communities are looking for ways to get a bigger slice of the pot pie. Residents Oakland are currently voting in a mail-in special election that includes a measure which would make the city the first in the country to establish a new tax rate for medical marijuana businesses. If the measure passes, Oakland marijuana dispensaries, which are now charged at the general tax rate of $1.20 per $1,000 in receipts, would see that rate raised to $18 per $1,000.
A Field Poll conducted in California this spring showed 56% of the state\"s registered voters in support of legalizing and taxing marijuana as a way of offsetting some of the budget deficit. Several national polls have shown that more than 45% of American adults are open to legalizing pot, about double the support a decade ago.
Even the most ardent marijuana advocates aren\"t expecting nationwide legalization anytime soon. Instead, any action is likely to come on the state and local level. For now, all eyes are on cash-strapped California, where high taxes could take on an entirely new meaning.
man... can you imagine the back taxes on those "street sellers"Charlie Dont Surf said:I fully support this and hope it goes through, but this alone will not save California by a long shot.
Why do you think legal pot is a bad thing?ThatNickGuy said:Is it okay to say this is karma for voting against gay marriage?
He could have meant the deficit.Charlie Dont Surf said:Why do you think legal pot is a bad thing?ThatNickGuy said:Is it okay to say this is karma for voting against gay marriage?
They may have been misplaced. The researchers totally had them a second ago, but... so they were about to... dude, Family Guy is on!Covar said:so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
more like...... dude!! I'm hungry!! lets go get some munchiesJake said:They may have been misplaced. The researchers totally had them a second ago, but... so they were about to... dude, Family Guy is on!Covar said:so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
HoboNinja said:$50 and ounce tax would still encourage illegal sales because thats going to drive the price up a ton. It's about $80 an ounce for swag and $120 for dro in Iowa. I don't know how much the legal dispensaries sell for in California but I am betting its still a good amount of money and adding a $50 tax on that will probably bring it above the illegal prices.
Second hand smoke is really only a problem if the 2nd hander is constantly(hours at a time) in an enclosed environment.Covar said:so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY:1w72bw7l][/youtube:1w72bw7l]HoboNinja said:$50 and ounce tax would still encourage illegal sales because thats going to drive the price up a ton. It's about $80 an ounce for swag and $120 for dro in Iowa. I don't know how much the legal dispensaries sell for in California but I am betting its still a good amount of money and adding a $50 tax on that will probably bring it above the illegal prices.
Not necessarily, I get better prices than any dispensary I've seen.Shakey said:Selling it legally would probably drop the price of it though. A good chunk of the price now has to do with it being illegal. How much is it selling for legally as medication now?
Covar said:so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
Necronic said:To achieve maximum results, there's a great deal of maintenance and preparation (trimming) that goes into the process...if you stick it in a pot by the window it will grow but will likely be pretty lame.
Its a valid question. People are so adamant about legalizing it, but I've never seen any study on secondhand effects. Say what you want I don't have to worry about booze getting me drunk if my neighbors drinking it.Koko said:Covar said:so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
Michael Jackson was illegal?!? Well that kinda explains why he never grew up properly if he had to be in hiding all the time.@Li3n said:This is obviously a plot by the Rainbow Mafia... first they screw up the economy, then they legalise MJ for "tax purposes"... then when everyone is high they convince them to repel Prop 8... sneaky.
This is from a cop, folks. End of argument. I don't smoke it and I say legalize it. It's better for society than alcohol and that's legal. Illegal pot makes no sense at all and never has.Frankie said:I'm all for the legalization and taxation of pot. Would make my job much easier.
Edrondol said:This is from a cop, folks. End of argument. I don't smoke it and I say legalize it. It's better for society than alcohol and that's legal. Illegal pot makes no sense at all and never has.Frankie said:I'm all for the legalization and taxation of pot. Would make my job much easier.
I too, think it's a waste of time, money and effort to go after / process pot smokers. From what little I know of US pot use, it seems to be a law that is broken so often that maintaining it just seems silly if there aren't big dangers behind using it.Frankie said:I'm all for the legalization and taxation of pot. Would make my job much easier.
I wouldn't be surprise Shego. Why?Shegokigo said:If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... rly:
To most "highly religious" it's exactly the same as smoking cigs. Anything to "harm the body" is as to "harming the Lord" to them.Chibibar said:I wouldn't be surprise Shego. Why?Shegokigo said:If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... rly:
cause smoking weed is not a sin (at least not any of my religious friend said so yet. unless they lump it with Cigarettes and alcohols)
true... but some religion they don't mind. I know many Christians (at least not "hard core") smokes.... but hate gays... yea double standard.Shegokigo said:To most "highly religious" it's exactly the same as smoking cigs. Anything to "harm the body" is as to "harming the Lord" to them.Chibibar said:I wouldn't be surprise Shego. Why?Shegokigo said:If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... rly:
cause smoking weed is not a sin (at least not any of my religious friend said so yet. unless they lump it with Cigarettes and alcohols)
That's why I'd be freakin pissed off if one were to pass over the other.
I was referring to the "harm the body" = "harm the lord" that some didn't quite follow that mantra. Some hard the body = sin. Gays = sin.. so technically double standard (at least that is how I view it)@Li3n said:How is that double standards?!
I mean Jesus didn't turn water into prune juice, now did he?
Not as much tax revenue in gay marriage. In fact, when you start filing jointly, it will actually lower tax revenues. Don't worry though, gay marriage is coming. It's inevitable, despite the best efforts of your fellow gays to generate antipathy among the breeders by acting like an impatient child stamping the collective foot, delaying what had previously been a smooth and straight trend toward acceptance.Shegokigo said:If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... rly:
GasBandit said:Don't worry though, gay marriage is coming. It's inevitable, despite the best efforts of your fellow gays to generate antipathy among the breeders by acting like an impatient child stamping the collective foot, delaying what had previously been a smooth and straight trend toward acceptance.
The lack of study on secondhand effects is due to the inconclusive nature on the harmful effects of firsthand smoke.Covar said:Its a valid question. People are so adamant about legalizing it, but I've never seen any study on secondhand effects. Say what you want I don't have to worry about booze getting me drunk if my neighbors drinking it.Koko said:Covar said:so where are the studies on the effects of secondhand smoke?
This is why you'll never find Republicans at McDonalds.Shegokigo said:To most "highly religious" it's exactly the same as smoking cigs. Anything to "harm the body" is as to "harming the Lord" to them.Chibibar said:I wouldn't be surprise Shego. Why?Shegokigo said:If pot legalization passes before gay marriage...... rly:
cause smoking weed is not a sin (at least not any of my religious friend said so yet. unless they lump it with Cigarettes and alcohols)
That's why I'd be freakin pissed off if one were to pass over the other.
You don't think wine can harm the body!?Chibibar said:I was referring to the "harm the body" = "harm the lord" that some didn't quite follow that mantra. Some harm the body = sin. Gays = sin.. so technically double standard (at least that is how I view it)@Li3n said:How is that double standards?!
I mean Jesus didn't turn water into prune juice, now did he?
I keep forgetting that Protestants and Catholics are bonkers... (and i wasn't even referring to that part of the Bible, but the wedding where they didn't have enough wine, if that's not at home i don't know what is).Shegokigo said:Drinking "wine" at home would be a "sin".
Catholic has been a denomination for almost over 1000 years...Le Quack said:What are their besides protestant and catholics?
Pretty much all denominations are protestant.
Really? Give me the verse that says so. I've never seen anything that says smoking, drinking, trans-fat, etc is a "sin." I think there are some recommendations in there, but no language stating sin.Shegokigo said:It's not "wine" it's the "blood of christ" and it's taken during mass and presented by the pastor.
Drinking "wine" at home would be a "sin".
This is completely untrue:Shegokigo said:Drinking "wine" at home would be a "sin".
Jesus' first miracle was making an extra 120 - 180 gallons of wine for a wedding reception after they ran out.the Bible said:No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities." (1 Timothy 5:23)
Like food...Shegokigo said:If you abuse any substance that causes your body damage, wilfully. It's considered a sin.
eastern orthodoxLe Quack said:Besides Protestant and catholic, what other types of christianity are there?
When you said "Protestant and Catholics are Bonkers" what other kinds of christians are there?
Well, yeah, gluttony is one of the big seven.@Li3n said:Like food...Shegokigo said:If you abuse any substance that causes your body damage, wilfully. It's considered a sin.
Koko said:eastern orthodoxLe Quack said:Besides Protestant and catholic, what other types of christianity are there?
When you said "Protestant and Catholics are Bonkers" what other kinds of christians are there?
Gluttony is one of the big 7.Koko said:heart disease is the #1 killer in America
does the Vatican boycott trans fat?
Reading comprehension failed.Covar said:As a Catholic I find some of these assumptions about us ludicrous. A catholic thinking drinking is a sin. hilarious. especially when you consider the largest religion among the Irish.
... Depending on who you ask. We're at the point in our society that you can dig up something damaging about nearly everything. When you discover that wiping your ass in the wrong way is a step down the road to cancer, I think you're going to see a whole lot of Christians dropping the "bad for you = sin" bullshit.Shegokigo said:Obviously you read more into what I was saying, hence I used the "quotes".
If you abuse any substance that causes your body damage, willfully. It's considered a sin.
This indicates to me that you've probably been misinformed.Shegokigo said:Reading comprehension failed.Covar said:As a Catholic I find some of these assumptions about us ludicrous. A catholic thinking drinking is a sin. hilarious. especially when you consider the largest religion among the Irish.
I know what I know, due to being a Catholic deacon's daughter and growing up in an extremely religious family and household.
Why is that always so?!Shegokigo said:I know what I know, due to being a Catholic deacon's daughter and growing up in an extremely religious family and household.
Oh right, Greed is Avarice... my bad.Gluttony is one of the big 7.
They look the other way. They did bust a few at first. I don't think they would go for non-prescription use though.Chibibar said:since Pot is a Cat 1 drug on the Fed level, how is it that CA allow dispensary in the first place?
Did you at some point wear a Catholic schoolgirl uniform? Just need the facts for, you know, science aranoid:Shegokigo said:I know what I know, due to being a Catholic deacon's daughter and growing up in an extremely religious family and household.
better yet.. got a picture?Jake said:Did you at some point wear a Catholic schoolgirl uniform? Just need the facts for, you know, science aranoid:Shegokigo said:I know what I know, due to being a Catholic deacon's daughter and growing up in an extremely religious family and household.
The "Catholic Girl" uniforms I have in my closet now aren't quite the same as the ones I wore back then though....Chibibar said:no.. in current formShegokigo said:Of me from 5-9?
I'll take my chances on the recent oneShegokigo said:The "Catholic Girl" uniforms I have in my closet now aren't quite the same as the ones I wore back then though....Chibibar said:no.. in current formShegokigo said:Of me from 5-9?
Tell you what. I'll show you the 5-9yrs old ones and let Mr. Hansen know, or I can show you a recent one and immediately make small slits directly on your eyes with my paring knife. Like little papercuts directly on the eye....
Neither. It's your presence in this thread that takes that nomination. :toocool:Charlie Dont Surf said:ugh. I'm not sure what's lamer in this thread. The creepiness or the impotent threats of violence.
....... and the world breathed a sigh of relief.Charlie Dont Surf said:I'm actually probably going to get a vasectomy sometime in the future.
I read that as "I'm ... important," and laughed hard at the commentary I thought you were making.Jake said:Charlie Dont Surf said:I'm ... impotent
I'm going to vote for the creepiness. I'm unclear as to how we went from California legalize pot to people trying to get pics of Shego in a school girl uniform, but it's disturbing.Charlie Dont Surf said:ugh. I'm not sure what's lamer in this thread. The creepiness or the impotent threats of violence.
Yeah, it actually says you can only eat animals with split hooves that chew their cud. Pigs are just notable as they are the only split hoofed animal that doesn't chew its cud.Chibibar said:Thy shall not eat animal of split hooves (back then it was pigs - also my wording might be off but that is what I remember)