Green_Lantern
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I honestly think that I never played anything but green/red, but was thinking in start playing again, possible with that diamond/pearl game, or whatever is the latest, any tips or thoughs? >__<
So... I want to return to Pokemon games
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The re-releases of silver and gold have a tonne of little extras added that once having played with them make it hard for me to go back and even play diamond and pearl. They aren't anything huge but not having to hold a button to run, once you've played with it, is hard to let go. It's also one of the larger games letting you go to both Kanto and Johto. If you don't mind waiting I believe the next gen versions, Black and White, will most likely be coming out spring next year.
Green_Lantern
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Do they Rotom new forms, I want to play the game just because they are bloody cute =D
I guess I will try Gold or Silver.
If you're going for Heartgold/Soulsilver, prepare for terrible leveling balance in the wild pokeymans
If you want to get Diamond/Pearl, get Platinum instead. Lots of new features. You can only get the new Rotom forms if you have a special key item, though, which was distributed at an event so I don't think you'll be able to get that unless somebody trades it to you attached to a pokemon over the Global Trading System (that's right, no more trading pokeymans over a cable - now you can use wifi!)
Or you can wait a few months for Black/White (Japanese release is pushing for Sept 2010 last I heard, so the US release would be what, early 2011?) which has all new pokemon
If you want to get Diamond/Pearl, get Platinum instead. Lots of new features. You can only get the new Rotom forms if you have a special key item, though, which was distributed at an event so I don't think you'll be able to get that unless somebody trades it to you attached to a pokemon over the Global Trading System (that's right, no more trading pokeymans over a cable - now you can use wifi!)
Or you can wait a few months for Black/White (Japanese release is pushing for Sept 2010 last I heard, so the US release would be what, early 2011?) which has all new pokemon
Like.... Forumon?You know, we'll have something like it soon.
we'll be posting and a wild Cajungal will appear?
Green_Lantern
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On a related note, I made this Fakemons of Justice Trio by ~tharal2814 on deviantART
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Ok, there have been four generations of games -- each generation is basically one game. First they release a paired version (e.g. Red and Blue, Gold and Silver) which are identical, but with different Pokémon available, to encourage trading. Then they release a third version (e.g. Crystal), which has a few improvements, but is still more-or-less the same game.
Starting with Gen 3, they've also released remakes (Gen 3 had remakes of Gen 1, Gen 4 had remakes of Gen 2). So you'll probably want to play the most recent version of each game -- this is either the third version, or the remake.
So, to summarise:
Generation 1 (GameBoy)
Paired versions: Red and Blue
Third version: Yellow*
Generation 2 (GameBoy Color)
Paired versions: Gold and Silver
Third version: Crystal
Generation 3 (GameBoy Advance)
Paired versions: Ruby and Sapphire
Third version: Emerald
Remakes: FireRed and LeafGreen (remakes of Generation 1)
Generation 4 (DS)
Paired versions: Diamond and Pearl
Third version: Platinum
Remakes: HeartGold and SoulSilver (remakes of Generation 2)
...and soon we'll be getting
Generation 5 (DS)
Paired versions: Black and White
So if you really want to play all of them in order, go FireRed, HeartGold, Emerald, Platinum. That said though, the only games that are a direct sequel are Gold and Silver, and even then you don't need to have played Red and Blue beforehand, so there's no harm in just picking up the most recent version.
*This is not entirely accurate. In Japan, the paired versions were Red and Green, and the third version was Blue. For the western release, they took all of the improvements of Japanese Blue, but gave them the available Pokémon from Japanese Red and Green, and called them Red and Blue. This is why the remakes are called FireRed and LeafGreen, rather than FireRed and WaterBlue or whatever. Yellow was a "special edition" which introduced stuff from the anime, and isn't really considered canon, but since it's the only other generation 1 game we got outside of Japan, it usually gets counted as the third version.
.... but if you're playing the GBA remakes of generation 1 anyway, none of this matters to you.
It's also kind of a waste of time to play them all; gameplay improves, Pokemon are added, but there's not a ton else.
So really, you either want to play Pokemon Platinum, or HeartGold/SoulSilver. I recommend choosing HeartGold or SoulSilver. They carry a bunch of the new games' Pokemon as well as the old ones, you can get starters from different generations within the game, and it has much better stylus controls that make the menu a breeze compared to old games. It also comes with a little Pokewalker accessory which you can transfer a Pokemon to and take it with you places, so as you walk, the Pokemon gets experience.
So really, you either want to play Pokemon Platinum, or HeartGold/SoulSilver. I recommend choosing HeartGold or SoulSilver. They carry a bunch of the new games' Pokemon as well as the old ones, you can get starters from different generations within the game, and it has much better stylus controls that make the menu a breeze compared to old games. It also comes with a little Pokewalker accessory which you can transfer a Pokemon to and take it with you places, so as you walk, the Pokemon gets experience.
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The Pokéwalker is awesome, but not for gaining experience (you can only gain one level at a time, you miss out on level up moves, you don't get EVs etc). It's awesome for catching all kinds of rare Pokémon right at the start of the game, and for getting a shitload of rare items to sell so you have heaps of money early in the game. All of this just for putting a pedometer in your pocket and going about your daily routine.
I try to keep a Poke in there just for some free experience, though you're right, I end up having to keep an eye out on a guide to be sure an important move I want isn't on the horizon.
And it is awesome for making money. I use that Night Sky route a lot and it drops plenty of Star Dust or Rare Bones (5000 bucks for the latter).
And it is awesome for making money. I use that Night Sky route a lot and it drops plenty of Star Dust or Rare Bones (5000 bucks for the latter).
In all honesty, each Pokemon game is it's own beginning. Yes, if you don't play the previous versions, you'll have to trade for the Pokemon your missing (if you want them) but each game is balanced around itself. It's only if you play competitively that you need to worry about Pokemon from previous generations, as some of them (like Garchomp and Wobuffet) are incredibly nasty in fights.
So ether go out and get Heart Gold/Soul Silver, or wait for the White/Black to come out in a few months.
So ether go out and get Heart Gold/Soul Silver, or wait for the White/Black to come out in a few months.
doomdragon6
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Been looking to get back into it too.
I'm not interested in the newer generations (Gen II was pushing it already), so if I got Fire Red or Leaf Green, I'd be set with original Blue/Red + Gen II + Newer Innovations, like breeding etc?
I'm not interested in the newer generations (Gen II was pushing it already), so if I got Fire Red or Leaf Green, I'd be set with original Blue/Red + Gen II + Newer Innovations, like breeding etc?
HeartGold/SoulSilver is Gen II + innovations. You have to go out of your way to seek out the ones from Gen III and Gen IV. Part of the game actually involves going back to Gen I territory and getting all those badges.
Green_Lantern
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Pretty much anything with ice, good special, and good speed. That might discount Gen IV exclusives, but I've always found Garchomp pretty easy to take down, like the other Dragon types, since they're always paired with Flying or Ground (except the legendaries) which have a x4 weakness to Ice attacks.
I came back in on Sapphire after being gone since Blue. I had fun with it, but ended up restarting on Emerald and liking that a lot. If I get some spare cash I'd like to pick up HeartGold or SoulSilver, though. Honestly I just want a Houndoom and a Tyranitar. D:
Pretty much anything with ice, good special, and good speed. That might discount Gen IV exclusives, but I've always found Garchomp pretty easy to take down, like the other Dragon types, since they're always paired with Flying or Ground (except the legendaries) which have a x4 weakness to Ice attacks.[/QUOTE]
And Kingdra.
Man, fuck Kingdra.
The fact that you NEED to field a specific type of mon, merely to counter Garchomp, speaks seriously of it's power though. An entire meta-game shouldn't need to be balanced around a single creature.
Also, Stealth Rock NEEDS to be nerfed. Huge swaths of excellent mons were dropped down a tier because of that single move.
Also, Stealth Rock NEEDS to be nerfed. Huge swaths of excellent mons were dropped down a tier because of that single move.
Really? I thought Stealth Rock was pretty worthless.
You don't need an Ice type Pokemon to crush Garchomp. He can be killed by Dragon types pretty easily as well, but Ice moves are quickest, even when sent out of a Water Pokemon.
Water Pokemon currently account for nearly 100 of the 490+ Pokemon existing. I think Garchomp is well fucked.
You don't need an Ice type Pokemon to crush Garchomp. He can be killed by Dragon types pretty easily as well, but Ice moves are quickest, even when sent out of a Water Pokemon.
Water Pokemon currently account for nearly 100 of the 490+ Pokemon existing. I think Garchomp is well fucked.
I remember the first thing I noticed about types when getting into Sapphire is how fucking rare Fire types seemed to be. There were all of two you could catch, and both were in the same place a couple hours into the game. Made me miss my Arcanine I had gotten from my brother's Red game back when we both played.
True, but MOST of those water pokemon are worthless fodder or are multi-typed. How many pure, non-legendary water types are that good? Maybe 4-5? Toss in another type, and the list improves, but so do your chances of being nailed by a move your weak to. Trying it with Ice is just as bad, if not worse.... and you can forget about trying Dragon, as anything that has STAB for Dragon moves is going to be weak to Garchomp's own Dragon moves and nothing non-Uber is going to outrun it.
The biggest problem with Garchomp is that you really only have 2-3 turns to take it out, and that's assuming your faster than it. It's going to do Swords Dance it's first turn, but once it does, it's going to OHKO or 2HKO pretty much anything you send at it. That means that unless you have your Garchomp killer out before Garchomp comes out, you may not get enough hits in to kill it and it could, quite literally, wipe your team on it's own.
If your know your going to be facing it, your basically going to be carrying one of four Pokemon:
- Weavile: It has more speed than Garchomp, lots of attack power, and it's Ice Punch is strong enough to OHKO it.
- Starmie: Sort of like Weavile, but with Ice Beam instead.
- Skarmory: It's pretty tanky and can resist both of Garchomp's types, but Garchomp could have a Fire move to handle it. But your basically just going to use Whirlwind to get ride of it, which isn't a goog choice.
- Bronzong: Same deal as Skarmory, but with Hypnosis or Reflect.
There are other choices, but they really aren't as viable.
I never used any of those four and Garchomp's never been a problem for me. When he comes up in online matches, he's never been one of the non-legendary Pokemon I've seen in my opponent's roster and thought "Oh shit, I hope he doesn't pick him." Never realized he even had a notorious nature, and I've fought and murdered a lot of them over Pokemon Battle Revolution.
They probably weren't properly EV/IV trained. A Garchomp with maxed Attack and Speed EVs will generally out-damage and outrun anything short of an Uber. When I say it can literally wipe teams on it's own, I'm not exaggerating. It's been banned from more than one official tournament.
It's only real weakness is it's predictability, because you generally know what four moves it's going to have:
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Swords Dance
- Substitute / Stone Edge / Fire Fang
OR
- Earthquake
- Outrage / Dragon Claw
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang / Crunch
It's rare to see one without those moves in a competition.
Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to tell sometimes whose Pokemon are EV-trained. Though those are the general movesets I see.
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