[Movies] Star Wars The Force Awakens SPOILER THREAD!

I'm not going to say JJ Abrams's version was perfect, but even in the original trilogy, thing went better when George Lucas wasn't directing. I wonder how many of these just think the new Star Wars had too many women, and ol' George will fix that! :rolleyes:

And then there's this moment of genius in the comments/supporters:
The new movie...turned Han [and Luke] into irresponsible men who run from problems.
Have you ever SEEN the original Star Wars movies?? That was one of Han's defining characteristics! Or did you just forget the whole Jabba/Boba/carbonite subplot? :facepalm:
 
That petition is dumb for so many reasons, but one not yet noted is the part about Episode IX being a farewell to Star Wars ... hahaha NO. Disney did not make this kind of purchase to just make three movies and quit. There are movies coming out between each episode, and one after, and there will probably be more in the future. There's going to be a bigger section in Disney parks, probably another TV show, and so on. I wouldn't be shocked if we got movies to establish whatever they roll over the EU with, like replacement Old Republic and such. Maybe prequel trilogy remakes to fix that shit too.

It's going to be unending so long as it makes money, and it'll be making money for a long. This isn't the beginning of goodbye to Star Wars, this is the beginning of Star Wars moving in and never leaving the house.
 
I'm not going to say JJ Abrams's version was perfect, but even in the original trilogy, thing went better when George Lucas wasn't directing.
I find the original theatrical release of Star Wars to be the most enjoyable Star Wars movie. It's the only one that was ever directed by a young, creative George Lucas. I think that's kinda key.
 
The problem being that, while George Lucas is a fine world-creator and excellent visual effects designer, he is not a particularly good writer and a poor director (when it comes to directing actors). Lawrence Kasdan retouched the scripts to improve the dialogue, and in the original trilogy, people could tell George "no, that's a bad idea." With the prequels, he had complete control, and the result was, well, the prequels.
 
Saw it for the 2nd time the other day. The more I think about it the more I want Rey to not have important parents or an important bloodline. While her being a kenobi or palpatine would be neat, I'd rather the entire galaxy not be a pawn between a handful of families, you know?

I'd rather her be just an orphan whom Luke dropped off on Jakku to keep her safe after the New Jedi Order went belly up. If she has to be related to someone I hope it's Poe. She had a home made doll that looked like an Xwing pilot, so maybe her mother or father was a great pilot like I'm sure Poe's parent(s) were.
 
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Other people touching the lightsaber didn't suddenly have flashbacks and -forwards, so yes, it seems quite clear she's the heir/successor. This doesn't necessarily have to be by blood, but... if not, they'd have to come up with a pretty good explanation/reason -and that's something Star Wars is notoriously bad at. So...
 
Other people touching the lightsaber didn't suddenly have flashbacks and -forwards, so yes, it seems quite clear she's the heir/successor. This doesn't necessarily have to be by blood, but... if not, they'd have to come up with a pretty good explanation/reason -and that's something Star Wars is notoriously bad at. So...
Other people weren't force users.
 
Regarding Rey and the lightsaber vision. Do people completely forget that pre and post cognition are the entire basis of Anakin's turn to the dark side? People strong with the force have visions all the time.
 
There's a difference between Jedi and a being strong in the force. Rey and Kylo are clearly strong in the force, but neither are Jedi.

Poe is very likely strong in the force - you don't get to be that good a pilot unless you have really good "intuition".

It's clear that anyone can handle a lightsaber, but usually it's restricted to the Jedi because to be able to hit blaster shots you have to have that precognition and the training.

Against another sword or melee user, though, it not much worse a weapon than any other melee weapon, and you needn't be a Jedi to be somewhat successful.

It's clear Finn isn't trained in swordplay, though, so while he's able to use it somewhat defensively, his continual pining for a blaster reflects his skills and preferred weapon.

But I doubt they are going to have him be a Jedi or strong force user, they need a contemporary to Rey to show off the difference and have two characters that can explain things to each other that the audience needs to know. If they both become the same thing that tool goes away.

Besides, they already had a high ranking black Jedi, so they've checked that political correctness box and don't need to turn Finn into someone extra special just to prove they aren't racist.
 
Oh my God...:(
Even during the first time I saw that scene, all I kept thinking was, "Damn, Chewie sure was quick to just fucking blast Han's kid in the gut! You'd think he'd have at least a slight moment of hesitation considering he was probably like an uncle to Ben when he was growing up." So this comic makes more sense to me.
 
This comis is so accurate. I used to draw Star Destroyers just like the one in the upper left corner...

On the other hand, I saw no problem with Chewie going full berserker mode without hesitation. He's a wookie after all, Ben was lucky he didn't get his arm ripped off after he was shot. Chewie's rage probably also contributed to him not aiming properly and simply going for center of mass targeting.
 
Chewie's rage probably also contributed to him not aiming properly and simply going for center of mass targeting.
I don't think it was rage at all. It was cold calculation: After all, Chewie's lived through all the trilogies,and he can't help but see History Repeating. And he knows that if he kills Kylo Maul now there's just gonna be a 4 armed villain to take his place. Maybe even 6 arms given the inflation that's grown the Death Star from a small moon to a planet.

Better the Sith you know, eh?
 
Chewie's gun has killed people in one hit before, so Kylo is lucky not to have died from even an abdomen shot.

Based on the trailers I thought Finn and Rey were both Jedi.
I thought the Jedi story was going to be a Stormtrooper turned Jedi, which would've been cool. It was also cool to see a normal person handling a lightsaber against a trained Force wielder, even though he lost.
 
Besides, they already had a high ranking black Jedi, so they've checked that political correctness box and don't need to turn Finn into someone extra special just to prove they aren't racist.
You know, considering how Boyega was clearly the best actor in the film, don't you think its possible that they chose him because they liked him and not just to "check a box"?
 
So I was reading some into this movie and it turns out there is a reason "TR8R" went all baton happy on Finn, he is FN-2199 aka "Nines", a trooper that trained with Finn in the prequel book "Before the Awakening". This info makes that whole sequence make a lot more sense to me, since I thought it was downright silly for some supposed random trooper to just throw down his gun to have a melee fight with Finn in the middle of a battleground. Also, remember in the beginning of the movie when that one random stormtrooper gets killed right next to Finn, and wipes the bloody hand print on Finn's helmet? Turns out that was a trooper named FN-2003 AKA "Slip" who was probably the closest thing Finn had to a friend among the First Order. Which once again, makes the sequence of him breaking down make a lot more sense.

Does remind me why I dislike movies that have rather large scenes that rely so much on supplementary material.
 
You know, considering how Boyega was clearly the best actor in the film, don't you think its possible that they chose him because they liked him and not just to "check a box"?
Boyega was _fantastic_, and I hope to see more of him not only in further Star Wars, but other films as well.

In a round about way I'm knocking the social justice warriors and Hollywood who responds to them. Star Wars has long had a racially diverse cast, yet even today people are hounding the director and studios for not satisfying their own personal perspective.

Hollywood, for its part, is responding in often over the top ways to try and satisfy the most vocal social justice warriors.

I am very happy with the Star Wars we were given. There are people who are not, and if we didn't already have Samuel l Jackson the Jedi, and Finn _didn't_ turn out to be Jedi, people would be whining about it, and Disney might choose to make them happy.

In trying to figure out the future path of the characters I am taking into account the current social climate these movies are being made in.

Sorry to have offended.
 
I don't really see SJW desires reflected in Hollywood. Indie films, sure, but not wide release movies, especially at the frequency we get wide release movies.

I mean, if we're talking Tumblr SJWs for example, then probably a third of movie protagonists would be transgender.

The only people I've heard complaining about the new Star Wars characters' demographics are Men's Rights Activists complaining about this film having a female protagonist being anti-male and white supremacist groups carrying an illogical boycott that having a black main character is anti-white. Their boycott did not exactly meet its target impact goals against the film's box office. The MRA may have also had a boycott, I don't remember.
 
Those are both idiotic reasons.
All of the other Star Wars movies have had strong female leads (comparatively); Rey pretty much fits in the Leia-Amidala mold as far as I'm concerned. Having her be the main protagonist is a nice change. Had all three suddenly been women, I'd have said it was a strange choice and I might've "gotten" some of the complaints (just as I'd have understood if they'd suddenly gone to three men). As is, I don't see any reason to complain. Skin color wise...Man, I just can't muster the energy to care one way or another what color a character is unless it's important to the story or somehow "abnormal" (as in, black kid from two white parents or vice versa). Heck, aren't we supposed to think Twi'lek are sexy? Brown is definitely not harder to ignore than blue or green :p
 
All of the other Star Wars movies have had strong female leads (comparatively); Rey pretty much fits in the Leia-Amidala mold as far as I'm concerned.
Rey had a personality, so the only way she'd fit into an Amidala mold is by [clever analogy that utilizes a well-known Star Wars mechanism or line of dialogue that also insults the prequel trilogy]
 
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