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Star Wars vs Lord of the Rings: FIGHT!

#1

strawman

strawman

Ok, it's time to throw down.

Considering just the first three films of each series (Star Wars 4, 5, 6 vs LoTR 1, 2, 3):

If you had to choose right now and couldn't have both, would you rather live in a universe with no Star Wars, or one with no LoTR?


#2

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Lord of the Rings. At least it's not constantly tinkered with and made worse.

EDIT: Plus, I was more of a Star Trek guy than Wars.


#3

Steve

Steve

Totally ignoring George Lucas and his ride off the crazy train for me it's Star Wars. Han Solo was my childhood idol. I thought the ships were great. My friends and I spent many hours of our youth in lightsaber battles. And on more than one occasion I tried to use the force to move an object in my general vicinity. To date I have not accomplished it. I definitely think LotR's is a better series but something about Star Wars was magical.


#4

TommiR

TommiR

Star Wars for me.

If the LoTR movies were more faithful to the concepts in the books, my choice would be different, easily. But as it stands, I'd rather keep SW than LoTR.


#5

Wahad

Wahad

LotR for me. I grew up on the books, whereas I didn't see Star Wars until I was 16. The movies made the story even more exciting than it already had been, for me. Yeah, there were changes made, but who cares? They were awesome.


#6

Espy

Espy

I think the real question is, which universe would you rather die quickly in. Neither seem terribly conductive to long life spans :p


#7

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

I like how people are confusing the question within the first few posts.

My Answer: LotR universe. Multi-tude of reasons. Mostly becase: Magic > Force


#8

strawman

strawman

Shegokigo said:
I like how people are confusing the question within the first few posts.

My Answer: LotR universe. Multi-tude of reasons. Mostly becase: Magic > Force
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I'm thinking you are. I'm talking about living in a world where the movies don't exist. Not in the universe the movies portrayed.


#9

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

Yep guess I am. Oh well, hilarious.


#10

Steve

Steve

If the Star Wars movies didn't exist we wouldn't have all the cool Star Wars toys (admit it you had them when you were a child), all the cool Star Wars conventions or the gathering of Slave Leia's. Can't recall any LotH conventions or scantily clad women dressed as Hobbits.

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#11

Just Me

Just Me

Star Wars for me, just like so many others because of Han Solo. And the coolest of cool fighters, the X-Wing!
Gandalf confronting th Balrog or the Witch King ist great, but in my world those scenes gets beaten by Yoda lifting an X-Wing out of the swamp.


#12

Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

Star Wars changed movies forever.

Lord of the Rings just got a bunch of Oscars it didn't deserve and pumped some money into New Zealand.


#13

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

SW:TOR is amazing.

Lord of the Rings Online sucks.

The choice is clear.


#14

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Charlie Don't Surf said:
Star Wars changed movies forever.

Lord of the Rings just got a bunch of Oscars it didn't deserve and pumped some money into New Zealand.
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For the better though?

I'd like to see what the Lord of the Rings movies would have been like in a world where Star Wars hadn't come along and basically created the summer blockbuster.


#15

LittleSin

LittleSin

I can't choose!

I love LotR (just marathoned the extended blu-rays and the love has deepened). I find them well acted, well paced and they took the right parts from the books.

I also love Star Wars and this love has grown watching Jet experience it.

So, it's a toss up.


#16

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

LittleSin said:
I can't choose!

I love LotR (just marathoned the extended blu-rays and the love has deepened). I find them well acted, well paced and they took the right parts from the books.

I also love Star Wars and this love has grown watching Jet experience it.

So, it's a toss up.
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No no no. You must choose. It must be one or the other.

You take the blue pill and...wait, no, hang on...


#17

Bowielee

Bowielee

My film professor marks Star Wars as the official start of the death of cinema.

In a way he's right. As witnessed by the current trend of films, explosions win out over character development every time when it comes to the film going experience.

Kind of sad, really.


#18

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

I thought Jaws was considered the death of cinema? It was, after all, the birth of the blockbuster.


#19

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Easy question. Rather have Star Wars and no Lord of the Rings. Even though I love the LOTR movies and rewatch those more regularly than I rewatch Star Wars.
While the LOTR books have been incredibly influential on fiction and even science fiction in books and movies, the same can not really be said, to the same extent anyway, of the LOTR movies.
Without the Star Wars movies, we don't have ILM (So, no Jurassic Park, no Terminator 2, basically CG Animation as we know it is gone), which means we don't have Pixar, and even just as far as purely creative influence and not the physical, technical ramifications, its inpired a tonne of science fiction and fantasy, we don't have Firefly, we don't have Alien (And we probably wouldn't have Lord of the Rings anyway).
Without the Lord of the Rings movies, not a whole lot changes. Mo-Cap is less prominent in movies, movies are shorter, and maybe Game of Thrones wouldn't have gotten turned into a TV show (Which is admittedly a huge blow)

Plus, without the Star Wars movies, we don't have any Star Wars comics, books or toys.
But without the Lord of the Rings movies, we still have the Lord of the Rings books.


#20

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Bowielee said:
My film professor marks Star Wars as the official start of the death of cinema.

In a way he's right. As witnessed by the current trend of films, explosions win out over character development every time when it comes to the film going experience.

Kind of sad, really.
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The kids (14-16, couldn't tell) sitting behind me (and not shutting the fuck up) tonight when I went and saw Chronicle were pretty impressed by the Battleship trailer.


#21

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

I'll be honest, back when I first saw Star Wars (at the tender age of 10-12, I think), I loved the movies to bits. Seriously. I watched Return of the Jedi so many times that in the end the video tape just snapped. I loved the visuals, the story, the music, the characters who while archetypes were also memorable without being walking clichés or cardboard cutouts. I loved how the films felt like they were taking place in this strange yet oddly familiar universe; that when you were watching them, you really were there.

Then came the re-mastered versions in movie theaters. I went to see them because I wanted to see the movies on the silver screen. They were still fantastic, but somehow all of the CG characters added just didn't seem to fit the movie. Like they were there only for showing-off (eg. turning the white walls of Cloud City into views of sunset) or forced comedy (the scene in New Hope where Luke's floating car startles a humongous lizard thingie in Mos Eisley, leaving a Jawa hanging by the reins "comically"). They started feel more like distractions than adding anything new and poignant to the film.

Then came the prequels :( And last month, when I tried to watch the originals (re-mastered) that I had taped on TiVo... I just couldn't find myself enjoying them as I had. Everytime I saw those added CGI effects, I remembered this:

And this:

And mother****ing this:


Those images were carved into my mind, and they actually took out a good chunk of the magic and enjoyment I had felt when watching the original trilogy. And reading the articles where George Lucas keeps saying he'll change more... I lost hope when it comes to Star Wars. For me, the movies I loved as a kid are gone.

Therefore, I choose the universe with LotR in it. And spare you the fanboyish rant why I loved them ;)


#22

Mathias

Mathias

Shegokigo said:
I like how people are confusing the question within the first few posts.

My Answer: LotR universe. Multi-tude of reasons. Mostly becase: Magic > Force
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The Force used to be awesome and mystic, until ...



#23

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

For once, Mathias, we are in complete agreement.


#24

Bowielee

Bowielee

North_Ranger said:
And mother****ing this:


Those images were carved into my mind, and they actually took out a good chunk of the magic and enjoyment I had felt when watching the original trilogy. And reading the articles where George Lucas keeps saying he'll change more... I lost hope when it comes to Star Wars. For me, the movies I loved as a kid are gone.

Therefore, I choose the universe with LotR in it. And spare you the fanboyish rant why I loved them ;)
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I'm with you on jar jar and Anakin, but I thought Yoda's fight scenes were the best in the series, aside from the Darth Maul fight.


#25

Mathias

Mathias

As for living in either universe...

Fact is none of you would live as the "heroes".

Star Wars: YOU would be Lars Owen.

Lord of the Rings: YOU would be a farmer living in the West Fold, or a respectable Hobbit living in Hobbiton with no inclination for any sort of adventure.

shitty farm or shitty planet. hmmmmm


#26

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Bowielee said:
I'm with you on jar jar and Anakin, but I thought Yoda's fight scenes were the best in the series, aside from the Darth Maul fight.
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I just have to agree with Plinkett when it comes to scenes with Yoda and his lightsaber: in the original trilogy, Yoda was a wise old sage who did not need a lightsaber. The Force was his ally, he didn't need to resort to violence and weaponry. He was a philosopher, a sage, a scholar. Not a bouncing ball of green that looks like he should be going "Arriba! Arriba! Andele! Andele!".


#27

Bowielee

Bowielee

I'd be cool with being a Hobbit farmer. Fuck fighting dragons. That shit's dangerous.


#28

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Mathias said:
a respectable Hobbit living in Hobbiton with no inclination for any sort of adventure.
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I could think of worse ways to spend one's years. Good company, good food, lovely neighbourhood, tobacco/weed with no side effects... and no Sand People to f*** up your moisture vaporators.


#29

Mathias

Mathias

North_Ranger said:
I just have to agree with Plinkett when it comes to scenes with Yoda and his lightsaber: in the original trilogy, Yoda was a wise old sage who did not need a lightsaber. The Force was his ally, he didn't need to resort to violence and weaponry. He was a philosopher, a sage, a scholar. Not a bouncing ball of green that looks like he should be going "Arriba! Arriba! Andele! Andele!".
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Agreed. Yoda was still old as fuck during the events of ep. I-III. I could buy it if it was perhaps 500 years earlier and he was only a Jedi Knight. Yoda was beyond using a lightsaber as much as a Jedi Knight was beyond using a blaster.
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North_Ranger said:
I could think of worse ways to spend one's years. Good company, good food, lovely neighbourhood, tobacco/weed with no side effects... and no Sand People to f*** up your moisture vaporators.
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I guess, I was under the assumption that the thread was involving the adventure aspect associated with the films. I think most people in the Star Wars universe were pretty much Lars Owen types - yeah there's cool technology and space travel, but look how long it took Luke to get his ass off on adventure.

As for Lord of the Rings, magic and adventure only exists for a very few. I guess it would be cool to live with the elves in Rivendell...
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Personally, I would want to live in the Star Trek universe. That universe has the greatest chance of an average asshole like me to actually do something that's different from current reality. You've got to be super smart to be a cadet in the Federation, but growing up in that universe, I'd imagine that joining the Federation would be akin to joining a civil service organization. I mean, being a captain would be impossible as hell, but I'd be content working in engineering or as a science officer.


#30

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Except life sucks if you're a redshirt.

And the only alcohol that you've got is synthenol.


#31

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

North_Ranger said:
Except life's short if you're a redshirt.
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Fixed.


#32

TommiR

TommiR

Mathias said:
As for living in either universe...

Fact is none of you would live as the "heroes".

Star Wars: YOU would be Lars Owen.

Lord of the Rings: YOU would be a farmer living in the West Fold, or a respectable Hobbit living in Hobbiton with no inclination for any sort of adventure.

shitty farm or shitty planet. hmmmmm
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The 'heroes' in both universes can be very exceptional people, true. But I don't think that means even a fairly average person couldn't experience something akin to an 'adventure'.

In SW, if you are a human, join up with the imperial military and fight against the rebels, pirates, or other scum of the universe. Or desert and go over to the rebellion if that's more your thing.

I LotR, a Westfold farmer could travel to Gondor and become a mercenary against Mordor.

A hobbit probably wouldn't have many opportunities for questy type of things. Unless of course if a wizard manipulates a group of dwarves into pressgangin you for a mission where they send you first into the lair of a dragon.

I never quite understood what Gandalf was hoping to accomplish with that, by the way. Surely he didn't think thirteen dwarves and a hobbit had much of chance against a dragon that had soloed Erebor. I don't get it, unless if Gandalf was a bit more ruthless than he comes across in the movies.


#33

North_Ranger

North_Ranger

Maybe he hoped to find something fat and chewy for Smaug to chew on while he and the dwarves looted the place clean.


#34

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

I'm pretty sure he planned on meeting back up with them in Laketown, but his errand with the White Council proved to take longer than anticipated.


#35

TommiR

TommiR

Yes, attacks on Dark Lords can involve unforseen complications. In fact, baser minds could speculate that Erebor was a suicide mission to keep Smaug from interfering with the White Council's assault on Dol Guldur.


#36

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

Its difficult to judge just how much Gandalf is able to foresee. Its possible he knew events would transpire just as they had, or atleast that he had the same sort of unclear foresight he exhibited in Lord of the Rings when he told Frodo that Gollum still had some part to play.


#37

Terrik

Terrik

Some part to play, indeed.


#38

redthirtyone

redthirtyone

Because somebody has to:



#39

Bowielee

Bowielee

As much as I hate to back up Mathias' earlier point, how many of us here have grand adventures in THIS world. Cause it's certainly possible. His point is that if we aren't having those adventures in our world, how would they be any different in another one.


#40

Mathias

Mathias

TommiR said:
The 'heroes' in both universes can be very exceptional people, true. But I don't think that means even a fairly average person couldn't experience something akin to an 'adventure'.

In SW, if you are a human, join up with the imperial military and fight against the rebels, pirates, or other scum of the universe. Or desert and go over to the rebellion if that's more your thing.

I LotR, a Westfold farmer could travel to Gondor and become a mercenary against Mordor.

A hobbit probably wouldn't have many opportunities for questy type of things. Unless of course if a wizard manipulates a group of dwarves into pressgangin you for a mission where they send you first into the lair of a dragon.

I never quite understood what Gandalf was hoping to accomplish with that, by the way. Surely he didn't think thirteen dwarves and a hobbit had much of chance against a dragon that had soloed Erebor. I don't get it, unless if Gandalf was a bit more ruthless than he comes across in the movies.
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In real life, you can join up with the U.S. Army and fight against insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In real life a farmer's son could travel to New York City, and get caught up in the mob - living the live like in Goodfellas.

My point is if you live as an average schmuck in this reality, you would do the same shit in another one. I'm no exception, which is why I would choose the Star Trek universe. The average shit thing to do in Star Trek is to go to space and have sex with sexy aliens.
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Bowielee said:
As much as I hate to back up Mathias' earlier point, how many of us here have grand adventures in THIS world. Cause it's certainly possible. His point is that if we aren't having those adventures in our world, how would they be any different in another one.
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Yes sir. It's easy to imagine that these fantasy worlds offer something better than this reality because you're looking at them through the eyes of the people having the adventure.
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checkeredhat said:
Its difficult to judge just how much Gandalf is able to foresee. Its possible he knew events would transpire just as they had, or atleast that he had the same sort of unclear foresight he exhibited in Lord of the Rings when he told Frodo that Gollum still had some part to play.
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Yeah, I think the wisdom of Gandalf is portrayed to be so great that it can probably almost be mistaken for foresight.


#41

Steve

Steve

Bowielee said:
As much as I hate to back up Mathias' earlier point, how many of us here have grand adventures in THIS world.
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We wouldn't but this brings up another reason we'd all rather live in the Star Wars universe. They have great technology and surely the internet exists there. We would all be on some futuristic space version of Halforums complaining about how the Darth Vader documentary was nothing more than propaganda and throwing props to Anon for disabling the Deathstar. In LotR's universe we'd all be working in some cornfield cursing the gods for our 200 year life span.


#42

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

@ Mathias - Negative. There is less law and order in the world of LotR than there is IRL. There are also magical elements that can be studied and learned, magical items that can be procured and such. None of which exist in our world. We are mundane because our world is mundane. I'm not in the military because I was turned away. I'm not on the police force because I find that type of authority completely against my nature. I live a life of "average schmuck" here because the world around me is "average".


#43

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Shegokigo said:
I live a life of "average schmuck" here because the world around me is "average".
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Leave Texas?

:p


#44

Mathias

Mathias

Shegokigo said:
@ Mathias - Negative. There is less law and order in the world of LotR than there is IRL. There are also magical elements that can be studied and learned, magical items that can be procured and such. None of which exist in our world. We are mundane because our world is mundane. I'm not in the military because I was turned away. I'm not on the police force because I find that type of authority completely against my nature. I live a life of "average schmuck" here because the world around me is "average".
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You're wrong.

The magical elements that exist in Middle Earth belong to the Elves, the 5 Wizards, rare human nobility (Dunedain), and various other demi-Gods. You could not study them. You could not master them as a human. These powers were granted to very specific races.

There is plenty of law and order in LotR. The whole damn book is riddled with moral code and honor. If there is anything more despised in the universe of Lord of the Rings it's the chaotic - represented as Sauron himself. Oh and one of the major themes of the novel is how orthodox it was that a hum-drum hobbit like Frodo was the savior of all. Chances of having a grand adventure in Middle Earth = slim to none. Chances of toiling away on a farm in the West Fold for the rest of your days, or working as a merchant in Minas Tirith? All sources point to yes. Why bother with day dreaming? Go to the midwest and strap on your farmer hat.

Oh shit, I almost forgot. If you're existing during the War of the Ring, as a human: if you live in Rohan, you pretty much get the Bosnian or Somali treatment; if you live in Gondor, you're pretty much hanging out on the Gaza strip.


#45

Dave

Dave

In LotR just leaving the village in which you were born is considered an adventure.


#46

@Li3n

@Li3n

Mathias said:
The magical elements that exist in Middle Earth belong to the Elves, the 5 Wizards, rare human nobility (Dunedain), and various other demi-Gods. You could not study them. You could not master them as a human. These powers were granted to very specific races.
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Actually i'm pretty sure it's implied that magic can be done by anyone with the right knowledge, it's just that said knowledge is very hard to come by, and as with all power tends to corrupt (you mentioned the Dunedain?), so the valar don't share it much any more. Sauron on the other hand gives it to those that are useful to him, while enslaving them...

I mean the elves don't have any magic artifacts that pre-date going to Valinor.

And let's be honest, Shego would go sorceror on us, and Mumakil stomp people for shit and giggles...


#47

Mathias

Mathias

@Li3n said:
Actually i'm pretty sure it's implied that magic can be done by anyone with the right knowledge, it's just that said knowledge is very hard to come by, and as with all power tends to corrupt (you mentioned the Dunedain?), so the valar don't share it much any more. Sauron on the other hand gives it to those that are useful to him, while enslaving them...

I mean the elves don't have any magic artifacts that pre-date going to Valinor.

And let's be honest, Shego would go sorceror on us, and Mumakil stomp people for shit and giggles...
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Yes the Dunedain are one of the few human races in Middle Earth that posses hereditary magical ability. Aragorn is able to heal the sick for example.

The valar and maiar are the only ones that poses true "magic" so to speak. I didn't want to get technical so I just used the term demi-Gods. And Sauron does all the magic with the rings; not the wraths. The population of mankind itself does not possess any magical ability. There are no human wizards in Middle Earth. The only thing a human could do is maybe wield an Elven blade in battle (if that), or find some mithril and forge it into a armor. Nope, wait, they can't even do that as the elves and dwarves are the only races that have mastered smelting it.

Are there ways the average Joe can stumble upon magical shit in LotR? Yes. Is it a common occurrence? Nope. Not at all. Shego would not be a sorcerer. At best, she'd be a thief. Like I mentioned earlier, the LotR has a strict honor and moral code associated with nobility. If she's not a murderous thief in our universe because she's afraid of prison, she'd fair no better in Middle Earth.

Anyway, my point is that if you're not Indiana Jones in this universe, chances are you wouldn't get off your family farm in Middle Earth, or leave your birth planet in the Star Wars universe. With Star Trek, joining the Federation is pretty much akin to going to college today.


#48

Espy

Espy

Are we really arguing about whether or not peoples unrealistic daydream discussions about fantasy universes are unrealistic?

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#49

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#50

strawman

strawman

Espy said:
Are we really arguing about whether or not peoples unrealistic daydream discussions about fantasy universes are unrealistic?
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You must be new here.

Welcome to Halforums!


#51

Espy

Espy

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You must be new here.

Welcome to Halforums!
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I am! Thanks! :awesome:


#52

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I'll take Star Wars... I'd rather live a normal life expectancy with access to medical droids, than have a short, brutish life...


#53

drawn_inward

drawn_inward

If it meant there would be no LotR books too, then I'd give up SW. Otherwise, LotR movies can go.


#54

Dave

Dave

I'd rather have holodecks and indoor plumbing.


#55

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

Mathias, for the most part, is actually right though. Most people would reflect themselves equally in the fantasy world as their real world counter parts. Would I be a sorceror? Maybe not, maybe I would. Who's to say how and to whom I would have been born to? How I would have been raised, where it would have occured and what life choices I would have been given. It boils down to basically what kind of person you are "inside" not what your enviroment has created for you. Most people wouldn't become sorcerors/thieves/murderers in the fantasy world for reasons tied more to who they are at a base level than based on how their enviroment shaped them in the real world. Most would be happy to live out fruitful lives with loved ones and friends, enjoying the fruits of simple labor.

I can only speak for myself in the sense that deep down, if the options were available to me, I'd be making every single effort to grasp at any kind of power that would give me a real advantage over others. In an enviroment where there is no "current technology" crime labs, it'd be much like the early 1900s were here. With the right motivation and access to tools, serial killers and thieves livedand thrived for decades without being caught (See Carl Panzram or Albert Fish for reference) if they were caught at all. Add to that magical weapons/clothing spread throughout the realm and you have the potential for real carnage.

Which basically brings me to my point. Would I be some all powerful supreme leader of Evil? In a "realistic" sense? Probably not, unless birth/race/luck rolled dice in my favor. Otherwise I'd probably be a gleefull mass murderer, happily living out my days slitting throats, raping and torturing till I either retired wealthy from the right kill (rich landowner, taking all their possesions) or dying horribly to attacking the wrong target. Either way my life would be the free daydream become reality I imagine it would be. The end result mostly hinging on how much training I would be able to absorb at a young age from various non-savory types and if I were able to come into possesion of any kind of magical artifact.

@Dave - There are no holodecks in Star Wars. You're thinking Trek.


#56

Dave

Dave

They could have them and we just didn't see them. They have holographic image projectors over incredibly vast distances. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they exist.


#57

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

Pssst, just admit it was a senior moment and we'll go from snickering to pity ;)

Also, who'd want a holodeck with those weak ass blue/scrambly/non-touchable holograms anyway?


#58

Covar

Covar

World with no LOTR movies.

Star Wars is one of the pillars of modern science fiction movies and tv shows. Without it the entire genre would be different. Hell it even has an impact on one of the other major pillars, Star Trek. and that's not getting into the impact beyond science-fiction which includes Pixar.

Now if the question involved the LOTR books, aka "Hi I'm the basis for modern fantasy", it would be a much harder decision.


#59

Dave

Dave

Not a senior moment at all. I just think that the differences between Trek/Wars is different, but most of the tech is similar. For example, of course they didn't show a holodeck in Wars. Most of the ships were either authoritarian & military ships or they were smuggling vessels. We really saw no massive exploration ships which we see in Trek. Granted, the Trek ships are capable of combat, but not in the scale that a Wars ship is.

And the holograms you see in communications are over Darwin only knows how far away and how degraded the signal gets. I'd say that a holodeck would be possible due to the power for these being shipside and not having to transmit over vast distances.


#60

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

The prequels showed plenty of ships that were very capable of showing off Holo-technology. The Trade Ships, the ships that Royalty used etc. I'll go a step further and denounce Holodecks in Star Wars by reminding you of all the training scenes in the Jedi Temple. Of all places in the universe you'd find training simulation holo-decks, would have been there and there wasn't any. I'll go a few more steps further and add in all of the extended Universe novels I've come across or games I've played, there also has been absolutely nothing resembling a Holo-Deck. Best you get is "decent resolution" holograms that must come from a "projector".


#61

Dave

Dave

The training places are an excellent argument. I concede.


#62

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

At least you get wicked lightsabers? AmIright?

Oh wait, Mathias says you can't have one. No glowstick for you! ;)


#63

Mathias

Mathias

Espy said:
Are we really arguing about whether or not peoples unrealistic daydream discussions about fantasy universes are unrealistic?

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Shut up, you say this all the time. If you don't like it, stay out.


#64

Adam

Adammon

LOTR, because I'd be able to say "I put on my robe and wizard hat." and have it be true.


#65

Espy

Espy

Mathias said:
Shut up, you say this all the time. If you don't like it, stay out.
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#66

@Li3n

@Li3n

Mathias said:
Yes the Dunedain are one of the few human races in Middle Earth that posses hereditary magical ability. Aragorn is able to heal the sick for example.

The valar and maiar are the only ones that poses true "magic" so to speak. I didn't want to get technical so I just used the term demi-Gods.
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That bolded text was a reference to Numenor actually... you know, the humans that where at elf levels of advancement.

And you're more right then you seem to know when you use "demigod"... Aragorn was a descendant of Melian, a maia, that's why he had innate power...and he still had to use a plant though...

And the elves seems to rely mostly on artifacts (Elrond had a ring when he summoned the flood against the ringwraiths)... because compared to D&D LotR magic is way more subdued and takes a lot more effort...

And then there's the Beornings, who can turn into bears, and don't seem to be descended from any magical being, just some guy that knew to talk to horses and trees for some reason...

But i remember that someone did mention human sorcerors and other things in the books (like magic rings that where not Rings of Power)... of course it could have been something Tolkien later abandoned... i mean the Sillmarillion wasn't even finished, and Unfinished Tales speaks for itself...

So i don't think someone not born into it has no chance, just that it's very hard and unlikely... i wasn't really arguing against that part. But i'm pretty sure Shego would eventually find some being to give her power in exchange for human sacrifice... unless she dies of dysentery first.

Of course you're right about Star Trek, it does offer the best chances... as long as you avoid serving in any capacity that requires you to wear the red shirt...


#67

@Li3n

@Li3n

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Oh, and concerning the original question... LotR... because no SW film = no SW, while for LotR the books would still be there...


#68

phil

phil

Matrix Trilogy

:awesome:


#69

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

To answer the original question; Lord of the Rings. Star Wars only has one woman in the whole universe.


#70

checkeredhat

checkeredhat

HCGLNS said:
To answer the original question; Lord of the Rings. Star Wars only has one woman in the whole universe.
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http://www.cracked.com/video_18249_why-star-wars-secretly-terrifying-women.html


#71

HCGLNS

HCGLNS

It's kind of an odd question, without the Star Wars movies, there is no Star Wars but there will always be Tolkiens books. As a father of a daughter, I don't like the marginalization of women in the original trilogy. Yes, each story is male centric with a singular prominent female side character, but at least Tolkien has more than one female character of note throughout the movies.


#72

@Li3n

@Li3n

HCGLNS said:
but at least Tolkien has more than one female character of note throughout the movies.
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That wasn't Tolkien...


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