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http://wonkette.com/442809/texas-vo...ional-family-values-centers-for-heterosexuals

gee. I didn't think Texan has this issue.

The article is right. Too long have the rights of heterosexuals been oppressed. It's about time that someone made sure there were centers where heterosexuals could go to feel safe, especially at colleges where the insidious homosexual agenda has long held sway. Where else could one go to meet other straight people? Parties? Libraries? Cafeterias? Dorm rooms? I mean, come on.

I couldn't think of a better way to spend taxpayer money.

They want to build that crap, and I am facing down more layoffs?

I thought that the place in college to go to get your heterosexual issues worked out was just called...college.

Am I the only one amused by the fact that the author of the amendment has the last name Christian?

Other than the cost, I see nothing disagreeable about this.

Adammon said:

Other than the cost, I see nothing disagreeable about this.

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I have a problem with the fact that a lawmaker thinks universities specifically teach "alternative sexual behaviors."

Tress said:

I have a problem with the fact that a lawmaker thinks universities specifically teach "alternative sexual behaviors."

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There are a lot of gay outreach programs at colleges/universities.

Adammon said:

There are a lot of gay outreach programs at colleges/universities.

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Well, yes, but straight people generally don't feel the need to hide their sexual orientation from family and friends. College outreach programs for gay youths give them a place where they can acknowledge their sexuality without fear for the first time. An outreach program for straights...does what exactly?

It never ceases to amaze me how fucking scared and fucked up Americans can get of anything related to sexuality.

Norris said:

Well, yes, but straight people generally don't feel the need to hide their sexual orientation from family and friends. College outreach programs for gay youths give them a place where they can acknowledge their sexuality without fear for the first time. An outreach program for straights...does what exactly?

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The same? A place to ask questions about sex that can be answered in a non-judgmental fashion, without fear of reprisal or misinformation?

Reprisal for heterosexuality? Whuh?

North_Ranger said:

It never ceases to amaze me how fucking scared and fucked up Americans can get of anything related to sexuality.

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The same way how fucking scared and fucked up Europeans can get around anything related to violence I suppose. Different values.
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North_Ranger said:

Reprisal for heterosexuality? Whuh?

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Reprisals for the results of heterosexual sex are still relatively common.

Adammon said:

Reprisals for the results of heterosexual sex is still relatively common.

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Oh right. Yes. Sorry. Must be late. Brain asleep.

Also, please don't compare sex to violence. My brain is too asleep to deal with that kind of comparison without being obnoxious.

North_Ranger said:

Oh right. Yes. Sorry. Must be late. Brain asleep.

Also, please don't compare sex to violence. My brain is too asleep to deal with that kind of comparison without being obnoxious.

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I'm not comparing the two. I'm comparing attitudes towards the two. One culture abhors violence, the other fears sexuality. One celebrates violence, the other celebrates sexuality. Not a difficult leap of judgement.

Adammon said:

There are a lot of gay outreach programs at colleges/universities.

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Yes, but what does that have to do with teaching alternative sexual behaviors? That was my original point.

Tress said:

Yes, but what does that have to do with teaching alternative sexual behaviors? That was my original point.

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I guess I don't see how that's relevant to the amendment which requires:

"state colleges and universities, if they use state funds to support "a gender and sexuality center," to spend an equal amount on a center promoting "family and traditional values.""

Adammon said:

The same? A place to ask questions about sex that can be answered in a non-judgmental fashion, without fear of reprisal or misinformation?

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We already got those. They're called university health centers.

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Also, the only thing gender equality and sexuality centers promote is, well, equality. They're not promoting "alternative sex practices." Unless you actually think they're going around trying to convert straights.

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I guess I don't see how that's relevant to the amendment which requires:

"state colleges and universities, if they use state funds to support "a gender and sexuality center," to spend an equal amount on a center promoting "family and traditional values.""

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Again, my main complaint was that a lawmaker thinks that colleges TEACH alternative sexual behaviors. He says it as though there were a class on how to give oral sex to members of the same sex, and a class on how to use a dildo, and so on. The whole reason that these centers are being built is to combat some phantom agenda where college students are being indoctrinated by the school itself. That's why I think this whole thing is stupid. I wasn't questioning the center, or its value, in my comment - just that a lawmaker is so paranoid and homophobic that he makes statements implying that colleges are giving "the gay" to students.

And drifter is right. These things are not needed. Student health centers are perfectly fine for the task.

drifter said:

We already got those. They're called university health centers.

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Exactly. If a uhc requires more funding or more developed support programs, that's one thing, but that's specifically not how the amendment is framing the issue. It's framing it as yet another "traditional values are under attack!" statement.

It's kind of like when I argued with a friend about gay marriage.

ME: Why shouldn't gay marriage be legalized?

(MARRIED) HIM: Why should gay people get special treatment?

SpecialKO said:

Exactly. If a uhc requires more funding or more developed support programs, that's one thing, but that's specifically not how the amendment is framing the issue. It's framing it as yet another "traditional values are under attack!" statement.

It's kind of like when I argued with a friend about gay marriage.

ME: Why shouldn't gay marriage be legalized?

(MARRIED) HIM: Why should gay people get special treatment?

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And this is the heart of the matter. It's simply "I don't like homosexuals, I don't like people who have pre-marital sex, and I don't like people who don't fit neatly into my preconceptions. The fact that these people exist must mean that I'm somehow being oppressed, and I am uncomfortable with things that are different. Therefore we need to make centers on campus where I can reassert my hegemony."

"I don't like heterosexuals, I don't like people who have marital sex, and I don't like people who don't fit neatly into my preconceptions. The fact that these people exist must mean that I'm somehow being oppressed, and I am uncomfortable with things that are different. Therefore we need to make centers on campus where I can assert my hegemony."

And with that, I remove myself from the thread. Exit stage left!

Adammon said:

"I don't like heterosexuals, I don't like people who have marital sex, and I don't like people who don't fit neatly into my preconceptions. The fact that these people exist must mean that I'm somehow being oppressed, and I am uncomfortable with things that are different. Therefore we need to make centers on campus where I can assert my hegemony."

And with that, I remove myself from the thread. Exit stage left!

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Show me where anyone has had that problem. I dare you. I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority.

Because I'm pretty sure you're just talking out of your ass at this point.

Tress said:

I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority.

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I'm sure it's happened before, but we're talking in the context of on-campus student health centers.

Tress said:

Show me where anyone has had that problem. I dare you. I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority.

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Sparta?

escushion said:

Sparta?

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WRONG!

The right answer would be Athens, the Spartans actually allowed their women to go outside and even talk...
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Adammon said:

Reprisals for the results of heterosexual sex are still relatively common.

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And they actually cared about that they'd be making centers for that in high schools... by the time you're in college 99% of people already know how to avoid that...

Yeah, sounds like a waste of tax money.

Then again we waste tax money on a lot worse things but still, why add more wood to the fire?

North_Ranger said:

Reprisal for heterosexuality? Whuh?

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Like the kid that got kicked off the championship caliber basketball team because he fucked a girl...
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Adammon said:

The same? A place to ask questions about sex that can be answered in a non-judgmental fashion, without fear of reprisal or misinformation?

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If it is a "family values" program there will be a lot of pressure to not have any pre-marital sex, and to not use contraception. If for Christ's sake you have sex, only man on top, none of that Sodomy stuff on this campus...

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Like the kid that got kicked off the championship caliber basketball team because he fucked a girl...
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That would be a reprisal for pre-marital relations at a private religious university. The reprisals for being gay tend to involve more hurled invectives. threats of violence, and violence.

escushion said:

Sparta?

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I laughed so hard at "300" when Leonidas made that gay/pederast joke about Athens... I guess Miller did not read about Sparta's military or sexual history.

Tress said:

I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority.

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Tress, you got it all wrong. It's not about a heterosexual minority being oppressed by a homosexual majority. It's about a heterosexual majority feeling oppressed by the existence of homosexuality.

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I laughed so hard at "300" when Leonidas made that gay/pederast joke about Athens... I guess Miller did not read about Sparta's military or sexual history.

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Well the Spartans where less "gay" about having homosexual sex with teenagers...so i just take it as Miller mistranslating the actual insult.

And you sure you're not confusing them with Thebes (Sacred Band of Thebes) when you involve Sparta's military history?

Gods, I hate shit like this. This didn't evolve out of some pressing need. This is all so some white old fucks with names like Christian can feel better about themselves despite all the wangdoodles in the world whackin' together. Well guess what, white old fucks - you're not going to be around forever, and dudes with the hots for each other are. Suck on that, you bib-needin' cock-knobs.

Goddamit, why can't we just give love a chance.

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and dudes with the hots for each other are.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. No one told me that homosexuality makes you immortal.

Does science know this?

Espy has learned far too much about the true gay agenda. He must be silenced.

Espy said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. No one told me that homosexuality makes you immortal.

Does science know this?

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I'm pretty sure this is what the Super Adventure Club believes...

Espy said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. No one told me that homosexuality makes you immortal.

Does science know this?

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It's homosexuality's second-best kept secret. Right after sparkling in the sunshine.

Baerdog said:

Espy has learned far too much about the true gay agenda. He must be silenced.

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Indeed. His cigarettes have been specially modified to cause cancer in a couple of decades.

Baerdog said:

Espy has learned far too much about the true gay agenda. He must be silenced.

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At the rate he's smoking, from such a young age too, i have a feeling that will take care of itself in due time...

I feel like this is just more of a ploy to shut down the LGBT centers. If faced with having to spend more money on a new program or use it as an excuse to shut down another and save some, I'm guessing they'll go with "shut 'er down"