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http://wonkette.com/442809/texas-vo...ional-family-values-centers-for-heterosexuals
gee. I didn't think Texan has this issue.
gee. I didn't think Texan has this issue.
I have a problem with the fact that a lawmaker thinks universities specifically teach "alternative sexual behaviors."Other than the cost, I see nothing disagreeable about this.
There are a lot of gay outreach programs at colleges/universities.I have a problem with the fact that a lawmaker thinks universities specifically teach "alternative sexual behaviors."
Well, yes, but straight people generally don't feel the need to hide their sexual orientation from family and friends. College outreach programs for gay youths give them a place where they can acknowledge their sexuality without fear for the first time. An outreach program for straights...does what exactly?There are a lot of gay outreach programs at colleges/universities.
The same? A place to ask questions about sex that can be answered in a non-judgmental fashion, without fear of reprisal or misinformation?Well, yes, but straight people generally don't feel the need to hide their sexual orientation from family and friends. College outreach programs for gay youths give them a place where they can acknowledge their sexuality without fear for the first time. An outreach program for straights...does what exactly?
The same way how fucking scared and fucked up Europeans can get around anything related to violence I suppose. Different values.It never ceases to amaze me how fucking scared and fucked up Americans can get of anything related to sexuality.
Reprisals for the results of heterosexual sex are still relatively common.Reprisal for heterosexuality? Whuh?
Oh right. Yes. Sorry. Must be late. Brain asleep.Reprisals for the results of heterosexual sex is still relatively common.
I'm not comparing the two. I'm comparing attitudes towards the two. One culture abhors violence, the other fears sexuality. One celebrates violence, the other celebrates sexuality. Not a difficult leap of judgement.Oh right. Yes. Sorry. Must be late. Brain asleep.
Also, please don't compare sex to violence. My brain is too asleep to deal with that kind of comparison without being obnoxious.
Yes, but what does that have to do with teaching alternative sexual behaviors? That was my original point.There are a lot of gay outreach programs at colleges/universities.
I guess I don't see how that's relevant to the amendment which requires:Yes, but what does that have to do with teaching alternative sexual behaviors? That was my original point.
We already got those. They're called university health centers.The same? A place to ask questions about sex that can be answered in a non-judgmental fashion, without fear of reprisal or misinformation?
Again, my main complaint was that a lawmaker thinks that colleges TEACH alternative sexual behaviors. He says it as though there were a class on how to give oral sex to members of the same sex, and a class on how to use a dildo, and so on. The whole reason that these centers are being built is to combat some phantom agenda where college students are being indoctrinated by the school itself. That's why I think this whole thing is stupid. I wasn't questioning the center, or its value, in my comment - just that a lawmaker is so paranoid and homophobic that he makes statements implying that colleges are giving "the gay" to students.I guess I don't see how that's relevant to the amendment which requires:
"state colleges and universities, if they use state funds to support "a gender and sexuality center," to spend an equal amount on a center promoting "family and traditional values.""
Exactly. If a uhc requires more funding or more developed support programs, that's one thing, but that's specifically not how the amendment is framing the issue. It's framing it as yet another "traditional values are under attack!" statement.We already got those. They're called university health centers.
And this is the heart of the matter. It's simply "I don't like homosexuals, I don't like people who have pre-marital sex, and I don't like people who don't fit neatly into my preconceptions. The fact that these people exist must mean that I'm somehow being oppressed, and I am uncomfortable with things that are different. Therefore we need to make centers on campus where I can reassert my hegemony."Exactly. If a uhc requires more funding or more developed support programs, that's one thing, but that's specifically not how the amendment is framing the issue. It's framing it as yet another "traditional values are under attack!" statement.
It's kind of like when I argued with a friend about gay marriage.
ME: Why shouldn't gay marriage be legalized?
(MARRIED) HIM: Why should gay people get special treatment?
Show me where anyone has had that problem. I dare you. I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority."I don't like heterosexuals, I don't like people who have marital sex, and I don't like people who don't fit neatly into my preconceptions. The fact that these people exist must mean that I'm somehow being oppressed, and I am uncomfortable with things that are different. Therefore we need to make centers on campus where I can assert my hegemony."
And with that, I remove myself from the thread. Exit stage left!
I'm sure it's happened before, but we're talking in the context of on-campus student health centers.I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority.
Sparta?Show me where anyone has had that problem. I dare you. I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority.
WRONG!Sparta?
And they actually cared about that they'd be making centers for that in high schools... by the time you're in college 99% of people already know how to avoid that...Reprisals for the results of heterosexual sex are still relatively common.
Like the kid that got kicked off the championship caliber basketball team because he fucked a girl...Reprisal for heterosexuality? Whuh?
If it is a "family values" program there will be a lot of pressure to not have any pre-marital sex, and to not use contraception. If for Christ's sake you have sex, only man on top, none of that Sodomy stuff on this campus...The same? A place to ask questions about sex that can be answered in a non-judgmental fashion, without fear of reprisal or misinformation?
That would be a reprisal for pre-marital relations at a private religious university. The reprisals for being gay tend to involve more hurled invectives. threats of violence, and violence.Like the kid that got kicked off the championship caliber basketball team because he fucked a girl...
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I laughed so hard at "300" when Leonidas made that gay/pederast joke about Athens... I guess Miller did not read about Sparta's military or sexual history.Sparta?
Tress, you got it all wrong. It's not about a heterosexual minority being oppressed by a homosexual majority. It's about a heterosexual majority feeling oppressed by the existence of homosexuality.I absolutely dare you to show me a time when a homosexual majority oppressed a heterosexual minority.
Well the Spartans where less "gay" about having homosexual sex with teenagers...so i just take it as Miller mistranslating the actual insult.I laughed so hard at "300" when Leonidas made that gay/pederast joke about Athens... I guess Miller did not read about Sparta's military or sexual history.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. No one told me that homosexuality makes you immortal.and dudes with the hots for each other are.