[Announcement] Way to go Supreme Court! Marriage Equality!
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...since I can't find a woman to marry...
Na, I'm still too big of a jerk to live with.
Na, I'm still too big of a jerk to live with.
GasBandit
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When "full faith and credit" is supposed to be a thing, and 37 states have that thing, it only stands to reason that it's a constitutional issue that is probably going to have to be worked out by the supreme court, contrary to what just about every Republican politician is saying today. It's a good thing that same-sex spouses will now have the same legal status for matters affecting their lives together instead of being second class citizens. I expect that in some places, prejudices will persist until there's a generational cycle or two, but this makes that change possible.
figmentPez
Staff member
I'm not looking forward to hearing from my parents about how this is ruining the country. No, it's really not. It's just people declaring each other to be family. They're already having sex, this doesn't change what they're doing. They're not going to be doing any more or any less of what you consider sin. This has no impact on you or on the fate of the nation.
On the other hand, I saw this comment on my Facebook wall, too "America has finally done ONE thing right." Yeah, because that's helpful. Just ignore all other progress America has made. Giving minorities the right to vote? Nah, that wasn't right. Ensuring that everyone has a right to a trial by jury? Nope, that wasn't right either. America hasn't done anything good up until now!
Can both sides stop being so stupid?
On the other hand, I saw this comment on my Facebook wall, too "America has finally done ONE thing right." Yeah, because that's helpful. Just ignore all other progress America has made. Giving minorities the right to vote? Nah, that wasn't right. Ensuring that everyone has a right to a trial by jury? Nope, that wasn't right either. America hasn't done anything good up until now!
Can both sides stop being so stupid?
Dave
Staff member
No.
In some places sure, but in others change will probably happen much faster than expected. Here in Spain (in some ways quite a conservative country, although in a different way than the US I guess) when a law was passed making same sex marriages legal most of the right was outraged, and the conservative party claimed that they would overturn the law. Only 6 years later, when they came to power, people had already realized that the world hadn't ended, their heterosexual unions were no less due to this, etc and there was no support for overturning the law.
So this is great news in more ways than one
Now just to get them to block ALL licenses like other municipalities...
I might need to buy a used Tux, in case all my Gay Friends get married for legals this summer.
GasBandit
Staff member
Well, now that everyone's had plenty of time to bask in the rainbow afterglow, it's time for me to be the bearer of bad news -
This probably isn't over, and it's the supreme court's fault.
Same sex marriage has been a long struggle coming, and it's been winning. 36 states and DC had recognized its legitimacy, and every indication has been that it was a practical inevitability to continue working its way through the remaining 14 as popular support continued to build behind the movement.
And then the Supreme court decided it for everyone. Shortcut to the predictable end result, right? What's the problem?
Roe v Wade.
The main reason why the abortion debate continues to be vicious and acrimonious to this day is because it was not decided democratically, it was decided by the supreme court. That's the problem with a supreme court - if they rule against you, you feel your side lost because of treachery and thus the decision is invalid, and can probably be overturned if you just "get more of your people" in the right places (most importantly, the supreme court). That's why every supreme court nominee for the last 30 years basically couldn't get confirmed unless they all but performed a partial birth abortion live on the senate floor - because those who wish to outlaw it still consider the fight to be ongoing even to this day, because its legality was decided via adjudication, not legislation. It was decreed, not voted.
And now same sex marriage is in the same situation. Do you think them thar rednecks will now roll over and pout quietly for the rest of eternity because of a supreme court decision? When they feel disenfranchised by the "judicial activism of 5 unelected lawyers who answer to no one?" That's the exact phrasing all the right wing talking heads are using at this very moment. They perceive injustice, and it hardens their resolve to dig in their heels and not accept what they see has been imposed upon them.
It's a bit of a shame, really, when all signs indicate that same sex marriage was on its way to universal acceptance via democracy. If opponents were faced with the stark proof of the minority of their belief, there probably would have been more acceptance in the long run that the world has changed and it's just time to accept it. But now, that path is closed, and it would not surprise me if churches that perform gay marriages start to see the same sort of treatment that abortion clinics have been experiencing for the last few decades.[DOUBLEPOST=1435351646,1435351303][/DOUBLEPOST]But hey, on the lighter side...
This probably isn't over, and it's the supreme court's fault.
Same sex marriage has been a long struggle coming, and it's been winning. 36 states and DC had recognized its legitimacy, and every indication has been that it was a practical inevitability to continue working its way through the remaining 14 as popular support continued to build behind the movement.
And then the Supreme court decided it for everyone. Shortcut to the predictable end result, right? What's the problem?
Roe v Wade.
The main reason why the abortion debate continues to be vicious and acrimonious to this day is because it was not decided democratically, it was decided by the supreme court. That's the problem with a supreme court - if they rule against you, you feel your side lost because of treachery and thus the decision is invalid, and can probably be overturned if you just "get more of your people" in the right places (most importantly, the supreme court). That's why every supreme court nominee for the last 30 years basically couldn't get confirmed unless they all but performed a partial birth abortion live on the senate floor - because those who wish to outlaw it still consider the fight to be ongoing even to this day, because its legality was decided via adjudication, not legislation. It was decreed, not voted.
And now same sex marriage is in the same situation. Do you think them thar rednecks will now roll over and pout quietly for the rest of eternity because of a supreme court decision? When they feel disenfranchised by the "judicial activism of 5 unelected lawyers who answer to no one?" That's the exact phrasing all the right wing talking heads are using at this very moment. They perceive injustice, and it hardens their resolve to dig in their heels and not accept what they see has been imposed upon them.
It's a bit of a shame, really, when all signs indicate that same sex marriage was on its way to universal acceptance via democracy. If opponents were faced with the stark proof of the minority of their belief, there probably would have been more acceptance in the long run that the world has changed and it's just time to accept it. But now, that path is closed, and it would not surprise me if churches that perform gay marriages start to see the same sort of treatment that abortion clinics have been experiencing for the last few decades.[DOUBLEPOST=1435351646,1435351303][/DOUBLEPOST]But hey, on the lighter side...
I posted on the FB page of our local newspaper that I was an ordained minister if anyone wanted to get married. They deleted it.
9/11 was the attack of Muslims on Capitalists.
6/26 was the attack of Liberals on Christians.
...or something something.
GasBandit
Staff member
Dammit, I saw an image in imgur earlier this week that'd be perfect for here... but of course I didn't know there'd be a need to display a great tragedy befalling canada so I just moved on past it, and now it's lost forever buried beneath the ever churning avalanche of memes, boobs and cats. And searching for it won't help because everybody's gotta have a stupid clever title/tag on their submission instead of an actual description.
Anyway, so pretend I've posted a jpg here of a Canadian police officer on his knees, screaming to the heavens, in front of a permanently closed Tim Horton's.
I saw that on Twitter! It was wonderful.
Very happy to hear this news. As @GasBandit said, though, the fight's not over. It's a big step in the right direction, but it's still not over.
With that said, how come we haven't heard about all those pastors who promised to light themselves on fire? Dammit, I had the smores ready and everything!
Hot dogs might be the better choice. All those phallic symbols.
Very happy to hear this news. As @GasBandit said, though, the fight's not over. It's a big step in the right direction, but it's still not over.
With that said, how come we haven't heard about all those pastors who promised to light themselves on fire? Dammit, I had the smores ready and everything!
Well...I mean...if you want a DIFFERENT sex imagery, there's also melted marshmallows.
oh nm it's still there. someone asked me what bible I was reading. I almost want to reply the bible of satan, our one true lord.... but I won't.
Well, duh. We all know "Satan, our one Lady" is far more fun.
How to Serve People.