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A spinoff of the villains thread.

What heroes did you want to see beat up? That doesn't mean that the bad guys win, necessarily, because bad guys winning can be a terrible thing. But you just HATE the heroes.

For me one of the biggies is He-Man. I wanted to see that wussy slapped down hard.

Ditto on He-man. And his disguise is worse than Clark Kent.

Cyclops from X-men. He is an arrogant jerk, he treated his first and second wives like shit, and he is way too strict on his team. Also, how the hell hasn't anyone killed him? He has a beam that he literally can't control and needs time to target things and someone hasn't come up with the idea to just chop his head off when he's not looking? THIS IS BASIC LOGIC!

And depending on the writer: Superman and Batman. If they have the right writer they are great, but they have had some SHITTY writers in the past. Superman would sometimes be too whiney or judgmental, and Batman would be...All stars Batman. Don't need to say any more than that.

Jason Todd/Robin, wait never mind...[DOUBLEPOST=1346955848][/DOUBLEPOST]How about heroes that you get tired of seeing slapped around...

The Question late 80's run, he got his ass handed to him by every low-life crack-head in Hub City.

Rusty Venture's dad, Jonas. And most of the original Team Venture for that matter!

The entire illuminati from Marvel comics. Oh aren't you guys soooooooooooo special! You guys totally deserved to get the reality gems. The civil war was SUCH a good idea. And sending off Hulk to a planet where he'd be enslaved by a gladiator ring? BRILLIANT! Even if they didn't kill his wife it was still a dick move.

All of them, of course. Except the Tick. He's ok.

Yoshimickster said:

The entire illuminati from Marvel comics. Oh aren't you guys soooooooooooo special! You guys totally deserved to get the reality gems. The civil war was SUCH a good idea. And sending off Hulk to a planet where he'd be enslaved by a gladiator ring? BRILLIANT! Even if they didn't kill his wife it was still a dick move.

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I agree with this. For a bunch of supposed super geniuses, they sure do some insanely stupid things.

Fred from Scooby Doo because he's a complete idiot.

And Cyclops.

And Suì-Fēng from Bleach.

Yoshimickster said:

The entire illuminati from Marvel comics. Oh aren't you guys soooooooooooo special! You guys totally deserved to get the reality gems. The civil war was SUCH a good idea. And sending off Hulk to a planet where he'd be enslaved by a gladiator ring? BRILLIANT! Even if they didn't kill his wife it was still a dick move.

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Niether of those things were their ideas. Half of them didn't even get involved in the Civil War, and those that did were on opposite sides. As for the Hulk, they didn't send him to that planet, they sent him to a nice, peaceful one, something just went terribly wrong on the trip (Curse you random wormholes!).

Jake Sully from Avatar. His stupid shit eating grin, the fact that he was too stupid to warn the damn Navi about the humans, the fact that he is a word for word rip-off of Dances with Wolves, CHRIST!

Reverent-one

Keep in mind, they still forced him to leave, because it was easier than actually helping him. By Marvel superhero standards this is taking the easy way out.

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Reverent-one

Keep in mind, they still forced him to leave, because it was easier than actually helping him. By Marvel superhero standards this is taking the easy way out.

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They all tried to help him as much as they could (Prof X psychically, Doc Strange banishing the Hulk away from Banner , ect), there's simply nothing that can work. Banner couldn't even commit sucide even though he wanted to.

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They all tried to help him as much as they could (Prof X psychically, Doc Strange banishing the Hulk away from Banner , ect), there's simply nothing that can work. Banner couldn't even commit sucide even though he wanted to.

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I know but I still find it weird how they couldn't. This is a world of magic, super-science, and super-science magic and they can't help the Hulk? I just don't buy it. Also back to Civil war, you are right not all of the supported the registration act. But god damn Stark/Pym/Richards, whas wrong whichoo? Killing Goliath and what not. Also, Stark can be a douche-nozzle too at times all on his own. Personally I blame the stupid Extremis thing giving him actual super powers. Made him too cocky. It was cool and all, but like I said it made him too cocky.

No one could save Aunt May from dying either. Some things are still impossible in the Marvel Universe (mostly when the Status Quo/Plot calls for it). As for the Registration Act stuff, the characterization of the Pro-Reg side is so all over the place it's hard to say whether they went way overboard or had decent reasons. But anyway, I was mainly disagreeing with the massive exaggerations in that first post.

Reverent-one said:

They all tried to help him as much as they could (Prof X psychically, Doc Strange banishing the Hulk away from Banner , ect), there's simply nothing that can work. Banner couldn't even commit sucide even though he wanted to.

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Plus there was the whole "Just murdered nearly 50 people, including 17 children because he was having a bad day"

In regards to the random wormhole, they had that covered too, but Hulk in his infinite hissy fit destroyed the navigation unit.

Covar said:

Plus there was the whole "Just murdered nearly 50 people, including 17 children because he was having a bad day"

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Really? I thought he had officially not caused any deaths of innocents. Oh wait, that was a retcon in WWH to make Hulk even more the victim, wasn't it?

Spider-Man mostly because the character has been overexposed for the last 10+ years.

Reverent-one said:

No one could save Aunt May from dying either. Some things are still impossible in the Marvel Universe (mostly when the Status Quo/Plot calls for it). As for the Registration Act stuff, the characterization of the Pro-Reg side is so all over the place it's hard to say whether they went way overboard or had decent reasons. But anyway, I was mainly disagreeing with the massive exaggerations in that first post.

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Now Aunt May's death I will admit is not the registration act's fault. Its SPIDERMAN's fault for admitting to the world that he is a superhero with a billion people who would want to kill him. This was just a dumb, DUMB idea. And rather than accepting her death and forgiving himself(like Aunt May actually said to him as a spirit) he makes a deal with the devil because rather than deal with reality he decides to just Deus ex machina his problems away. I hear they sort of made up for this in Spider Island but it still almost ruined his character for me.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was only bringing up Aunt May as healing her was another thing that was impossible in the Marvel universe, since Spider-man basically went to everyone who's anyone and no one could help him.

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Now Aunt May's death I will admit is not the registration act's fault. Its SPIDERMAN's fault for admitting to the world that he is a superhero with a billion people who would want to kill him. This was just a dumb, DUMB idea. And rather than accepting her death and forgiving himself(like Aunt May actually said to him as a spirit) he makes a deal with the devil because rather than deal with reality he decides to just Deus ex machina his problems away. I hear they sort of made up for this in Spider Island but it still almost ruined his character for me.

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Seemed to have killed the hyphen for you. Spider-Man

Reverent-one said:

Really? I thought he had officially not caused any deaths of innocents. Oh wait, that was a retcon in WWH to make Hulk even more the victim, wasn't it?

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So the Fantastic Four story arc that depicts the events that cause him to be sent to Planet Hulk explicitly mentions him being responsible for nearly 50 deaths (including double digit children). Just a year later WWH had the rediculous retcon that Hulk never killed anyone, not even with manslaughter, because you know math (longshot should be pissed his powers were stolen). This was the first sign that no one at Marvel actually does any research for their stories, as the Trial of the Incredible Hulk wastes away into the continuity ether. Currently you can see the same thing happening with the depiction of the Phoenix Force in AvX, which will make you seriously question if Bendis and friends actually bothered to read the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Reverent-one said:

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was only bringing up Aunt May as healing her was another thing that was impossible in the Marvel universe, since Spider-man basically went to everyone who's anyone and no one could help him.

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This is true and I did make him sound a little douchier than needed and apologize. But the whole devil-deal still happened any way, plus the fact that they used such a major story-line as a way to break up him and Mary Jane was just lame. It also goes against his character seeing as how a theme to him is being given a bad deal and being able to deal with it. Bad move Quesada.

Conan Edogawa from Case Closed. A manga hero, but he can change from kid to adult and has super-shoes so its all good. What pisses me off about him is how in one episode he's given a chance to get help from his dad to find the "men in black." And...he says no because he wants to be with his not-girl friend whom he never had the balls to confess his love to. This is just...dumb. And as cool as the super shoe is....why the fuck didn't he just ask for some form of gun? I mean, how many times is a spherical object going to be in your vicinity to be able to be used? Also, Rachel Moore as well. She is supposed to be some damn super tough karate expert and yet she gets captured more than any other Satan-damned person. She also cries at the damn drop of a hat to, which I guess is supposed to make her seem more compassionate but after the 5th time it happens I'm just like "GROW A DAMN STOMACH!"

Also basically EVERYONE from Burn Notice except Bruce Campbell needs to get punched in their shit-eating grins.

Gusto said:

Also basically EVERYONE from Burn Notice except Bruce Campbell needs to get punched in their shit-eating grins.

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That happens on nearly every episode...

J.D. from Scrubs. After 6 seasons he stops being silly and just an annoying fuck.

Yoshimickster said:

J.D. from Scrubs. After 6 seasons he stops being silly and just an annoying fuck.

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JD got progressively more annoying. Season 3 was definitely my favourite season of Scrubs but easily JD's worst. He spends the whole season being a whiny bitch and then destroys lives at the finale.

Gusto said:

JD got progressively more annoying. Season 3 was definitely my favourite season of Scrubs but easily JD's worst. He spends the whole season being a whiny bitch and then destroys lives at the finale.

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Like how about when he just breaks Elliot's heart right after winning her over . She broke up with that nice sea-trainer and then he pulls that. Wh-why would anyone think that would work? That was probably one of the douchiest things a protagonist could do. My god, what a fucking dick! And then 6 seasons later- HE LOVES HER AGAIN! Dear lord.

Everybody who's ever taken a ride in the Mystery Machine.

Wheeler and Captain Planet. Ma-Ti's okay, if a bit of a pussy.

Everybody in Cow and Chicken.

The mind-reading guy in Heroes.

Dexter. Maybe not slapped around, but I'd love to see the last season or two has him going to prison. Yeah, he kills serial killers, but he's also tampered with evidence on numerous times and killed people that could have just been locked up. Whether that would have solved anything, I don't know, but he started by going after the ones that got away because of a bad system. More and more, he goes after guys that he could simply help gather evidence against and ensure they go away forever.

He's a great character, but it'd be REALLY interesting to do a prison season. Everyone finding out the truth about him would pretty much be the end of the show, but you could still do one more with him in prison or something.

ThatNickGuy said:

Dexter. Maybe not slapped around, but I'd love to see the last season or two has him going to prison. Yeah, he kills serial killers, but he's also tampered with evidence on numerous times and killed people that could have just been locked up. Whether that would have solved anything, I don't know, but he started by going after the ones that got away because of a bad system. More and more, he goes after guys that he could simply help gather evidence against and ensure they go away forever.

He's a great character, but it'd be REALLY interesting to do a prison season. Everyone finding out the truth about him would pretty much be the end of the show, but you could still do one more with him in prison or something.

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Is he really the hero, though, or just a villain we root for?

Honestly, that's why I love the show so much. The character lives in such a foggy, grey area of morality that it's incredibly hard to say whether he's a hero or villain.

Technically I guess it would make him an anti-hero, but that damned phrase has been thrown around so much no-one knows who is or who isn't one these days.

Any of the power rangers because ultimately they are violent vigilantes. Yes, the monsters are causing havoc but they the rangers should still give them due process as any criminal. Some of them don't even kill people, they just make things inconvenient like Putty Pig/Dora Circe who just ate a lot. There was like only two ranger series that did this, and every other one just have them straight up killing the monsters. Still love the series, but the rangers probably need to be put in their place.

Ferris Bueller from Ferris Bueller's day off. He falsified documents, lied about having a terminal illness, and goaded his actually sick friend into stealing his father's car. I don't what his bull-shit philosophy says, he is nothing more than some bourgeois white kid who will get away with anything and never face consequences. It is impossible for me as an adult to like this movie any more because of this.

Yoshimickster said:

J.D. from Scrubs. After 6 seasons he stops being silly and just an annoying fuck.

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So much this. The funny thing about JD is that he's SO annoying, and he's also probably the one that's most like us. He's annoying partly because of his self-centered behavior and his desire for approval and attention. He's your Facebook friend who posts judgmental bullshit and also the "Bad day, don't even ask...*pout*" But I think most people have those moments. We feel we deserve attention and credit, even when we really don't.

People also love their pain the way JD loves his. Everyone knows that person who hates their mostly sheltered upbringing and just really wants some hardcore suffering to justify their whiny, brooding, or attention-seeking ways.

Cajungal
Indeed, I know a few schmucks like this guy as well. This show proves that just because a character is relatable, don't necessarily mean he's enjoyable. Especially since we all know Doctor Cox is the true main character. Really the show should've been about him saying that right here.

Falco Lombardi from Star Fox. Every time I heard "I guess I should be thankful" I wanted to rip his god-damned head off.

Him to. Worst team-mates ever.

I got that song on the Bits of me CD. Pretty much listen to it every day.

Lori from The Walking Dead. I would love to see her get eviscerated by a zombie horde.

The comic or the show? In the comic, I'd get pissed at her a lot, and then I'd say

Cajungal said:

The comic or the show? In the comic, I'd get pissed at her a lot, and then I'd say

Spoiler

"well, she's pregnant." Never having been pregnant, I have no frame of reference for just how bitchy you're allowed to be.

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That excuse runs thin when the dead are walking and trying to kill you.

I'm trying to find a way to reply to this thread without sounding like a massive SM fetishist. And, so far, failing.

So I'll just say sometimes I was rooting for the bad guys when I watched Power Rangers.

Ravenpoe said:

That excuse runs thin when the dead are walking and trying to kill you.

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That was my instinct. But I don't know *just* how miserable that experience is. Not zombies, the other one. Although I can imagine. Both.

bhamv3 said:

I'm trying to find a way to reply to this thread without sounding like a massive SM fetishist. And, so far, failing.

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I almost made that mistake, but then I reread the thread title. I thought it said heroes you want to get slapped around by.

Who wouldn't want to be tied up by Catwoman or Powergirl? (Sorry, Wonder Woman is too obvious)

Cole from PvP.

Gusto said:

Cole from PvP.

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UH-yeah I agree. He started out as the wise leader of the crew and then became some jack ass failed businessmen. Especially when Kurtz retconned it to how he hated Max Powers for stealing his girl-friend...when it was previously established that they hated him because he was a money obsessed jerk who didn't know he was a money obsessed jerk. In fact, I hate it how Max Powers is a nice character now. Max was best when he was an antagonist and now he doesn't even come close to being who he was when I was in freakin high school.

Rayne Sohmers from Least I could do. The guy faces no real conflict, and everything almost always turns out his way. I would be okay with it if not for the fact that he's a sexist douche-knuckle.

I don't mind Max now, but I do miss him being an oblivious douche. There are few things more frustrating than someone who doesn't know/believe that they're annoying.

And its what made him great to the plot! By just changing him from an oblivious douche to a closeted gay guy it takes away the impact of what he once was.

Cajungal said:

That was my instinct. But I don't know *just* how miserable that experience is. Not zombies, the other one. Although I can imagine. Both.

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Every woman is different. Every pregnancy is different. Yadda yadda. Yes, it can make some women miserable and more emotional. However, I don't recall acting like a complete twat 90% of the time just because I was pregnant. I wouldn't care if a zombie tore Lori to shreds or another survivor killed her - pregnant or not. I dislike her that much.

Now I only read the first ish of Walking dead but I hate the main character for one reason and one reason only...Kirkman cheated. For one, he was in a coma for several months and after he wakes up never has to deal with muscel atrophy EVER! Also, he just HAPPENED to know where a stock-pile of weapons were because he was a cop and happened to still have a key. Realistic zombie story my ass, this series CHEATS.

Yoshimickster said:

And its what made him great to the plot! By just changing him from an oblivious douche to a closeted gay guy it takes away the impact of what he once was.

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Max was never a jerk. The PvP cast -thought- he was a jerk. The joke has always been that he was a nice, successful guy, and Cole and Brent hated him for it out of jealousy.

Ravenpoe said:

Max was never a jerk. The PvP cast -thought- he was a jerk. The joke has always been that he was a nice, successful guy, and Cole and Brent hated him for it out of jealousy.

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Yes, but keep in mind his turning from a some-what obnoxious character to a gay character was indeed a complete character change. I also don't like how since was outed(theoretically) in the pre-beard story-line it changed his personality completely. I mean he's just not as enjoyable as a secondary character as he was an antagonist.

Davis from Digimon season 2. Ignoring how he wasn't even CLOSE to being as cool as Tai, he never truly gave off the commanding leadership aura that a proper protagonist should. He was more a failed apprentice character than anything.

Dave said:

Is he really the hero, though, or just a villain we root for?

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Dexter is as much a hero as Walter White.

Frank said:

Dexter is as much a hero as Walter White.

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Exactly.

"You're... you're just like Woody Woodpecker. WOODY WOODPECKER! He was so darned obnoxious! I wanted to reach into the TV and crush the little red-headed jerk’s skull. I always felt sorry for the walrus... he just wanted to have a barbeque." - Clark Oppenheimer, to The Tick

Frank said:

Dexter is as much a hero as Walter White.

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I'm finishing up season 2, but Walter White's been a straight up villain the entire time. His motivations have always been selfish, he gets off on it. The excuse that always gets brandied about, doing it to have money for his family in the event that he passes, was first brought up by Jesse (in the form of a question) and Walt just run with it, because near as I can tell it's easier for him than facing his real motivations.

Mahatnas Ghandi. Now I know he did a lot for Indian civil rights, but the guy wasn't perfect. His wife died of sickness because Ghandi told her not to take medicine. But when he got the same sickness, he took medicine to get rid of it. That...is pretty damn hypocritical.

The Kid (played by Prince) from Purple Rain and Graffiti Bridge. He's the protagonist but he's just such a self-centered, wrapped up in his own genius douchebag. Kind of like Prince in real life, except The Kid occaisonally learns from his hubris.

Yoshimickster said:

Ferris Bueller from Ferris Bueller's day off. He falsified documents, lied about having a terminal illness, and goaded his actually sick friend into stealing his father's car. I don't what his bull-shit philosophy says, he is nothing more than some bourgeois white kid who will get away with anything and never face consequences. It is impossible for me as an adult to like this movie any more because of this.

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Careful there, Yoshimickster ol' boy... I got told how very wrong I was in the Talk About the Last Movie thread when I expressed my own dislike for the leopard-vest-wearing Mary Stu that is Ferris Bueller

North_Ranger And I will argue them. about it-TILL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!

Johnny Storm could use a slappin
Scarlett Witch could use a slappin
Every single lupus sapien and who ever dreamt up the idea in the first place
Superman could use a slappin
Power Girl could use a slappin

HCGLNS said:

Superman could use a slappin

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He got a pretty good beating the first time he met Darkseid (in the animated series). Plus, at 1:10ish, he's on the receiving end of a pimp backhand.

North_Ranger said:

Careful there, Yoshimickster ol' boy... I got told how very wrong I was in the Talk About the Last Movie thread when I expressed my own dislike for the leopard-vest-wearing Mary Stu that is Ferris Bueller

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I think I sided with NR on this one. Ferris is a straight up sociopath

Dean Rooney was only doing his job. But so was Bueller. I cut class many a time in high school. Usually this girl and I would ditch home ec (after I doctored the attendance scantrons so we didn't get busted) to go get bagels.

Bowielee
He is isn't he? Also he's a cyber-terrorist since he hacked into the school's god-damn main-frame to get out of class! A guy does that shit today you'd get 5-30 years. Not Ferris though, because he is the protagonist and we have to root for him.

Not saying hackers should GET 30 years, but Ferris should've still learned from his damn actions rather than give a bull-shit message about doing whatever you want.

The Green Lantern Corps. Why? Because the entire idea is...policing space. Do you know how infinitesimal and gigantic space is? And the Oan elders actually think they could control sectors of it through basic laws. Also, the Oans in there infinite wisdom usually assign just a few space-cops to one sector. Right, because its not like they have the dumbest weakness ever-YELLOW! Yeah I know they changed it Parrallax energy but it's still silly. And its not like there invulnerable they are still mortal and what-not and green lantern constructs can be taken out with enough force.

Not saying I hate specific Green Lanterns, but the idea just gets silly after a while.

Note: I love the GL's.

That said, I don't tihnk the Lanterns needs a beating...its the Guardians. Holy SHIT don't they need to stop...BEING.

They fuck up every few issues.

LittleSin said:

Note: I love the GL's.

That said, I don't tihnk the Lanterns needs a beating...its the Guardians. Holy SHIT don't they need to stop...BEING.

They fuck up every few issues.

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Damn straight. Fucking lawful neutral jack-asses. They also thought a bunch of androids called the Manhunters were a wise choice for a police force. That would be okay if it were executed later....but this was their first space-police force. Because if anyone is great at upholding good and justice its emotionless machines!

On a similar topic, the Watchers from Marvel universe. "Ooh, we can't interfere because were way too powerful!" Fuck you guys. Uatu is the only one who does a damn thing, and you other guys just...watch. I always hate characters who CAN help people but just don't.

So you hate the Guardians for trying to do something and stay involved, and the Watchers for not being involved. Bravo. This is right after hating Ferris Beuller for not following the rules and the GLC for trying to enforce them.

Covar said:

So you hate the Guardians for trying to do something and stay involved, and the Watchers for not being involved. Bravo. This is right after hating Ferris Beuller for not following the rules and the GLC for trying to enforce them.

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Because the watchers can literally do anything, and the Oans are just a bunch of old people with magic science powers who only care about there own values and only what they think is right. They also chose a bunch of supers to breed and make a master race. That is incredibly morally questionable.

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Lori from The Walking Dead. I would love to see her get eviscerated by a zombie horde.

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Zapp Branigan. Why Kif doesn't just disembowel him on the spot is beyond me. No court in the galaxy would convict him.

I'm fairly certain Leela's kicked the tar out of him multiple times.

Bowielee said:

I'm fairly certain Leela's kicked the tar out of him multiple times.

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It's not enough.

I don't know if Kif could even properly slap around Brannagan. He's basically just a sack of fluid.

Kif is too spineless.

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Kif is too spineless.

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Literally... his people have no bones.

Kirby from the aforementioned series. Creepy soul sucking monster is what he is. I DON'T CARE HOW FUN YOUR GAMES ARE-YOUR EVIL!

E. Gadd from Luigi's Mansion. Now this is one of my favorite games for the Gamecube but there has been something that has always bothered me about E.Gadd. In the game you catch what are known as "painting ghosts" and pressing them into paintings. So...you are forcing these ghosts into staying as paintings for all eternity. That is a fate worse than death...which they WERE in and we robbed them of it. The Boos weren't even close to evil, they were just helping out their fellow ghosts! Fun game, but evil plot.

Just saw an episode of Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends... and remembered why I hated the show. Bloo to me is just so goddamn annoying: selfish, overdramatic, greedy, self-centered little runt who always gets others into trouble or has to be saved by his friends from whatever hare-brained scheme that has landed him in trouble. Goddammit, kid, just forget Towelie's douchy younger cousin and adopt a friend who isn't such an asshole!

I loved Wilt on that show, though.

GasBandit said:

Dean Rooney was only doing his job. But so was Bueller. I cut class many a time in high school. Usually this girl and I would ditch home ec (after I doctored the attendance scantrons so we didn't get busted) to go get bagels.

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DSM-IV-TR Criteria for Antisoial Personality Disorder

Age at least 18
Evidence of conduct disorder before age 15
Pervasive pattern of disregard for the rights of others since the age of 15 as shown by at least three of the following:
1) Repeated law-breaking
2) Decietfulness, lying
3) Impulsivity
4) Irritability and Aggressiveness
5) Reckless disregard for own safety and that of others
6) Irresponsibility as seen in unreliable employment or financial history
7) Lack of Remorse

Ferris falls at the least into the categories I've bolded here. I think the only thing that keeps him from qualifying is not being over 18. His sister asserts that his behavior in the movie is the norm, so you decide, youthful shenannegins or early pattern of a life long mental illness.

North_Ranger said:

Just saw an episode of Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends... and remembered why I hated the show. Bloo to me is just so goddamn annoying: selfish, overdramatic, greedy, self-centered little runt who always gets others into trouble or has to be saved by his friends from whatever hare-brained scheme that has landed him in trouble. Goddammit, kid, just forget Towelie's douchy younger cousin and adopt a friend who isn't such an asshole!

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As much as I love that show, yeah Bloo was way too grating at times. The ending movie gave the impression that he would change though which is all-right I guess.

Bowielee said:

I loved Wilt on that show, though.

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I liked Wilt, too. I also liked Eduardo. And Cheese!! Mostly because it was Mac & Cheese. LOL!

Certain side-kicks at times: Now I love side-kicks. They can compliment a protagonist greatly whether their a superhero or a janitor. But dear ....LORD! If I hear ONE more stupid side-kick complain about how much it sucks not being taken seriously as adult supers. Doesn't this just piss you off? These guys go on adventures that some of us wouldn't come CLOSE to experiencing and when they complain about stupid bull-shit like this it just pisses me off. Its one thing for sidekicks to complain about serious problems like never being a normal kid, or a random dead relative, but when they complain about something as trivial as this you just want to SMACK THEM!

If I were Speedy, I'd still be pissed about always being second banana....

Also that I was named freakin Speedy.

I was pretty put off the way Speedy lost his shit within the first 6 minutes of Young Justice.

Gusto said:

I was pretty put off the way Speedy lost his shit within the first 6 minutes of Young Justice.

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Can't be any worse than what they did to him in Rise of Arsenal... ugh.

Gusto said:

I was pretty put off the way Speedy lost his shit within the first 6 minutes of Young Justice.

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It makes sense in retrospect.

Yeah absolutely. But at the time I was like, "damn son, slow your roll".

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Yeah absolutely. But at the time I was like, "damn son, slow your roll".

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I thought it made sense even at the time. He was an 18 year old being shown to a place at the kiddy table as though it was super special.

Young Justice Roy Harper is a complicated issue indeed. My favorite episode so far was the one where Rocket was introduced and said "What's wrong about being a side-kick? You guys were my inspiration to being one." And their all just speechless for logical reasons. PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER-spective!

Also on the topic of Young Justice I wanna bash Lagoon boy's SKULL in. "Stereotyped as the water guy again!" No shit, what would they expect when you say stuff like "Neptune's beard" and "Angel fish" and "Chum" all the time. You are your own worst enemy sir. When he got kidnapped by Black Manta I was like "Oh noooooo. The guy no-one likes has been kidnapped". I love the show, but this guy taxes me.

1960s Human Torch. I...I just wanted to punch him! So damn obnoxious at times. Its even worse considering he has one of my favorite super powers. This guy I would just want to see JUST slapped around though, while he's obnoxious I know he's a true hero. Still a jack-ass though.

Roy Harper, as a character in general, pretty much always gets the shaft.

In the original universe: Just as un-super-powered as Robin with equivalent training, but still second fiddle to him in the original Teen Titans, IV drug addict, has an illegitimate daughter with a super-villain, has said daughter killed and arm cut off, goes insane and becomes a poor man's Punisher.
New 52:hey you never had a daughter to begin with. (god knows what else they've done to the character, as stated before I refuse to read the New 52)

I feel ya, that is one of my major complaints about the new 52. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaall they had to do was bring back Lian Harper and re-arm him THAT WAS ALL! And they not only take away the bad changes to his story, but also all the great things that gave him great character development.

Reboots: Almost never a good idea.

Wait wait. Are we talking like, hero hero, or can it be any protagonist?
Cause JD is a self-entitled little shit after like, season 2.
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Yoshimickster said:

J.D. from Scrubs. After 6 seasons he stops being silly and just an annoying fuck.

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I should have actually read the thread before posting.

Sall-right, as long as we agree. Jesus H. Morningstar, he has more love interests than Spider-man for crying out loud! And yes I hyphened it good Covar.