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Somewhat of a derail/siderail from the Spidey 4 thread! I don't mean which is the best "superhero movie", but more what is the best movie about superheroes.

Darkman. No, The original Punisher starring Dolph and Lou Gossit Jr.

I'm going with Incredibles. It works the superhero formula perfectly, from the superheroics to the secret identity drama and even the sidekick AND supervillain formula. It's the perfect superhero movie.

Also, Watchmen has no right to be on this list at all.

And as good as the rest are, there are a few that I feel are actually better. At the very least, deserve to be there more than Watchmen:
1) Unbreakable
2) Sky High (good lord, it's a severely underrated movie!)
3) Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
4) Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
5) Hellboy

I picked the list based on the ones JCM claimed were the top three, and the ones I thought would get the most votes.

Batman Mask of the Phantasm is the best Batman movie ever made.

I voted for Incredibles, just an excellent movie in general.

I retracted my Iron Man statement because I was talking about "superhero movie" and not "movie about superheroes", but the more I thought about it, I'm going to re-add it in. Simply due to how well Iron-Man was done, it was the ONLY one I feel really could have fit into "reality" and really made it relevant to our time.

Darkman. Especially the return on investment angle, it was a great film considering the budget provided. Then we found out what Raimi could do with a big budget with the Spidey films.

No Hellboy option.
And no Superman II, Iron Man, Hulk, The MASK, Burton´s Batman, Blade, Sin City (can it be considered one) or Darkman.

But to be honest, the perfect one is

Iron Man and Darkman were great, too. But Iron Man, as fun as it was (I own it and I don't own Dark Knight) didn't have a whole lot underneath it. It was a wham-bam fun action flick, but not much else.

Honestly, JCM, I would consider Superman I & II as one entitiy.

Sin City? It's a GREAT comic book movie (and best adaptation, given they basically cut/paste direct from the comic), but not a superhero movie. It's closer to being a great noir kinda movie.

Out of curiosity, for those that love Hellboy, how did they feel about Hellboy II? I personally loved it, as they were able to cut loose and have some fun once the origin was out of the way.

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Also, man, I haven't seen The Crow since High School. One of these days, I should give it another chance. I think its sequels tainted my original love for it, though.

Iron Man had such a limp finale. It really took the air out of the balloon.

ThatNickGuy said:

Iron Man and Darkman were great, too. But Iron Man, as fun as it was (I own it and I don't own Dark Knight) didn't have a whole lot underneath it. It was a wham-bam fun action flick, but not much else.

Honestly, JCM, I would consider Superman I & II as one entitiy.

Sin City? It's a GREAT comic book movie (and best adaptation, given they basically cut/paste direct from the comic), but not a superhero movie. It's closer to being a great noir kinda movie.

Out of curiosity, for those that love Hellboy, how did they feel about Hellboy II? I personally loved it, as they were able to cut loose and have some fun once the origin was out of the way.

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Also, man, I haven't seen The Crow since High School. One of these days, I should give it another chance. I think its sequels tainted my original love for it, though.

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Well, Hellboy 2 was pretty much fun, and reviewed better at Rotten Tomatoes (87% vs Hellboy´s 80%).

And seeing that the only canon Crow comic which `O Barr created was already adapted into "The Crow", I promptly ignored the rest, which are just shite written by whatever B-movie monkeys they could find.

I think I liked Hellboy II more, but my reasons are...a bit odd.

See, when the first Hellboy was being hyped, I was ALL OVER IT. Seriously, I was buying up Hellboy stuff left, right and centre. Including the Art of the Movie book, which was released before the movie came out. I flipped through a few times and discovered the full script was in there. I tried avoiding reading it, trying to just enjoy the art, but my eyes wandered and was spoiled of most of the movie. So, there were no surprises for me.

The second, though? I went in blind and loved it.

Hrm - coin-flip between Dark Knight and Incredibles for me, with Iron Man coming in a respectable third place. Never watched X2, the Spidey films were blown out of the water when I watched Spectacular, and if you want Watchmen, read the comic. You'll get exactly the same thing, only with more depth and complexity.

Hellboy 2:

"My body is a temple"
"Yeah, well now its an amusment park. Drink up."

Superman 2, hands down. Unfortunately it's not up there, and there's no grue option.

"Son of Jor-el KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!"

I can't decide if I should vote for The Dark Knight or X2 ...

ThatNickGuy said:

Out of curiosity, for those that love Hellboy, how did they feel about Hellboy II? I personally loved it, as they were able to cut loose and have some fun once the origin was out of the way.

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I thought it was freaking rad. Del Toro got a good budget and just went wild. I love the humor in it, too.

Edit: Holy Zarquon, you can see who voted for what in polls now.

Philosopher B. said:

I can't decide if I should vote for The Dark Knight or X2 ...

ThatNickGuy said:

Out of curiosity, for those that love Hellboy, how did they feel about Hellboy II? I personally loved it, as they were able to cut loose and have some fun once the origin was out of the way.

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I thought it was freaking rad. Del Toro got a good budget and just went wild. I love the humor in it, too.

Edit: Holy Zarquon, you can see who voted for what in polls now.

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yeah, the person who puts a poll up originally has to check hidden or not.

I like public polls since no one should be able to hide behind their shitty opinions :smug:

I'm terrible at picking "best" but I think Justice League: The New Frontier is a great superhero movie.


EDIT: Rotten Tomatoes has it listed as Genre: Childrens

I think it's one of those "Oh, it's animated and it has superheroes. To hell with what it's rated" categories.

Personally, I loved New Frontier, but it felt like an abbreviated version of the great book. I understand why they cut things out, but I felt it lost some of the impact by doing so. The animation, though, was almost exactly how Darwyn Cooke would look animated.

Before Iron Man came out, Hellboy was my favorite comic-book movie.

I voted Incredibles, b/c it had everything I could possibly want in a superhero film. It is great!

X2 and Spidey2 are just okay, IMO. Watchmen doesn't translate well, and Reeve's Superman is great, but it is quite dated - Singer's Superman sucked.

ThatNickGuy said:

Personally, I loved New Frontier, but it felt like an abbreviated version of the great book. I understand why they cut things out, but I felt it lost some of the impact by doing so. The animation, though, was almost exactly how Darwyn Cooke would look animated.

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I saw the movie before even knowing it was a comic book, and it didn't feel short or lacking at all to me. Now that I've read the original, I can see what was cut, but it doesn't make me think less of the movie.

What's with everybody and the goddamned Incredibles? Was the film really that great?

Maybe I need to see it again. I only saw it once back when it came out.

Oh, I loved it, like I said. Don't get me wrong, it was great and what they cut was very understandable. BUT, it is abbreviated in comparison to the comic. They cut it extremely well, though, believe me.

why wasn't Iron Man listed up there? Dowdy Jr's performance in that film was awesome.

JCM said:

No Hellboy option.
And no Superman II, Iron Man, Hulk, The MASK, Burton´s Batman, Blade, Sin City (can it be considered one) or Darkman.

But to be honest, the perfect one is

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As far as comic book movies go, the Crow is easily one of my favorites. He's not really much of a superhero though.

Spider-Man 2 was fantastic as far as movies go though Doc Ock not really being a bad guy, only controlled by his arms really bugged me.

Watchmen was bogged down by ridiculous action sequences and some really poor acting. Changes to the comic be damned, I was totally ok with some adaptations.

The Dark Knight was an awesome Joker movie and really, a kind of terrible Batman flick. Christian Bale continues to not really be right for the part at all in my opinion.

X2 continued to suffer from Cyclopsucksballsitis that all the movies had going for them for whatever reason and Halle Barry continued to look completely ridiculous with the white wig. Even so I totally dug 2 over 1 or 3.

Eh, Spider-Man 2 I guess. Hopefully Kirsten Dunst stops being in the movies sometime though. She sucks.

You forgot Incredibles there, Frankie.

While I loved Dark Knight I really didn't see it as a Super Hero movie. Sure it's about a Super Hero, but the film is more of a suspense/action film. It just happens to be a really good one.

On the above list I voted for Spidey 2. I think that it has one of the best super-villain origins to date. I'm not shocked to see The Incredibles winning however, because it's probably the closest thing to a perfect "Super HeroeS (plural)" movie that showcases dozens of different powers.
Iron Man is one of the best Super Hero origin films. Well, either that or the Thomas Jane Punisher film.

Amorous Wench said:

I thought Iron Man was one of the best Superhero movies I've seen. The casting of Robert Downey Jr. was PERFECT. Spot on, and he played it sooo well! HOT!

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This... why isn't it an option anyhow? POLL FAIL!

Shawnacy said:

Well, either that or the Thomas Jane Punisher film.

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God sat out your answer.

Frankie;261447][quote=Shawnacy said:

Well, either that or the Thomas Jane Punisher film.

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God sat out your answer.[/QUOTE]
Apparently he doesn't much like good movies.

Do Transformers count as superheroes?

Frankie;261447][quote=Shawnacy said:

Well, either that or the Thomas Jane Punisher film.

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God sat out your answer.[/QUOTE]

bhamv3 said:

Do Transformers count as superheroes?

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Nah. They count as toy commercials. Zing!

ThatNickGuy;261556][quote=bhamv3 said:

Do Transformers count as superheroes?

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Nah. They count as toy commercials. Zing![/QUOTE]
How do you Zing with that? Kinda figured that was common knowledge. Even the people who made the show would agree.

Shawnacy;261559][quote=ThatNickGuy;261556][quote=bhamv3 said:

Do Transformers count as superheroes?

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Nah. They count as toy commercials. Zing![/QUOTE]
How do you Zing with that? Kinda figured that was common knowledge. Even the people who made the show would agree.[/QUOTE]

TwoBit said:

What's with everybody and the goddamned Incredibles? Was the film really that great?

Maybe I need to see it again. I only saw it once back when it came out.

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Yes.

I love Incredibles because there's so much there to enjoy. You want to just watch an animated family action/comedy? you got it. You're also able to go deeper than that and take a look at and think about the different themes they put in there. It's why Pixar makes such great movies, they make films that work on multiple levels, not just your typical "family" movie (which is most often something parents have to suffer through for their kids).

Hell I think the reason the Incredibles works so well is the same reason Watchmen blew chunks at the theater. Zack Synder managed to strip out all the depth that made the comic great, leaving a hollow empty shell of the story.

Shawnacy;261559][quote=ThatNickGuy;261556][quote=bhamv3 said:

Do Transformers count as superheroes?

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Nah. They count as toy commercials. Zing![/QUOTE]
How do you Zing with that? Kinda figured that was common knowledge. Even the people who made the show would agree.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well...

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So's your face!

Oh, I'm on fire. What's up! *holds his arm up high for a high five*

ThatNickGuy said:

Yeah, well...

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So's your face!

Oh, I'm on fire. What's up! *holds his arm up high for a high five*

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No. :humph:

Covar said:

Hell I think the reason the Incredibles works so well is the same reason Watchmen blew chunks at the theater. Zack Synder managed to strip out all the depth that made the comic great, leaving a hollow empty shell of the story.

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^This. When I saw the trailer, I thought "Well, it LOOKS cool". But Watchmen is sure as hell a lot more than looking cool.

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Shegokigo said:

No. :humph:

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Aw, please? I'll be your best friend! That's a threat!

ThatNickGuy said:

Shegokigo said:

No. :humph:

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Aw, please? I'll be your best friend! That's a threat!

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I'd pay a bodybuilder, just to walk around following you, lifting you over his head every few minutes if I thought even for a minute you were serious.

I want to say Dark Knight but when I get bored and just want some background noise while working I find myself turning to Iron Man. I love that movie.

Hellboy 2 was a nightmare for the common Hellboy fan. Nightmare. I like to pretend it doesn't exist. At least it looked pretty.

Bellygrub said:

Hellboy 2 was a nightmare for the common Hellboy fan. Nightmare. I like to pretend it doesn't exist. At least it looked pretty.

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You are going to HAVE to explain your thoughts on that, cause it was pretty damn "Hellboy".

Yeah, I'm one of those common Hellboy fans and I effing loved it.

Also, Sheg? That is SO not fair!

Shegokigo;261594][quote=Bellygrub said:

Hellboy 2 was a nightmare for the common Hellboy fan. Nightmare. I like to pretend it doesn't exist. At least it looked pretty.

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You are going to HAVE to explain your thoughts on that, cause it was pretty damn "Hellboy".[/QUOTE]
I don't recall Abe ever going love-sick to the point of being completely illogical in the comics. Plus they quit the department. So now what? The Zany Adventures of Free-Lance Hellboy?

What do you think the Hellboy comics have been for the last 5+ years? He hasn't worked for the BPRD since the end of Conqueror Worm.

Also, Abe's kind of a romantic. He is a little bit in the BPRD comic, so it's not that much of a stretch. What? Fish dudes ain't allowed to get some?

ThatNickGuy said:

What do you think the Hellboy comics have been for the last 5+ years? He hasn't worked for the BPRD since the end of Conqueror Worm.

Also, Abe's kind of a romantic. He is a little bit in the BPRD comic, so it's not that much of a stretch. What? Fish dudes ain't allowed to get some?

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The going free-lance I'll have to give you as I've been out of touch with the comics for a while, but I still like to think of Abe as more level headed than how they portrayed him in the film. Felt like a completely different character from the first film (Doug Jones using his own voice not withstanding).

I also didn't like the sudden hatred of the Manning character. The first film gave Manning and Hellboy some common ground at the end. Both were starting to get along. Then in the 2nd film they hate each other.

Then there is what they did to Myers in the second film. Broom hand selected Myers because he saw innocence in him. And Hellboy showed his beloved Broom his appreciation by having Myers transferred to the Antarctic.

ThatNickGuy said:

Yeah, I'm one of those common Hellboy fans and I effing loved it.

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Alright maybe "common" was the wrong term to use. I was refereing to those of us who travel in Hellboy circles. The "uber" fans I suppose.

I'll try to stay simple and sweet with this one. We've been over it a billion times on the Hellboy forums and it's a dead horse for me mostly

First was the pacing. It was way off. The movie was just flying through characters and scenes. It really could have benefited from another half hour or so. The movie could have been so much better if we could have cut the "big surprise" crap and focused a bit more on developing Johann or not rushing the first 45 mins of the movie.
Hellboy and Liz's relationship. I didn't like it in the first film but it wasn't over the top so it could be tolerated. In the comics they're more of a brother/sister/best friend type of deal. Hellboy has a love interest. Anastasia Bransfield. Toss her in if you MUST follow the love cliche.

The entire theme of the second film was love.Problem I had with all the love in this movie is that to me it felt extremely forced. Every time something happened that did not involve someone being in love you could bet that the next scene was going to have some sort of love interest fueled drama in it.

Oh look...Hellboy is in love. Now quick! Let's make Abe fall in love. Wait that's not enough! Let's have Abe's love interest's brother make creepy incestuous gestures at her. BUT WAIT!!! Johann! He needs to talk about love too! Hell let's put Manning in the shadows watching Hellboy and Liz so you know he's thinking about love! I'm also pretty sure Wink was watching the Prince from the shadows and touching himself...in the name of love!

Love for all!
Characterization. Could we get any farther away from the source material? In BPRD Abe is a gun toting bad ass who often leads special teams in the field. Sure he's got a bit of a tortured past but who doesn't? In the film he's an overly effeminate fish man who loves leather straps and can read people's minds. (He also happens to be my favorite character so I take his changes a bit more to heart. Again I didn't mind it so much in the first film. The second all the amps got turned up to 11.)

Johann- they did a great job coming up with his suit. That's about all they took from the actual character. Then once he was introduced it was like he had been there for twenty years. I would have liked to at least seen him struggle to fit in a bit or have some "hey I'm the new guy dialogue".

Liz is pretty hard to nail down. She's always a mess. In the novels she's a strong self assured woman who's haunted a bit by her past. In the comics she's an emotional wreck who's literally being haunted. So I can't fault her at all.

Manning: from headstrong jackass to complete inept bumbling idiot. A 180 from the end of the last film as Shawnancy pointed out.

Also- Hellbabies.

Mignola has stated that this was GDT's Hellboy film. This is GDT's Hellboy world and it's completely separate from the world which has been established in the comics and novels. I agree with him.

Also the reason everyone quit the BPRD? There was talk of a BPRD TV series being picked up and they wouldn't have been able to use the heavy hitters regularly so they removed them. Now this isn't confirmed but when I asked GDT about this he simple smiled and waggled his finger at me with a "clever boy" look on his face.

The only thing "Hellboy" about this movie was the looks and names of the characters and the fact that they were up against mythical creatures.

Eh, Meyers was the least liked part of the first movie and Del Toro was aware of that. Besides, the character was basically just there to introduce an unfamiliar audience with the crazy world.

I think the Abe thing is kind of hard to agree on, because I can see your point. I liked Abe in this one more, maybe just because he wasn't wearing the giant water-breathing apparatus for most of it.

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I'm honestly in the realm of being an uber fan, but because the comics and novels, as you pointed out, are pretty different from each other, I was able to go into the movies with the idea that "This is an interpretation of a mythos, not an exact copy of a story or character". It's pretty much how I feel about all comic book movies that aren't trying to do line-for-line cut and paste jobs like Watchmen.

Personally, I actually like the novels more than any other medium for Hellboy. I enjoyed the comics more when it was just a Mignola-only show. Not that BPRD or Hellboy solo stories aren't great, but I guess part of me kind of wishes that one BPRD mini would end with Hellboy walking in on them, a six-pack under his arm and saying "Hey".

Bellygrub said:

Rant.

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Its Hellboy. A fun comic, where a devil works for the government, jumps out of million-dollar planes with a billion-dollar jetpack that never works, and ends up beating the hell out everything.

Even between the comics, and novels there are countless differences, so I just took it and enjoyed it what Mike Mignola said it was all about (check the DVD documentary) "A guy who speaks like a plumber, looks like the devil, and goes after the supernatural".

Look at Batman, yeah I hated Begin´s destruction of the best Batman story (the Rha´s al Ghul storyline) which defined Batman as the moral compass of DC, and made him some weak dumbass, and Batman, a brute (whatever happened to Batman letting go of the power to stop crime all over the world, a woman he loved AND immortality, to do the right thing?). Look at Superman, Xmen, and every other movie, these changes happen.

I also loved the 2 animated movies, so maybe thats why I enjoyed the live action ones.

You said it yourself, the creator said "This isn't the Hellboy you know, we're taking the basic premise of the characters and creating a new world/style"

While you didn't like the direction it took, it is most definitely "Hellboy".

For me it didn't matter so much when the changes were made to Bat's or Superman. These characters have been around forever and have had their stories changed countless times within comic themselves. The only thing that ever stays consistent is the basic origin so I guess I'm more forgiving/used to these changes.

The first Hellboy movie made changes with the BPRD universe, altered the characters and went in it's own direction while pulling inspiration from the comics. I LOVED the first film. It was awesome.

I compare the second movie to X-3. It didn't fit within the world the first film had established and then completely ignored the source material it had originally pulled from. All of the characters personalities went over the top above even what was set in the first film.

I also love the two animated films.

Have to disagree with you there. Hellboy 2 was at least competently made. X-3 doesn't even work as a movie.

Covar said:

Have to disagree with you there. Hellboy 2 was at least competently made. X-3 doesn't even work as a movie.

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Well that's true.

Unbreakable

Hard to say for me.

I love the spiderman movies. The first one really set a new standard for what a superhero movie can be about and had a great balance of in and out of costume drama. Spiderman 2 did the same, but had beautiful fight scenes which I love watching.

Iron man is probably better than either of the two great spiderman movies, simply because the casting and acting was taken to a whole new level while keeping the same enjoyment of the spiderman films. The new hulk movie is up there too.

The Increadables is fantastic as well. It's probably the best movie ABOUT superheroes that comes to mind. Watchmen was...alright. It did some things well but got some other things wrong.

The Dark Knight is great, but I don't think I can give it the nod for best just because I don't really find myself careing about it that much until later in the film. However, once I reach that point where I start careing about it, I find myself completely invested in it. When The Joker threatens Gotham with bombs and there's the city wide panic, I really feel for the people and almost get a little worked up myself.

I think overall, I'd say Iron Man is the best Superhero movie and appeals to me the most. It does a lot right, and is able to take an exsisting hero and give a valid and interesting interpritation of the character.

Thought another severely underrated superhero movie that's, at the very least, in my personal Top 10:

Mystery Men

ThatNickGuy said:

Thought another severely underrated superhero movie that's, at the very least, in my personal Top 10:

Mystery Men

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That is one of my all time favorite movies. Then again, I'm such a Janeane Garofalo fanboy, it's not even funny.

Bowielee;262059][quote=ThatNickGuy said:

Thought another severely underrated superhero movie that's, at the very least, in my personal Top 10:

Mystery Men

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I agree.

Fuck the option above, heroes dont get any bigger than this-

Shegokigo said:

You said it yourself, the creator said "This isn't the Hellboy you know, we're taking the basic premise of the characters and creating a new world/style"

While you didn't like the direction it took, it is most definitely "Hellboy".

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Pretty much this.

Its much less farther from the original comics than Superman, and any of the Batman movies.

The first Batman movie or Iron Man.

Keaton is still the best overall Batman to me, nobody else plays both Wayne and Batman as well as he did. Nicholson was a good 60's throwback Joker, though I still prefer Ledger's.

Iron Man nailed the character. The confidence, the snarkiness, all of it. All that's missing now is the alcoholism. I do agree the ending fizzled, but I'm hopeful for 2 to make up for it with a less powerhouse villain.

@Li3n;261423][quote=Amorous Wench said:

I thought Iron Man was one of the best Superhero movies I've seen. The casting of Robert Downey Jr. was PERFECT. Spot on, and he played it sooo well! HOT!

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This... why isn't it an option anyhow? POLL FAIL![/QUOTE]

It was there originally. Until MiniLove made it an unanswer.

aranoid:

You know, I voted Dark Knight which I think gave Spidey 2 a kick in the face (even though they are almost neck and neck in my book) but the more I think about it... yeah, the Incredibles is really the perfect Superhero movie. Not one misstep.

I really don't think the Incredibles should be included, honestly. It doesn't have the constraint of being shackled by source material, which gives it an unfair advantage, IMO.

Bowielee said:

I really don't think the Incredibles should be included, honestly. It doesn't have the constraint of being shackled by source material, which gives it an unfair advantage, IMO.

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Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters. Sure, it's easy to earn the fanboys' money, but the end product isn't always something to be proud of.

bhamv3 said:

Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters.

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If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...

@Li3n;262911][quote=bhamv3 said:

Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters.

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If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]

Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.

Iaculus;263540][quote=@Li3n;262911][quote=bhamv3 said:

Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters.

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If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]

Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.[/QUOTE]

Take, for example, Xmen the serie... I mean Heroes

Bowielee;263609][quote=Iaculus;263540][quote=@Li3n;262911][quote=bhamv3 said:

Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters.

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If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]

Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.[/QUOTE]

Take, for example, Xmen the serie... I mean Heroes [/QUOTE]
I think you actually mean Mutant X

Bowielee;263609][quote=Iaculus;263540][quote=@Li3n;262911][quote=bhamv3 said:

Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters.

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If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]

Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.[/QUOTE]

Take, for example, Xmen the serie... I mean Heroes [/QUOTE]

Or Astro City, if you want a good example.

Gruebeard;263611][quote=Bowielee;263609][quote=Iaculus;263540][quote=@Li3n;262911][quote=bhamv3 said:

Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters.

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If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]

Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.[/QUOTE]

Take, for example, Xmen the serie... I mean Heroes [/QUOTE]
I think you actually mean Mutant X [/QUOTE]

I give that one a pass because it was created by Stan Lee.

I did not know that.

Whoops, I was wrong, it was created by Marvel studios. It was 20th century fox that tried to sue them because they held the rights to the Xmen for movies.

Oops. Missed this thread. I also must vote The Crow if we're talking movie-good.

As far as the Hellboy discussion goes, it ought to please you uberfans enough that Mignola loves del Toro's vision, even if he does see it as separate. Don't forget, he's a credited writer on both movies (in fact, in II, only he and del Toro are credited!), so he must've had some input on the changes you guys don't like.

Of the list you have The Incredibles. Of Superhero movies in general Hancock, walking away, no one else in sight even with telescopic xray vision.

Dusty668 said:

Of the list you have The Incredibles. Of Superhero movies in general Hancock, walking away, no one else in sight even with telescopic xray vision.

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You are the only person I've seen/heard of liking Hancock that much, by a long shot.

I'm a sucker for a good story, and it had a good story. Most other movies I have watched are just about super people being/becoming super. While those can be good stories as well, a lot of times they go for using CGI instead of the story basics.

I like Ironman more and more every time i see it. I would like to recast my vote from TDK to Ironman.

If I'm thinking in terms of which movie I'd pop into the DVD player right now and watch, given the chance, it'd be The Incredibles by a long shot.

As for what was the most interesting take on a superhero movie? Probably either Batman (1989) (an underrated movie) or The Dark Knight.

Superman was groundbreaking for its time, but hasn't aged well. The whole series, really. The first two films were pretty close in terms of quality, but each did so many inexplicably dumb things that it degrades the experience.