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What is the best Superhero Movie?
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How do you Zing with that? Kinda figured that was common knowledge. Even the people who made the show would agree.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
I love Incredibles because there's so much there to enjoy. You want to just watch an animated family action/comedy? you got it. You're also able to go deeper than that and take a look at and think about the different themes they put in there. It's why Pixar makes such great movies, they make films that work on multiple levels, not just your typical "family" movie (which is most often something parents have to suffer through for their kids).
Hell I think the reason the Incredibles works so well is the same reason Watchmen blew chunks at the theater. Zack Synder managed to strip out all the depth that made the comic great, leaving a hollow empty shell of the story.
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ThatNickGuy
Nah. They count as toy commercials. Zing![/QUOTE]
How do you Zing with that? Kinda figured that was common knowledge. Even the people who made the show would agree.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, well...
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So's your face!
Oh, I'm on fire. What's up! *holds his arm up high for a high five*
No. :humph:
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ThatNickGuy
^This. When I saw the trailer, I thought "Well, it LOOKS cool". But Watchmen is sure as hell a lot more than looking cool.
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Aw, please? I'll be your best friend! That's a threat!
I'd pay a bodybuilder, just to walk around following you, lifting you over his head every few minutes if I thought even for a minute you were serious.Aw, please? I'll be your best friend! That's a threat!
You are going to HAVE to explain your thoughts on that, cause it was pretty damn "Hellboy".
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ThatNickGuy
Yeah, I'm one of those common Hellboy fans and I effing loved it.
Also, Sheg? That is SO not fair!
Also, Sheg? That is SO not fair!
You are going to HAVE to explain your thoughts on that, cause it was pretty damn "Hellboy".[/QUOTE]
I don't recall Abe ever going love-sick to the point of being completely illogical in the comics. Plus they quit the department. So now what? The Zany Adventures of Free-Lance Hellboy?
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ThatNickGuy
What do you think the Hellboy comics have been for the last 5+ years? He hasn't worked for the BPRD since the end of Conqueror Worm.
Also, Abe's kind of a romantic. He is a little bit in the BPRD comic, so it's not that much of a stretch. What? Fish dudes ain't allowed to get some?
Also, Abe's kind of a romantic. He is a little bit in the BPRD comic, so it's not that much of a stretch. What? Fish dudes ain't allowed to get some?
The going free-lance I'll have to give you as I've been out of touch with the comics for a while, but I still like to think of Abe as more level headed than how they portrayed him in the film. Felt like a completely different character from the first film (Doug Jones using his own voice not withstanding).
I also didn't like the sudden hatred of the Manning character. The first film gave Manning and Hellboy some common ground at the end. Both were starting to get along. Then in the 2nd film they hate each other.
Then there is what they did to Myers in the second film. Broom hand selected Myers because he saw innocence in him. And Hellboy showed his beloved Broom his appreciation by having Myers transferred to the Antarctic.
Alright maybe "common" was the wrong term to use. I was refereing to those of us who travel in Hellboy circles. The "uber" fans I suppose.
I'll try to stay simple and sweet with this one. We've been over it a billion times on the Hellboy forums and it's a dead horse for me mostly
First was the pacing. It was way off. The movie was just flying through characters and scenes. It really could have benefited from another half hour or so. The movie could have been so much better if we could have cut the "big surprise" crap and focused a bit more on developing Johann or not rushing the first 45 mins of the movie.
Hellboy and Liz's relationship. I didn't like it in the first film but it wasn't over the top so it could be tolerated. In the comics they're more of a brother/sister/best friend type of deal. Hellboy has a love interest. Anastasia Bransfield. Toss her in if you MUST follow the love cliche.
The entire theme of the second film was love.Problem I had with all the love in this movie is that to me it felt extremely forced. Every time something happened that did not involve someone being in love you could bet that the next scene was going to have some sort of love interest fueled drama in it.
Oh look...Hellboy is in love. Now quick! Let's make Abe fall in love. Wait that's not enough! Let's have Abe's love interest's brother make creepy incestuous gestures at her. BUT WAIT!!! Johann! He needs to talk about love too! Hell let's put Manning in the shadows watching Hellboy and Liz so you know he's thinking about love! I'm also pretty sure Wink was watching the Prince from the shadows and touching himself...in the name of love!
Love for all!
Characterization. Could we get any farther away from the source material? In BPRD Abe is a gun toting bad ass who often leads special teams in the field. Sure he's got a bit of a tortured past but who doesn't? In the film he's an overly effeminate fish man who loves leather straps and can read people's minds. (He also happens to be my favorite character so I take his changes a bit more to heart. Again I didn't mind it so much in the first film. The second all the amps got turned up to 11.)
Johann- they did a great job coming up with his suit. That's about all they took from the actual character. Then once he was introduced it was like he had been there for twenty years. I would have liked to at least seen him struggle to fit in a bit or have some "hey I'm the new guy dialogue".
Liz is pretty hard to nail down. She's always a mess. In the novels she's a strong self assured woman who's haunted a bit by her past. In the comics she's an emotional wreck who's literally being haunted. So I can't fault her at all.
Manning: from headstrong jackass to complete inept bumbling idiot. A 180 from the end of the last film as Shawnancy pointed out.
Also- Hellbabies.
Mignola has stated that this was GDT's Hellboy film. This is GDT's Hellboy world and it's completely separate from the world which has been established in the comics and novels. I agree with him.
Also the reason everyone quit the BPRD? There was talk of a BPRD TV series being picked up and they wouldn't have been able to use the heavy hitters regularly so they removed them. Now this isn't confirmed but when I asked GDT about this he simple smiled and waggled his finger at me with a "clever boy" look on his face.
The only thing "Hellboy" about this movie was the looks and names of the characters and the fact that they were up against mythical creatures.
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Eh, Meyers was the least liked part of the first movie and Del Toro was aware of that. Besides, the character was basically just there to introduce an unfamiliar audience with the crazy world.
I think the Abe thing is kind of hard to agree on, because I can see your point. I liked Abe in this one more, maybe just because he wasn't wearing the giant water-breathing apparatus for most of it.
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I'm honestly in the realm of being an uber fan, but because the comics and novels, as you pointed out, are pretty different from each other, I was able to go into the movies with the idea that "This is an interpretation of a mythos, not an exact copy of a story or character". It's pretty much how I feel about all comic book movies that aren't trying to do line-for-line cut and paste jobs like Watchmen.
Personally, I actually like the novels more than any other medium for Hellboy. I enjoyed the comics more when it was just a Mignola-only show. Not that BPRD or Hellboy solo stories aren't great, but I guess part of me kind of wishes that one BPRD mini would end with Hellboy walking in on them, a six-pack under his arm and saying "Hey".
I think the Abe thing is kind of hard to agree on, because I can see your point. I liked Abe in this one more, maybe just because he wasn't wearing the giant water-breathing apparatus for most of it.
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I'm honestly in the realm of being an uber fan, but because the comics and novels, as you pointed out, are pretty different from each other, I was able to go into the movies with the idea that "This is an interpretation of a mythos, not an exact copy of a story or character". It's pretty much how I feel about all comic book movies that aren't trying to do line-for-line cut and paste jobs like Watchmen.
Personally, I actually like the novels more than any other medium for Hellboy. I enjoyed the comics more when it was just a Mignola-only show. Not that BPRD or Hellboy solo stories aren't great, but I guess part of me kind of wishes that one BPRD mini would end with Hellboy walking in on them, a six-pack under his arm and saying "Hey".
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JCM
Its Hellboy. A fun comic, where a devil works for the government, jumps out of million-dollar planes with a billion-dollar jetpack that never works, and ends up beating the hell out everything.
Even between the comics, and novels there are countless differences, so I just took it and enjoyed it what Mike Mignola said it was all about (check the DVD documentary) "A guy who speaks like a plumber, looks like the devil, and goes after the supernatural".
Look at Batman, yeah I hated Begin´s destruction of the best Batman story (the Rha´s al Ghul storyline) which defined Batman as the moral compass of DC, and made him some weak dumbass, and Batman, a brute (whatever happened to Batman letting go of the power to stop crime all over the world, a woman he loved AND immortality, to do the right thing?). Look at Superman, Xmen, and every other movie, these changes happen.
I also loved the 2 animated movies, so maybe thats why I enjoyed the live action ones.
For me it didn't matter so much when the changes were made to Bat's or Superman. These characters have been around forever and have had their stories changed countless times within comic themselves. The only thing that ever stays consistent is the basic origin so I guess I'm more forgiving/used to these changes.
The first Hellboy movie made changes with the BPRD universe, altered the characters and went in it's own direction while pulling inspiration from the comics. I LOVED the first film. It was awesome.
I compare the second movie to X-3. It didn't fit within the world the first film had established and then completely ignored the source material it had originally pulled from. All of the characters personalities went over the top above even what was set in the first film.
I also love the two animated films.
The first Hellboy movie made changes with the BPRD universe, altered the characters and went in it's own direction while pulling inspiration from the comics. I LOVED the first film. It was awesome.
I compare the second movie to X-3. It didn't fit within the world the first film had established and then completely ignored the source material it had originally pulled from. All of the characters personalities went over the top above even what was set in the first film.
I also love the two animated films.
Well that's true.
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Hard to say for me.
I love the spiderman movies. The first one really set a new standard for what a superhero movie can be about and had a great balance of in and out of costume drama. Spiderman 2 did the same, but had beautiful fight scenes which I love watching.
Iron man is probably better than either of the two great spiderman movies, simply because the casting and acting was taken to a whole new level while keeping the same enjoyment of the spiderman films. The new hulk movie is up there too.
The Increadables is fantastic as well. It's probably the best movie ABOUT superheroes that comes to mind. Watchmen was...alright. It did some things well but got some other things wrong.
The Dark Knight is great, but I don't think I can give it the nod for best just because I don't really find myself careing about it that much until later in the film. However, once I reach that point where I start careing about it, I find myself completely invested in it. When The Joker threatens Gotham with bombs and there's the city wide panic, I really feel for the people and almost get a little worked up myself.
I think overall, I'd say Iron Man is the best Superhero movie and appeals to me the most. It does a lot right, and is able to take an exsisting hero and give a valid and interesting interpritation of the character.
I love the spiderman movies. The first one really set a new standard for what a superhero movie can be about and had a great balance of in and out of costume drama. Spiderman 2 did the same, but had beautiful fight scenes which I love watching.
Iron man is probably better than either of the two great spiderman movies, simply because the casting and acting was taken to a whole new level while keeping the same enjoyment of the spiderman films. The new hulk movie is up there too.
The Increadables is fantastic as well. It's probably the best movie ABOUT superheroes that comes to mind. Watchmen was...alright. It did some things well but got some other things wrong.
The Dark Knight is great, but I don't think I can give it the nod for best just because I don't really find myself careing about it that much until later in the film. However, once I reach that point where I start careing about it, I find myself completely invested in it. When The Joker threatens Gotham with bombs and there's the city wide panic, I really feel for the people and almost get a little worked up myself.
I think overall, I'd say Iron Man is the best Superhero movie and appeals to me the most. It does a lot right, and is able to take an exsisting hero and give a valid and interesting interpritation of the character.
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Thought another severely underrated superhero movie that's, at the very least, in my personal Top 10:
Mystery Men
Mystery Men
That is one of my all time favorite movies. Then again, I'm such a Janeane Garofalo fanboy, it's not even funny.
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I agree.
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JCM
Fuck the option above, heroes dont get any bigger than this-
Its much less farther from the original comics than Superman, and any of the Batman movies.
Pretty much this.
Its much less farther from the original comics than Superman, and any of the Batman movies.
The first Batman movie or Iron Man.
Keaton is still the best overall Batman to me, nobody else plays both Wayne and Batman as well as he did. Nicholson was a good 60's throwback Joker, though I still prefer Ledger's.
Iron Man nailed the character. The confidence, the snarkiness, all of it. All that's missing now is the alcoholism. I do agree the ending fizzled, but I'm hopeful for 2 to make up for it with a less powerhouse villain.
Keaton is still the best overall Batman to me, nobody else plays both Wayne and Batman as well as he did. Nicholson was a good 60's throwback Joker, though I still prefer Ledger's.
Iron Man nailed the character. The confidence, the snarkiness, all of it. All that's missing now is the alcoholism. I do agree the ending fizzled, but I'm hopeful for 2 to make up for it with a less powerhouse villain.
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Iaculus
This... why isn't it an option anyhow? POLL FAIL![/QUOTE]
It was there originally. Until MiniLove made it an unanswer.
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Then I think movie studios should learn from this example and make more superhero movies that aren't based on existing characters. Sure, it's easy to earn the fanboys' money, but the end product isn't always something to be proud of.
If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...
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If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]
Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.
If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]
Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.[/QUOTE]
Take, for example, Xmen the serie... I mean Heroes
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Kitty Sinatra
If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]
Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.[/QUOTE]
Take, for example, Xmen the serie... I mean Heroes
[/QUOTE]I think you actually mean Mutant X
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Iaculus
If they did it in a non parodic manner they might get sued... and it still might suck...[/QUOTE]
Sued? I doubt it. There are plenty of superhero series out there, and many involve original characters rather than just the Marvel/DC giants. It's a pretty broad genre - all you need's a little imagination.[/QUOTE]
Take, for example, Xmen the serie... I mean Heroes
[/QUOTE]Or Astro City, if you want a good example.
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