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Ben Quayle says it's Obama.

Yes, the son of Dan Quayle. According to his new ad, Obama is the worst ever and he wants to be elected to Congress so he can "'knock the hell' out of Washington." What state, you might ask? Arizona of course.

So, is he right about Obama? Is it fair to call Obama the worst just 18 months into his first term?

As the son of one of the worst VPs of all time, does he have a right to start throwing around accusations like that? Have political hysterics reached a new low, or a new high, in this country?

Is high school history so poorly taught that no one remembers James Buchanan?

I'll put more stock in this grouping than the biased son of Dan Quayle[/url].

Call me old fashioned.

I honestly don't think he's done enough to rank him yet. He's still got half his term in office and potentially a second (The Republicans are going to need a MUCH stronger candidate than Palin if they want to beat him). Let's see if he REALLY fucks up before we start ranking him.

Besides, he's still better than Taft.

It's stupid political bullshit chat-hackery, really. He gives no compelling argument to support his claims, and suffers from "Well I just say so" syndrome. The guy is about as reliable as a neutral position as the Westboro church.

William Henry Harrison has got to be the worst. Fucking asshole.

Very nice!

The Lovely Boner said:

William Henry Harrison has got to be the worst. Fucking asshole.

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No no no, it has to be Andrew Johnson. The guy practically setup Jim Crow after Lincoln's death.

People always forget about Warren G. Harding.

Dan Quayle's son...

LOL. it'll always crack me up that if you utterly fuck up in a civilization game, your ranking will be: Dan Quayle.

Relevant? not really.

Jimmy Carter.

People were calling President Obama the worse president in history before his butt cheeks warmed his chair in the oval office. Ben Quayle just wants to jump on the sensationalist bandwagon.

Baerdog said:

People always forget about Warren G. Harding.

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How could anyone forget a return to normalcy?

Has anyone forgotten George W. Bush?

Obama goes at least to the middle of the pack in my book for following that idiot.

I don't believe Bush was the worst, but he was pretty bad.

My favorite president is Calvin Coolidge, though.

Gusto said:

*snip Head Nixon

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I don't think Nixon was the worst...


Just the most evil.

Warren Harding was likely the worst, as he ran a campaign based on nothing but popularity. Heck, his campaign slogan contained a word that wasn't actually a word. When in office, he did nothing productive and died prior to full term. His biggest claim to fame in the presidency was pushing a bill that deported illegal immigrants and being involved in a rampant bribery scandal.

Bush the younger is likely a close second or third worst, though.

Fortunately, several of the countries better presidents have also served in the last 30 years, including Reagan, Bush the elder and Clinton.

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This isn't about the "Best" president Gusto.

Rob King said:

I don't believe Bush was the worst, but he was pretty bad.

My favorite president is Calvin Coolidge, though.

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You know, in High School I did a report about him for U.S. History. I was surprised by how interesting he was, and how he was lucky to not run for a second term and avoided getting saddled with the Great Depression!

Piotyr said:

several of the countries better presidents... including Reagan,.

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*snort*

I think Reagan gets way way more credit than he is due just because he looks like a friendly old man.

I also think that because most people lived pretty comfortably in the 80's they tend to overlook the not so great things about his presidency.

Well Reagan probably wouldn't have been as widely regarded as highly as he is if he didn't have Carter preceding him.

Covar said:

Jimmy Carter.

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Nope.

Krisken;426776][QUOTE=Rob King said:

I don't believe Bush was the worst, but he was pretty bad.

My favorite president is Calvin Coolidge, though.

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You know, in High School I did a report about him for U.S. History. I was surprised by how interesting he was, and how he was lucky to not run for a second term and avoided getting saddled with the Great Depression![/QUOTE]

I like him because he's an interesting character, he didn't really fuck anything up, and because Americans think I know a lot about American history when I make reference to a president that they don't know much about

Covar said:

Well Reagan probably wouldn't have been as widely regarded as highly as he is if he didn't have Carter preceding him.

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Carter's presidency ran into a recession era; it didn't cause it. You can thank Mr. Nixon's and Mr. Ford's dumbass administrations for that. Regan should have thanked a lot of what his presidency was credited for to Carter's administration who got the wheels rolling out of the recession. Actually, it looks like history does repeat itself. Regan-nomics led into a recession in the early 90's as well. When big Bill got into office things magically fixed themselves economically. Funny how another recession hit a year after W took office, and followed him on his way out in 2008. It seems a consistent pattern that hard republican economics usher in recessions and the democrats seem to bail things out.

I will agree that Carter flubbed the Iran hostage situation big time. There are things that should be negotiated on and there are other things that you have to nut up and shut up.

Reagan gets a lot of credit because of how poorly the country was handled under Carter. He escalated the Cold War (Star Wars) during the first half of his presidency and had it practically completely dissolved due to talks with Gorbachev by the end. He was the textbook definition of a popular figurehead, and he did as much with it as could be expected, using his popularity and affable personality to defuse tense situations with the USSR and Eastern Europe. Inflation and unemployment dropped considerably during his term, which he tends to get a lot of credit for with his Reaganomics (a big Republican economics push), and despite being likely overrated for it by many Republicans, it still attributed somewhat to the economy's growth during that period.

People who think that Reagan was a bad president need to take a closer look at the black hole that was the Presidency between, say, Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt, with the exception of Lincoln in the middle there (and probably Polk too). Reagan was amazing compared to those nitwits.

Piotyr said:

People who think that Reagan was a bad president need to take a closer look at the black hole that was the Presidency between, say, Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt, with the exception of Lincoln in the middle there (and probably Polk too). Reagan was amazing compared to those nitwits.

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They weren't bad, they just weren't imperial presidents. The office was completely different before Roosevelt. Some could argue that Roosevelt marks the beginnning of too much power for the executive branch, whereas most of his predecessors believed they were upholding the Founding Father's vision of what a president should be.

Also, no way in hell is Bush Sr. one of the best presidents. He's firmly in the middle.

Talking about best and worst presidents always amazes me with how little some people know about their own country's history (present company excluded, I'm talking about the general public).

Piotyr said:

Reagan gets a lot of credit because of how poorly the country was handled under Carter. He escalated the Cold War (Star Wars) during the first half of his presidency and had it practically completely dissolved due to talks with Gorbachev by the end. He was the textbook definition of a popular figurehead, and he did as much with it as could be expected, using his popularity and affable personality to defuse tense situations with the USSR and Eastern Europe. Inflation and unemployment dropped considerably during his term, which he tends to get a lot of credit for with his Reaganomics (a big Republican economics push), and despite being likely overrated for it by many Republicans, it still attributed somewhat to the economy's growth during that period.

People who think that Reagan was a bad president need to take a closer look at the black hole that was the Presidency between, say, Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt, with the exception of Lincoln in the middle there (and probably Polk too). Reagan was amazing compared to those nitwits.

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While I don't think that Reagan was a horrible president at all, I would agree that he is completely overrated (as you put it)

Troll said:

Also, no way in hell is Bush Sr. one of the best presidents. He's firmly in the middle.

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I guess it depends on how much credit you give him for foreign policy advancement in the Eastern Bloc nations, the destruction of the Berlin Wall, and also how well liked the Desert Storm campaign was in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

That's not to say Clinton wasn't better, of course, but a lot of good things happened during HW Bush's tenure.

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Piotyr said:

People who think that Reagan was a bad president need to take a closer look at the black hole that was the Presidency between, say, Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt, with the exception of Lincoln in the middle there (and probably Polk too). Reagan was amazing compared to those nitwits.

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They weren't bad, they just weren't imperial presidents. The office was completely different before Roosevelt. Some could argue that Roosevelt marks the beginnning of too much power for the executive branch, whereas most of his predecessors believed they were upholding the Founding Father's vision of what a president should be.

Also, no way in hell is Bush Sr. one of the best presidents. He's firmly in the middle.

Talking about best and worst presidents always amazes me with how little some people know about their own country's history (present company excluded, I'm talking about the general public).

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Bush Sr was a mediocre president and was lucky that the Gulf War didn't flub enough to be dubbed by the media and general populace as Jimmy Carter II. I'm not saying Jimmy Carter was a grand president, but he had a lot more on his plate during his administration due to Nixon's fuck ups than a president had seen in a long time. As far as worst presidents go, I'd have to go with Nixon being the worst in modern times followed by W.

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Piotyr;426822][QUOTE=Troll said:

Also, no way in hell is Bush Sr. one of the best presidents. He's firmly in the middle.

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I guess it depends on how much credit you give him for foreign policy advancement in the Eastern Bloc nations, the destruction of the Berlin Wall, and also how well liked the Desert Storm campaign was in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

That's not to say Clinton wasn't better, of course, but a lot of good things happened during HW Bush's tenure.[/QUOTE]

HW had nothing to do with the Berlin Wall.

Carter is going to be looked upon much more favorably in 30 years. He fought Nixon/Ford's screwed up economic policies, pushed America towards energy independence/clean environment, and whipped the Pentagon/Defense Contractors into shape after we lost in Vietnam.

Carter got blindsided by Islamic Fundamentalism, Nixon's Recession, Volker, and OPEC.

Even a lot of Carter's issues date back to Ike's Empire-building. Iran and Central America was screwed royally by the Eisenhower administration.

As my dad is fond of saying: "Carter is one of the nicest guys on the planet, but he was a bad president." I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think it's how a lot of people feel.

Troll said:

As my dad is fond of saying: "Carter is one of the nicest guys on the planet, but he was a bad president." I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think it's how a lot of people feel.

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It really does say a lot that Carter is probably going to be remembered better for what he did after he was president than what he did as one. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.

AshburnerX;426834][QUOTE=Troll said:

As my dad is fond of saying: "Carter is one of the nicest guys on the planet, but he was a bad president." I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think it's how a lot of people feel.

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It really does say a lot that Carter is probably going to be remembered better for what he did after he was president than what he did as one. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.[/QUOTE]

He's basically a Secular Saint.

Carter, LBJ and FDR are all pretty close for worst, but Obama's catching up to them very quickly. He might pass them by 2012. If, by some freak disaster, he gets re-elected, he'll easily pass them by 2016 if the trend holds.

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sixpackshaker;426836][QUOTE=AshburnerX;426834][QUOTE=Troll said:

As my dad is fond of saying: "Carter is one of the nicest guys on the planet, but he was a bad president." I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think it's how a lot of people feel.

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It really does say a lot that Carter is probably going to be remembered better for what he did after he was president than what he did as one. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.[/QUOTE]

He's basically a Secular Saint.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it was so praiseworthy how he's personally signed off on the authenticity of the "elections" of most of the horrific dictators of our current era.

GasBandit said:

Carter, LBJ and FDR are all pretty close for worst, but Obama's catching up to them very quickly. He might pass them by 2012. If, by some freak disaster, he gets re-elected, he'll easily pass them by 2016 if the trend holds.

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sixpackshaker;426836][QUOTE=AshburnerX;426834][QUOTE=Troll said:

As my dad is fond of saying: "Carter is one of the nicest guys on the planet, but he was a bad president." I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think it's how a lot of people feel.

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It really does say a lot that Carter is probably going to be remembered better for what he did after he was president than what he did as one. That's not necessarily a bad thing though.

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He's basically a Secular Saint.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it was so praiseworthy how he's personally signed off on the authenticity of the "elections" of most of the horrific dictators of our current era.[/QUOTE]


Seriously, can I get whatever the fuck it is you smoke? You do realize that every scholarly poll since 1948 has ranked FDR as one of the top 3 presidents ever, right? LBJ is in the top 20.

Chazwozel said:

Seriously, can I get whatever the fuck it is you smoke? You do realize that every scholarly poll since 1948 has ranked FDR as one of the top 3 presidents ever, right?

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It's really easy. Just turn on Fox News and assume they are telling the truth.

The Lovely Boner;426878][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:

Seriously, can I get whatever the fuck it is you smoke? You do realize that every scholarly poll since 1948 has ranked FDR as one of the top 3 presidents ever, right?

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It's really easy. Just turn on Fox News and assume they are telling the truth.[/QUOTE]


Even Fox News would say that FDR was one of the greatest presidents of the US

The Lovely Boner;426878][QUOTE=Chazwozel said:

Seriously, can I get whatever the fuck it is you smoke? You do realize that every scholarly poll since 1948 has ranked FDR as one of the top 3 presidents ever, right?

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It's really easy. Just turn on Fox News and assume they are telling the truth.[/QUOTE]

GB doesn't like Fox News. They're too liberal for him.

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Chazwozel said:

Even Fox News would say that FDR was one of the greatest presidents of the US

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Sadly, no. They spout the same bullshit about how he's terrible because he increased government spending and size. Apparently winning WWII doesn't get you much credit these days.

Fox News HATES FDR. He dared to help out poor people.

The Lovely Boner said:

Fox News HATES FDR. He dared to help out poor people.

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Oh, see, I don't watch Fox News much so I wouldn't catch anti-FDR talk.

Chazwozel;426889][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:

Fox News HATES FDR. He dared to help out poor people.

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Oh, see, I don't watch Fox News much so I wouldn't catch anti-FDR talk.[/QUOTE]

Social Security, unions, and welfare aid. FDR single-handedly moved the country into a land of entitlement.

You guys are all just too stupid to be trusted with a permanent marker, much less anything of higher import. Go on, give me more negative feeback! I enjoy the smell! Neg feedback me! I'm a fiddler crab!

You're all just frickin' morons, still drinkin' the kool-aid.

GasBandit said:

You guys are all just too stupid to be trusted with a permanent marker, much less anything of higher import. Go on, give me more negative feeback! I enjoy the smell! Neg feedback me! I'm a fiddler crab!

You're all just frickin' morons, still drinkin' the kool-aid.

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GasBandit said:

Everybody who posted between this post and my previous post is too stupid to be trusted with a permanent marker, much less anything of higher import. Go on, give me more negative feeback! I enjoy the smell! Neg feedback me! I'm a fiddler crab!

You're all just frickin' morons, still drinkin' the kool-aid.

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Oh fuck off you chittering moron. Take it somewhere else or shut up for once.

Piotyr said:

Reagan gets a lot of credit because of how poorly the country was handled under Carter. He escalated the Cold War (Star Wars) during the first half of his presidency and had it practically completely dissolved due to talks with Gorbachev by the end. He was the textbook definition of a popular figurehead, and he did as much with it as could be expected, using his popularity and affable personality to defuse tense situations with the USSR and Eastern Europe. Inflation and unemployment dropped considerably during his term, which he tends to get a lot of credit for with his Reaganomics (a big Republican economics push), and despite being likely overrated for it by many Republicans, it still attributed somewhat to the economy's growth during that period.

People who think that Reagan was a bad president need to take a closer look at the black hole that was the Presidency between, say, Andrew Jackson and Theodore Roosevelt, with the exception of Lincoln in the middle there (and probably Polk too). Reagan was amazing compared to those nitwits.

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I don't think Reagan was a bad president. I just don't believe he was a particularly good one. Certainly not as stellar as some people make him out to be.

I used to watch Fox News to see what the enemies of America were talking about. But I just stayed so angry at the stream of lies, I could not watch anymore.

Troll;426900][QUOTE=GasBandit said:

Everybody who posted between this post and my previous post is too stupid to be trusted with a permanent marker, much less anything of higher import. Go on, give me more negative feeback! I enjoy the smell! Neg feedback me! I'm a fiddler crab!

You're all just frickin' morons, still drinkin' the kool-aid.

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Oh fuck off you chittering moron. Take it somewhere else or shut up for once.[/QUOTE]

No, you fuck off, once you're done picking the pubic hair out of your teeth. I answered the question and I got is a bunch of liberal smarm all chortling to each other about fox news. Did I lay into the Reaganophobes and Obamapologists about their choices of worst presidents? No, I just said my own choices. You mental defectives couldn't perceive your way out of a wet paper bag, and you can dish it out but you turn into squalling babies the moment anybody comes along who hasn't been sucking Marx's rotted-off cock and demanding the government needs to mow their lawn for them.

In summary, eat shit and die, you coathangered gestational mistake.

GasBandit said:

You guys are all just too stupid to be trusted with a permanent marker, much less anything of higher import. Go on, give me more negative feeback! I enjoy the smell! Neg feedback me! I'm a fiddler crab!

You're all just frickin' morons, still drinkin' the kool-aid.

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Wait, you forgot to talk about how the great libertarian folk-hero Herbert Hoover saved the U.S. from diving into...the...Great Depression...based on his volenteerism and small government...values..

Talk about history repeating itself. Actually it looks like this was the start of the routine of a republican halfwit fucking up the country and having the next democrat president bail it out.

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GasBandit;426903][QUOTE=Troll;426900][QUOTE=GasBandit said:

Everybody who posted between this post and my previous post is too stupid to be trusted with a permanent marker, much less anything of higher import. Go on, give me more negative feeback! I enjoy the smell! Neg feedback me! I'm a fiddler crab!

You're all just frickin' morons, still drinkin' the kool-aid.

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Oh fuck off you chittering moron. Take it somewhere else or shut up for once.[/QUOTE]

No, you fuck off, once you're done picking the pubic hair out of your teeth. I answered the question and I got is a bunch of liberal smarm all chortling to each other about fox news. Did I lay into the Reaganophobes and Obamapologists about their choices of worst presidents? No, I just said my own choices. You mental defectives couldn't perceive your way out of a wet paper bag, and you can dish it out but you turn into squalling babies the moment anybody comes along who hasn't been sucking Marx's rotted-off cock and demanding the government needs to mow their lawn for them.

In summary, eat shit and die, you coathangered gestational mistake.[/QUOTE]


You realize when you talk about 95% of the population being stupid, you're in the top tier of stupid within that 95% majority.

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Piotyr;426890][QUOTE=Chazwozel;426889][QUOTE=The Lovely Boner said:

Fox News HATES FDR. He dared to help out poor people.

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Oh, see, I don't watch Fox News much so I wouldn't catch anti-FDR talk.[/QUOTE]

Social Security, unions, and welfare aid. FDR single-handedly moved the country into a land of entitlement.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, damn the man for giving me something to back off of when I retire, a union to give me fair job rights, and aid in case I lose my home. If a government can't protect its people, what's the point of a government in the first place? In that case, shouldn't we all be living Gasbandit's wet dream of a country where it's every man for himself, living in a bomb shelter with a row of machine guns on the wall?

GasBandit said:

In summary, eat shit and die, you coathangered gestational mistake.

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WHOA who tried to blow up your forest moon this morning?

Wake me when you got something better to say than "Nuh uh, YOU!" Chaz. For such a supposedly well-educated fella, you're probably the guy on this board with the least sense of anyone.

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The Lovely Boner;426915][QUOTE=GasBandit said:

In summary, eat shit and die, you coathangered gestational mistake.

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WHOA who tried to blow up your forest moon this morning?[/QUOTE]
See, now THAT's a comeback.

:slap: Damn it, Troll, how many times I gotta tells ya, don't fall for the obvious bait!

EDIT: Nevermind, you're not worth the time.

Seems like a lot of people got their cheerios pissed in today. If you want to try this again keep it civil and lay off the internettoughguybullshit.