Who's "Bob Dylan?"

[ElJuski]

See, you're completely mixing up your merit argument then. The Beatles are known worldwide not because they pushed the envelope music-wise (although that does factor in overall with their superstardom. I'm not saying they didn't have talent and inspiration musically.). They're known worldwide because a good portion of their catalog is either easily adapted or copied, or because their catalog itself was whored out. Sure, you get top singles like Lucy in the Sky, etc, which will happen when you're one of the biggest bands of all time.

I think you're whole debate about "asking people about that summer" is bullshit. I can ask my mom; she'll talk to you about the Beatles, and then ramble on and on and on about Led Zeppelin. And you're whole anecdotal "pot factors in more than you think" is completely useless in this discussion, because (A) you can't prove how much I think (or care) about the drug's influence on the band, or (B) the ACTUAL influence it had on the band, except that you could kinda sorta say that when they were introduced into the psychedelic drug scene, their music began taking different roads. So, I could just as easily say that Pepper is thanks to a dynamic change in the attitude's of the members of the band, thanks to different musicians, to the eventual acceptance and casual use of recreational drugs, and different philosophical meanderings of the band.

And none of that even figures in that you can hear most of those Beatles songs mentioned above on some commercial format or television show--because it's immediately poppy and accessible. Even Lucy. Even Hey Jude. Even Yesterday.

 

[Calleja]

I was constructing a whole post on my head to counter your points as I read along.

Then you said Lucy was "poppy and accessible".

We obviously have way, way, way too different of a definition of "poppy" to bother continuing the discussion.

Maybe you forgot what Lucy sounds like?

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[blotsfan]

I might die for saying this, but I really don't get what the big deal with the Beatles is. I mean, they have some good stuff, but its not that good. aranoid:

 

[Bubble181]

Whoa, trippy clip. Hadn't seen that one yet.

Anyway, Calleja, despite evereything else that song has going for (or against) it, and everything you want to pile on it - yes, it's quite poppy and easily listenable. It's played ad nauseam on the "family" radio stations here. Not because it's so edgy and has a message about drugs, I assure you, but because it's easily listenabel to on the surface. Children will listen to it and happily hum along the tune of the chorus.

 

[Biardo]

I'm not going to argue against callela because allen and eljuski said everthing I would've said already but I would like to say that the people who say that Dylans songs aren't that good musically that they really have to listen to them.

they are great and the voice of dylan is just right for the music he plays with that, one of the quotes about dylan is Nobody sings Dylan like Dylan and that's true, sure there are many covers of his songs but onley a hand full maybe even less are an improvement of the song. They maybe more popular and catchier but that doesn't make them beter if you really listen. The onley cover of a dylan song that I will say is better then the original, and not even much, is All along the watchtower by Jimi Hendrix.

I just think that to many people listen to a dylan song once hear that nassaly voice and are turned of by that, so they don't realize that his voice works once you get used to it and really start to listen to the melodies he achieves in his music and his voice.

I'm on the wrong computer to spellcheck so sorry for that

 

[ElJuski]

I have not forgot what poppy sounds like. Rather, I have listened to a vast variety of music and relatively, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is a hella poppy tune. Mayhaps you need to put that song up against "Too Drunk to Fuck" by the Dead Kennedy's to see the difference.

 

[Cajungal]

Really? Again?

Well, anyway, I got a laugh from this. I know the big Dylan songs but haven't listened to everything... but I can't imagine having no idea who he is. I guess that's what happens, though. Doesn't really shock or appall me.

 

[@Li3n]

Actually if you look at the second linked article it says that they did recognize the name, they just didn't believe it/recognized him.

 

[Selgeron]

for once a celebrity is treated like everyone else and we're complaining now? Why would it have mattered if they knew who he was.

And the celebrity was even polite about it. Sounds like kudos for everyone involved.

 

[JCM]

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Buhtles....

Buh Dahlun

Dhats ul whut nehd tuh buh sah :smug:


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Corrected that in Dylan-Speak

 

[@Li3n]

And the celebrity was even polite about it. Sounds like kudos for everyone involved.

STOP RUINING THE THREAD WITH YOUR REASONING...

 

[ElJuski]

for once a celebrity is treated like everyone else and we're complaining now? Why would it have mattered if they knew who he was.

And the celebrity was even polite about it. Sounds like kudos for everyone involved.

It's more of an amusing disappointment versus anger and rage over it all.

 

[Hailey Knight]

for once a celebrity is treated like everyone else and we're complaining now? Why would it have mattered if they knew who he was.

And the celebrity was even polite about it. Sounds like kudos for everyone involved.

It's more of an amusing disappointment versus anger and rage over it all.

Disappointment? Were we hoping for Dylan to pull a celebrity outrage "Do you know who I am?!" and then the police throw him to the ground?

 

[Calleja]

I think he means disappointment that Dylan wasn't recognized. Y'know, cause it means the new generations have crappy taste and are forgetting the classics.

 

[ElJuski]

I think he means disappointment that Dylan wasn't recognized. Y'know, cause it means the new generations have crappy taste and are forgetting the classics.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not...

 

[Calleja]

I'm not, it's a fucking shame.

 

[Cat]

No problem here, not every crazy old man prowling around is going to Bob Dylan.

 

[@Li3n]

just most of them...

 

[Joe Johnson]

The Beatles were a pretty decent band.
It's just too bad they were a complete rip-off of the Monkees.

 

[fade]

that's my point, dylan was dylan for one generation.

since, he's pretty much become an "oldies music" kinda guy. Ask anyone under the age of 20 what's their favorite Dylan album and they'll stare at you blankly.

Do the same with Beatles and you'll get a much more widespread response. Cause their impact on the general psyche is still one of the biggest in the history of any musician, ever.

That being said, Allen, I meant "biggest contribution to mankind" when I said "greatest". I meant great as in sheer size, the merit of being all for social causes is another debate entirely. I'm arguing here for actual, quinatifiable, impact on human kind.

I call you on that. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that amongst the 20-something crowd, the Beatles are not only considered oldies, but the representative example of oldies.

 

[sixpackshaker]

So a mainstream pop band is better remembered than an alternative singer songwriter. Yes the Jonas Brothers might be better remembered in 30 years than Robert Earl Keen. I still bet that REK wrote better songs.

 

[Bubble181]

And I think Fade's right.