Ignoring Supreme Court: Obama's warrant-less tracking

[strawman]

Despite last year's Supreme Court ruling that vehicle tracking constitutes a search, and thus requires a warrant, the Obama administration instructs agencies to continue to attach GPS tracking devices to the vehicles of US Citizens illegally.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/gps-warrant-requirement/

Details on last years ruling that forces such tracking to be considered search and seizure:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/scotus-gps-ruling/

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

They should just be lucky they're not getting blown up by drones.

 

[Azurephoenix]

They should just be lucky they're not getting blown up by drones.

Just think of the accuracy of a drone firing on a car with a GPS tracker Charlie.

 

[Eriol]

Just think of the accuracy of a drone firing on a car with a GPS tracker Charlie.

Military ones go down to sub-meter resolution, so I have little doubt law enforcement can get that accurate as well. So accurate enough.

 

[sixpackshaker]

I am for domestic drones as long as they are targeting road hogs driving under the speed limit in the fast lane...

 

[Bowielee]

I still can't believe the laissez faire attitude people have towards unwarranted search and seizure.

 

[strawman]

I still can't believe the laissez faire attitude people have towards unwarranted search and seizure.

To some degree it's a "it doesn't affect me personally" problem.

They came for the terrorists, but I wasn't a terrorist. They came for the criminals but I wasn't a criminal. They came for the abusers and violent but I wasn't violent and didn't abuse. Then they came for the speeders.

%#^&

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

I still can't believe the laissez faire attitude people have towards unwarranted search and seizure.

It's a pretty lethal combo of "fuck you, got mine" and white privilege at its best (worst).

 

[Tress]

It's a pretty lethal combo of "fuck you, got mine" and white privilege at its best (worst).

Are you feeling okay? You stretched so hard to blame white people on that one that you may have pulled a muscle.

 

[strawman]

Are you feeling okay? You stretched so hard to blame white people on that one that you may have pulled a muscle.

Hey now, I godwin'd the thread a whole post before Charlie pulled in white privilege.

Are you treating me special because I'm white, or because I'm middle class and keeping the poor down?

 

[Sparhawk]

You're being treated special because you have personally bred your very own small army, and we are afraid.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

Are you feeling okay? You stretched so hard to blame white people on that one that you may have pulled a muscle.

White people aren't harassed by the cops to the same degree colored people are. I didn't think this was news/a shocking revelation???

 

[Tress]

Just shut the fuck up. You're embarrassing yourself now, twit.

 

[Bowielee]

Just shut the fuck up. You're embarrassing yourself now, twit.

Hold on a second, he does make a valid point there, in his dumbass charlie sort of way. Racial profiling is still a HUGE issue in this. I can bet you dollars to doughnuts that people who look middle eastern or have middle eastern names will still be the first to fall under these sorts of illegal searches and seizures. One of my college professors is from Iran and he's lived here for 30 years and he still gets profiled all over the place.

 

[Tress]

Okay, but here's why I'm annoyed. You commented on how amazed you are that more people don't care about this sort of thing. His response? "Yeah, it's people being selfish, and privileged white people."

So people of color are up in arms over this, are they? Huge outcry in Black, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, and Asian communities? Must be white people keeping it all quiet.

I don't doubt for a moment that non-white people get profiled much more. But he decided to mention that in response to a completely different point. Why, it's almost as if he was just sitting here, waiting in anticipation to blame white people for this! Of course Charlie, ever the rational and logical person, would never do that!

 

[GasBandit]

I still can't believe the laissez faire attitude people have towards unwarranted search and seizure.

Uh... that's not what laissez faire means.

A laissez faire attitude would be as outraged as you are, as basically laissez faire can be summed up by the phrase "It's none of government's business to be involved."

 

[Bowielee]

Uh... that's not what laissez faire means.

A laissez faire attitude would be as outraged as you are, as basically laissez faire can be summed up by the phrase "It's none of government's business to be involved."

You're right, I used it incorrectly.[DOUBLEPOST=1363818610][/DOUBLEPOST]

Okay, but here's why I'm annoyed. You commented on how amazed you are that more people don't care about this sort of thing. His response? "Yeah, it's people being selfish, and privileged white people."

So people of color are up in arms over this, are they? Huge outcry in Black, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, and Asian communities? Must be white people keeping it all quiet.

I don't doubt for a moment that non-white people get profiled much more. But he decided to mention that in response to a completely different point. Why, it's almost as if he was just sitting here, waiting in anticipation to blame white people for this! Of course Charlie, ever the rational and logical person, would never do that!

Your response kind of makes it sound like you're dismissing the point. Yes, Charlie is a dumbass, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Sparhawk]

Yes, Charlie is a dumbass, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Not if it's a digital clock.

 

[GasBandit]

Not if it's a digital clock.

And that's why I prefer the more folksy "even a blind pig finds a kernel of corn once in a while."

 

[Bowielee]

Not if it's a digital clock.

He's obviously analogue because he gets people so wound up... ZING!

 

[Sparhawk]

Granted, my response was just a joke response, but seriously now... We're living among more and more people that don't really know how to tell time from an analogue clock. It's really rather disheartening.

 

[Bowielee]

Yeah, I'd wager most teenagers right now wouldn't actually know how to read an analogue clock.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

analog clocks are stupid as fuck and why does it matter if anyone on earth knows how they work? I don't know how to use all kinds of ancient technology

 

[strawman]

Kids are still taught how to read an analog clock face.

 

[Sparhawk]

Kids are still taught how to read an analog clock face.

Much like diagramming sentences, they forget it almost instantly since they don't use it regularly. They learn to look at the phone to see the time now.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

also mildly getting back on topic despite not wanting to bother anymore

Okay, but here's why I'm annoyed. You commented on how amazed you are that more people don't care about this sort of thing. His response? "Yeah, it's people being selfish, and privileged white people."

So people of color are up in arms over this, are they? Huge outcry in Black, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, and Asian communities? Must be white people keeping it all quiet.

I don't doubt for a moment that non-white people get profiled much more. But he decided to mention that in response to a completely different point. Why, it's almost as if he was just sitting here, waiting in anticipation to blame white people for this! Of course Charlie, ever the rational and logical person, would never do that!

People only care about shit happening when it happens to them or someone they know. old white dudes have all the power and them and their friends have probably never been pulled over for driving while black or had their shit searched or had a gun pointed at them.

It's like that shithead senator who now gives a huge big fuck about gay rights since his son came out of the closet (see also: Cheney, Dick)

 

[Bowielee]

analog clocks are stupid as fuck and why does it matter if anyone on earth knows how they work? I don't know how to use all kinds of ancient technology

Fucking magnets, how do they work?

 

[GasBandit]

Scientists be lyin and gettin charlie pissed.

 

[bhamv3]

Remember how people were up in arms when Bush was around and the Patriot Act was first implemented? Why isn't that happening now?

 

[Cajungal]

Kids are still taught how to read an analog clock face.

It's a good way to reinforce counting by 5's. It also demonstrates what a quarter of an hour is and gives you a better idea of "where" you are in an hour.

/elementary school teacher

 

[Tress]

Remember how people were up in arms when Bush was around and the Patriot Act was first implemented? Why isn't that happening now?

I think people are worn down and tired. We still hate it, we've just exhausted ourselves protesting.

Also, white people.

 

[Bowielee]

Remember how people were up in arms when Bush was around and the Patriot Act was first implemented? Why isn't that happening now?

That's not how I remember it. I recall people just rolling over the second anyone mentioned the "war on terror".

And anyone who dissented was labelled unamerican

 

[Cajungal]

^Thats what I remember too. People hadn't yet gotten over the flag-waving phase. Some people I knew didn't like it, but not many spoke up.

 

[Bowielee]

I was literally afraid to talk about politics back then for fear of actual physical retaliation.

 

[bhamv3]

That's not how I remember it. I recall people just rolling over the second anyone mentioned the "war on terror".

And anyone who dissented was labelled unamerican

Oh, huh, maybe not when it was first implemented then. There was definitely opposition afterwards though, maybe around the time approaching the election. Just found it odd how America seems to be ok with giving Obama a lot more leeway for very similar actions. Or am I mistaken?