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[TV] Talk about the last TV you watched, the catchall thread
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I know, its fuckin' awesome! And the fact that Will doesn't know he's a serial killer is such an awesome twist!
Name -ONE- time you'd rather have Green Arrow over Batman. Name one time when Batman couldn't do the job the same or better. More to the point, how many people outside of DC fans even know who Green Arrow is?
He's a B-Lister. He's KING of the B-Listers, but still a B-Lister. That's why he didn't become a major player until Justice League Unlimited.
Does Batman have a competing series?
It was in response to the "No one even knows who Green Arrow is outside of DC comic nerds" comment.[DOUBLEPOST=1366619163][/DOUBLEPOST]Though one time I'd rather have Green Arrow instead of Batman? Having any sort of conversation. Ollie's a regular dude, not a revenge obsessed brooding machine. That's kind of the whole point of Oliver, he's what Batman would be if he would lighten up once in a while.
In all fairness they aren't really promoting the series as Green Arrow. I'm only about halfway through the series, and the rest are currently on my DVR, but my wife has told me that the name Green Arrow hasn't even been used once. Apparently this may change in the second season, but I have a feeling I know what is going on here.
Why tell people "This is a series about the Green Arrow" when most of the people they want to attract don't know or don't care who Green Arrow is? Don't get me wrong. I love Green Arrow. When City of Heroes came up with a bow and arrow set of abilities I was totally on board to make my own archer character. But it's true that at best he's a B-lister. The series is clearly marketed as a generic vigilante series to attract people who might poo-poo the series if they knew it what it was based on.
My opinion of the series so far is that it's okay. It's not Supernatural great. It's just okay. The action takes a back-seat to family drama, and it's kind of like watching an episode of Parenthood with a family member secretly being a super hero on occasion. Cause sure. I would much rather watch Oliver's sister lust over his best friend, than Green Arrow kick some ass.
Plus are the police just absolutely lazy or incompetent in this? I'll have to go with the latter, considering that the chief has a personal vendetta against Oliver and WANTS him to be the vigilante. And in the episode where they have the evidence they need to press charges, what clears him completely? Another masked vigilante appearing across town who's not even using arrows. "Cause Damn you, Oliver! You're not smart enough to have someone wear the same costume that conceals your face in an attempt to throw us off!".
PS: Can't the chief of police just cast a tracking spell or something?
That's basically why I didn't bring up Arrow. It suffers from a bad budget and an unwillingness to let Oliver actually do the kinds of things that would bring in the comics fans, but is perfectly willing to meander through the family stuff that pulls in the female viewers. It's not terrible but I can't really think of a reason why I'd suggest it to anyone ether.
Green Arrow is far from a bad character, but Arrow isn't doing him any favors.
Green Arrow is far from a bad character, but Arrow isn't doing him any favors.
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That always seems to be true of the superhero genre. The cops are always milling around practically going "Durr durr" and holding their guns backwards.
Unless they happen to be detectives who are willing to work with the super-hero, of course. Bullock, hates the Batman, super incompetent. Montoya, helps the Batman, super capable.
Isn't Bullock also somewhat corrupt? Not "letting drug dealers go for money" corrupt but "lets bad shit happen to people he doesn't like" corrupt?
I enjoyed it. I has potential to be good so we'll see where it goes. The 3D animation was a little sub par in my books... but I do understand how quickly the post production budget can get eaten up with the large amount of compositing in many scenes.
figmentPez
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Hard Travelling Heroes. That setup simply would not have worked with Batman, even a campier 70s Batman.
GasBandit
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Deadwood is great stuff. I just hope you like the word "fuckin'." It's a pity it got cancelled, really. Kinda leaves you hanging a bit.
And cocksucker. God help you if you don't like hearing the word cocksucker.
GasBandit
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Those who don't... suck cock by choice. - Tom Nuttal
Even I'll admit the first season was not all that fantastic. Then again, it could be because they treated Superman like a chump, purposely, to make every villain look more threatening.
The second season is much better, though. Bit slow paced compared Unlimited, but still good.[DOUBLEPOST=1366862089][/DOUBLEPOST]Meanwhile, I just finished watching the Veronica Mars pilot. I'm officially hooked. So much so that I'm going to hunt for at least the first season DVD tomorrow.
Almost finished season one of Deadwood. Calamity Jane basically *IS* my friend Evee. They even walk the same. My roommate and I just refr to her as Evee, and our other friend who happens to be Evee's boyfriend undertood us when we told him without context that we had just seen his girlfriend on tv.
And just to catch up on the Batman/Green Arrow/Bullock discussion:
1) Ollie came relatively shortly after Batman and really was a poor man's Batman in a lot of ways. He had an Arrowcar, an Arrowcave, a peppy sidekick, the whole nine yards. It wasn't until the 70s or so that he broke out into his own as a different kind of character. In a lot of ways, he's much more relatable. He was once rich just like Bruce Wayne, but gave it all away so he wasn't one of the corrupt suits that he hated. He became outspoken on social issues, which is something that - so far as I know - the new 52 Ollie doesn't do, which is a damn shame because it made him unique. He was more about fighting social injustice and the dirtier side of crime than fighting it out with the supervillain of the week like Batman. Not to say that Batman doesn't do the other, as well, but not to the degree Ollie does.
2) Bullock isn't so much a corrupt or dirty cop so much as a more old fashioned cop. He likes to take liberties and enjoys a little excessive force, but he won't take a payoff or let the wrong guy go unpunished.
1) Ollie came relatively shortly after Batman and really was a poor man's Batman in a lot of ways. He had an Arrowcar, an Arrowcave, a peppy sidekick, the whole nine yards. It wasn't until the 70s or so that he broke out into his own as a different kind of character. In a lot of ways, he's much more relatable. He was once rich just like Bruce Wayne, but gave it all away so he wasn't one of the corrupt suits that he hated. He became outspoken on social issues, which is something that - so far as I know - the new 52 Ollie doesn't do, which is a damn shame because it made him unique. He was more about fighting social injustice and the dirtier side of crime than fighting it out with the supervillain of the week like Batman. Not to say that Batman doesn't do the other, as well, but not to the degree Ollie does.
2) Bullock isn't so much a corrupt or dirty cop so much as a more old fashioned cop. He likes to take liberties and enjoys a little excessive force, but he won't take a payoff or let the wrong guy go unpunished.
One thing I always found weird about Bollock(at least in the animated series from what I've seen) is how in the real world, his distaste with Batman would be more agreed with. Bats is a damn vigilante who never reveals his identity and is probably insane! But when Harvey takes issue with it, Gordon tells him to shut up. Sure a good chunk of the guy's distaste is cos the Bat is somehow more effective being an unkillable protagonist, but MOSTLY do to the fact that he is breaking the law.
Another thing I've always found weird about Batman, why doesn't Bruce Wayne just donate money to the police so they can get awesome battle suits like him? The technology exists in this horrible dystopian world that is a mainstream comics universe, but nooooooooooooo he has to fight crime alone...unless he's with his varied number of sidekicks or the other members of the Justice Peoples ...which is all the time.
Still love Bats, but I use my suspension of disbelief on him more than any other superhero. This includes the guy who can shoot lasers from his eyes.
Another thing I've always found weird about Batman, why doesn't Bruce Wayne just donate money to the police so they can get awesome battle suits like him? The technology exists in this horrible dystopian world that is a mainstream comics universe, but nooooooooooooo he has to fight crime alone...unless he's with his varied number of sidekicks or the other members of the Justice Peoples ...which is all the time.
Still love Bats, but I use my suspension of disbelief on him more than any other superhero. This includes the guy who can shoot lasers from his eyes.
- Bruce doesn't want to reveal his identity, so it's not like he can just let the cops buy his stuff and he doesn't want to finance Lex Luthor ether. They'd never be able to have comparable equipment unless Bruce felt like spending the rest of his life in jail or giving Luthor even more money.
- Bruce trained his entire life from when he was very young to be as good as he is. Cops are lucky to get a few years of training in their entire lives. Just having better gear won't make them better cops.
- If the cops start using it, so will the random thugs in the city and they can get better. Bruce wants to keep an arms race from happening, because the day that random thugs start needing to carry lasers to fight the cops is the day civilian casualties increase ten fold. It's bad enough when they are using pistols, can you imagine what Gotham would look like if gangbangers were carrying around rocket launchers?
- The Gotham PD is notoriously corrupt and more than a few of them would use the gear to start rackets of their own. Most of the honest ones ether leave in disgust, are forced out by the corrupt ones, or die on the streets. This is a real issue in the Gotham Central series, where several of the main characters are actually complete slimeballs.
- Virtually all of Batman's villains have reasonable levels of resistance. With the exception of Clayface, you could could gun all of them down with normal assault rifles if it came to that. Why does the Gotham PD need fancy Batman gear when 99% of the guys they encounter can be taken out with bullets and tear gas?
Half the gotham city police force are corrupt. It Bruce Wayne outfitted them all with high tech bat weapons, they'd be sold to the criminals.
She's Quebecois.
Well, maybe be more selective then? He's the world's greatest detective he knows who's on the level and what-not.
That's basically the entire point of Batman Inc.: Bruce is financing Batmen across the world, giving them access to training, supplies, and financing to fight the problems in their native cities/countries. When he only needs to do one or two people per a country then it's a doable endeavor.
As for why he doesn't do it on a wider scale... who would defend the city while he's doing all these checks? It's bad enough to spend a week or two to vet a single person, imagine what would be happening while he's running through a thousand or more cops in Gotham? He just doesn't have the time to do it and most of the rest of the Bat Family have responsibilities of their own.
Well then he could do it every few months if and when he can make the time, I'm not married to the idea being one way.
And I've been meaning to read Batman Inc, just a bit conflicted since I heard they didn't end it.
And I've been meaning to read Batman Inc, just a bit conflicted since I heard they didn't end it.
I would like to meet your friend.
You know why I like today? Because after watching an episode Superman the animated series I learned how to pronounce Mxyzptlk! Miz-yes-spit-lick! Hooray!
figmentPez
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I thought it was Mix-yiz-spit-lick.
I thought it was lik tips ziy xim...
It is a debated pronunciation indeed and the question plagues many minds, but I'm gonna stick with what I heard in the animated series just for certainties sake.
I'll amend my earlier post to say; she's only like that when she's angry and/or angry. It is really easy to get her angry though.
She's also a mighty fine artist.
Also, thanks for not pointing out my numerous spelling errors. I have not yet mastered typing on my phone.
But did you learn how to pronounce it backwards?