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Article about sharing by John Walker of Rock Paper Shotgun.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/23/unlearning-to-share-the-industry-hatred-of-human-nature/[DOUBLEPOST=1369347744][/DOUBLEPOST]http://stevivor.com/2013/05/microsoft-xbox-australia-on-some-of-todays-lingering-xbox-one-questions/
Apparently using the smagical cloud, the Xbone is 40 times more powerful than a 360, without the smagical cloud, it's only 10 times as powerful.
Man Microsoft and it's mixed messages, amirite?
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/05/23/unlearning-to-share-the-industry-hatred-of-human-nature/[DOUBLEPOST=1369347744][/DOUBLEPOST]http://stevivor.com/2013/05/microsoft-xbox-australia-on-some-of-todays-lingering-xbox-one-questions/
Apparently using the smagical cloud, the Xbone is 40 times more powerful than a 360, without the smagical cloud, it's only 10 times as powerful.
Or is it infinitely more powerful?
Man Microsoft and it's mixed messages, amirite?
Dumbshit articles like this.
http://www.destructoid.com/pc-gamers-don-t-have-used-games-and-we-re-just-fine-254383.phtml
or Ben Kuchera's
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...ontrol-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the
As if Microsoft in total control of pricing is going to lead to lower prices. That's always the case right? A corporation manages to gain complete control over pricing without any sort of competition and prices go down. That's how it works right?
The first idiot is equating a unified storefront such as XBLA where one company has final control over it to PC gaming where there's choice, be it shitty Origin, less shitty Steam, respectable GoG or the myriad of others. Not the same fucking thing.[DOUBLEPOST=1369351457][/DOUBLEPOST]I wonder how the Xbone's no used feature is going to go over in Europe. They already force Steam to allow people to sell their Steam games in some places there. Or is Mircrosoft just not going to worry about anything but the US (given the feature set, that sounds entirely possible)?
http://www.destructoid.com/pc-gamers-don-t-have-used-games-and-we-re-just-fine-254383.phtml
or Ben Kuchera's
http://penny-arcade.com/report/arti...ontrol-of-the-second-hand-market-could-be-the
As if Microsoft in total control of pricing is going to lead to lower prices. That's always the case right? A corporation manages to gain complete control over pricing without any sort of competition and prices go down. That's how it works right?
The first idiot is equating a unified storefront such as XBLA where one company has final control over it to PC gaming where there's choice, be it shitty Origin, less shitty Steam, respectable GoG or the myriad of others. Not the same fucking thing.[DOUBLEPOST=1369351457][/DOUBLEPOST]I wonder how the Xbone's no used feature is going to go over in Europe. They already force Steam to allow people to sell their Steam games in some places there. Or is Mircrosoft just not going to worry about anything but the US (given the feature set, that sounds entirely possible)?
They will be forced to let Europeans sell their games and license keys. There really isn't anything they can do about it. It's the law there.
Why wouldn't they? If they aren't going to give up on Japan, why would they give up Europe?
If they were to decide not to release in Europe, there'd be a slight bit of a shitstorm over it. I'm not sure even Microsoft can be so blunt as to not release a console in EU. Possibly with severe restrictions, but the game community is too international. Considering the EU makes up a bit over a quarter of the revenue of the game industry (http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_game_industry - though this doesn't include some types of phone games and hasn't been updated for last year), I don't think developers would be happy. Say they'd lose 5% of sales on non-exclusives and 15% on exclusives - and that seems to be lowballing it. Even CoD would be classed as a "failure" with 15% less sales (because the industry is stupid that way).
http://www.oxm.co.uk/54712/microsof...-360s-sold-and-one-billion-next-gen-consoles/
Yeah, MS Vice pres says they're aiming for A BILLION Xbones to be sold.
Yeah, MS Vice pres says they're aiming for A BILLION Xbones to be sold.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/publ...of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales-at-retail/0116137
So apparently, you're going to be able to sell your used to game to a Microsoft pre-approved vendor who will then have PERMISSION to sell the game again at whatever price and Microsoft and whatever publisher gets a cut of the sale.
AWFUL. AWFUL. AWFUL.
No private selling and lending games is fucking tantamount to stealing.
More consumer rights down the fucking toilet.
All this means is that your games are going to be worth less to Gamestop or Best Buy (as if the cuts to MS/Pub are going to come out of their end). As always, less competition means better prices for consumers, right?
Of course, the source of this information is MCV, who are notoriously full of shit.[DOUBLEPOST=1369392695][/DOUBLEPOST]
So apparently, you're going to be able to sell your used to game to a Microsoft pre-approved vendor who will then have PERMISSION to sell the game again at whatever price and Microsoft and whatever publisher gets a cut of the sale.
AWFUL. AWFUL. AWFUL.
No private selling and lending games is fucking tantamount to stealing.
More consumer rights down the fucking toilet.
All this means is that your games are going to be worth less to Gamestop or Best Buy (as if the cuts to MS/Pub are going to come out of their end). As always, less competition means better prices for consumers, right?
Of course, the source of this information is MCV, who are notoriously full of shit.[DOUBLEPOST=1369392695][/DOUBLEPOST]
A billion next-gen consoles. If this keeps up, that'll be 75 million XBones, 75 million PS4s, 50 millions WiiUs, and 800 million Steam boxes and other
This is going to go to court.
If they claim that they are only licensing the content to users and that users do not have a right to sell it (first sale doctrine) since it's licensed, not purchased - then they can't turn around and say that users can sell it to a specially licensed vender, who can then sell it to another user.
They can't say "licensed" on one hand and "resalable product" when it suits them.
On one hand, I think places like Gamestop are terrible. Oh, can I buy a "used" copy for 3 dollars less than a new one? THANKS GAMESTOP.
On the other hand, I reeeeeeeeaaaaaaally don't like anyone telling me what I can and can't do with something I buy. I bought the game? I will sell it if I damn well feel like it, I will give it to someone if I want or I will simply poop on it and then rub it all over a pigs head if I feel like it.
On the other hand, I reeeeeeeeaaaaaaally don't like anyone telling me what I can and can't do with something I buy. I bought the game? I will sell it if I damn well feel like it, I will give it to someone if I want or I will simply poop on it and then rub it all over a pigs head if I feel like it.
Though, if the latter and it's not an EA game, you may have other issues
Game companies keep trying to convince everyone everywhere they're selling a license, which, with MMOs and othe always-online games where (a part of) the calculations are done serverside, is becoming more and more true, sadly.
However, whenever this bites them in the ass, they try to turn around and claim they sell an as-is product. Nobody's been able or willing to call them out on it yet, we'll see how that goes if or when someone does.
Y'know - if they provide a license to a service, they have several obligations to the clientele - which they aren't honouring at all in many cases.
So is Microsoft purposely shooting themselves in the foot to get out of the console market?
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Seems to me the easier, less expensive way to do that would just be to announce "The 360 was our last console. Sniff you jerks later."
I really think that Microsoft actually believes that they are doing everyone a favour with this new console. Kind of scary actually.
I have to admit, without the used/shared game garbage, the only thing I would be annoyed with would be the lack of described games so far.
It's just that the used/shared thing is kind of big. Like one-of-the-biggest-reasons-to-own-a-console big.
Everything else, with the TV/Media shit, is just nice to have, but no one is ever going to buy a console for that.
It's just that the used/shared thing is kind of big. Like one-of-the-biggest-reasons-to-own-a-console big.
Everything else, with the TV/Media shit, is just nice to have, but no one is ever going to buy a console for that.
The only... ONLY way I can see this Television integration working for them is if Microsoft gives free Xbox Live to people using the system for cable. People already complain about having to pay Microsoft to use a service they ALREADY pay for (Netflix, Hulu Plus, ESPN) but having to pay ANOTHER $15 a month/$60 a year to watch normal television? Forget about it.
The whole thing frankly bothers me. The used game issue, the size and design, the focus on TV rather then gaming, the required online connection, the fact Kinect will always be staring at me, etc... There is nothing in that system that actually makes me want to buy it, but now multiple things that make me actually want to get rid of it even if someone gave it to me. That's now bad this whole thing went over.
Maybe it's just me, but as a Kinect owner, I don't really care about this one.
Just don't watch porn through your Xbox (per the PA strip above).
They've also said there will be a privacy mode so you won't have to worry about it watching you. If you're really paranoid you can always put a towel or something on it.
...Because an on/off button would've killed them.
That aside -I think they were hoping to be able to actually replace the cable set-top box or satellite decoder. If the XBox could truly function as the one and only box you need to hook up to your tv - it'll stream everything from your pc, it can go on line, you can watch all your tv in HD, you can play blue ray on it - and the price point wasn't too out-of-this-world, I could see a lot of people - even non-gamers - go for it as a good solution.
As is, it's a huge piece of junk. Or a great troll
That aside -I think they were hoping to be able to actually replace the cable set-top box or satellite decoder. If the XBox could truly function as the one and only box you need to hook up to your tv - it'll stream everything from your pc, it can go on line, you can watch all your tv in HD, you can play blue ray on it - and the price point wasn't too out-of-this-world, I could see a lot of people - even non-gamers - go for it as a good solution.
As is, it's a huge piece of junk. Or a great troll
I shouldn't have to put a towel over it or go through some crazy menu to disable it. They made it out like it won't even work if I decided to remove the Kinect from the system entirely, and that is what bothers me.
It's not about watching porn, it's the fact I don't want a camera possibly recording me without my permission unless I set up some privacy mode that will likely disable half the functions on the box. There is nothing wrong with Kinect. Making it a MANDATORY part of the system is the problem.
What, you don't like the eye of Sauron watching you with it's lidless gaze? Always watching...
We're about 85% of the way there for Orwell's 1984. The vision screens in your living room, whereby They can see and hear everything in your home, would pretty much take us all the way there.
Also, it's a MS product. I'm willing to bet there WILL (eventually) be some exploit found to access it remotely. Wait for the very first (Yeah right) porn made by people who don't realize they're being filmed
Also, it's a MS product. I'm willing to bet there WILL (eventually) be some exploit found to access it remotely. Wait for the very first (Yeah right) porn made by people who don't realize they're being filmed
The "Console War" and how it seems to be going this year in a nutshell.
Seems Nintendo has the right idea about barely doing anything.
Seems Nintendo has the right idea about barely doing anything.
I figure it's most likely safer than the camera that's built into every laptop. At least you don't need to worry about some virus getting on it and having some random person start watching you.[DOUBLEPOST=1369424209][/DOUBLEPOST]There's even one on every phone now. I don't know why people are freaking out about a camera when they're absolutely everywhere now. Google is getting more information about you from your phone and searches than MS ever could hope to get by having this thing in your house.
Because there's no way an always-on-line box, with regular, uncontrolled updates, a hard drive where the save games are kept, and plenty and plenty of multiplayer games writing to your HD, will ever have any security loophole, ever - ever! Consoles can and have been infected (mostly the jailbroken ones, of course, but not only).
Can you really say that though? Who says an exploit is not found that lets someone do that? Actually, from what I read a "friend" on your skype list can just call you up and load onto the screen without you having to accept the "call". That sounds less secure to me then actually having the ability to accept friend calls on the PC.
At the very least if the camera on the PC bothers me, I can bork the drivers without losing half the functionality of my system and possibly disabling a large amount of games. Not so much on the XBone.
Consoles are a whole lot more secure than regular PC's, at least they have in the past. We'll see with this one, but the closed nature of them makes it a whole lot harder.
I seriously doubt they would turn the camera on without you answering the call. I could see the friends video feed popping up saying you have an incoming call, but it won't auto answer for you.