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GasBandit

GasBandit

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The most unshut shutdown ever. Especially considering those parks, monuments and museums are not so much shut down (as in abandoned and left empty and open) as barricaded (as in costing time, money and manpower to inconvenience the public as much as possible while missing entirely what "shut down" means).
 
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Dubyamn

GasBandit said:
The most unshut shutdown ever. Especially considering those parks, monuments and museums are not so much shut down (as in abandoned and left empty and open) as barricaded (as in costing time, money and manpower to inconvenience the public as much as possible while missing entirely what "shut down" means).
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Of course it's a small price compared to the price that it would be to repair our monuments of the damage that would happen if they were just left empty and open.

And of course the families of the military members killed last week probably disagree with you considering how they are going to be paying for the funerals of their sons, fathers and husbands out of their own pocket due to the fact that the death benefits aren't going to be paid. And in the next week thousands of veterans will definitely disagree with you when their benefits don't come in. Of course you don't give a shit about any of them.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Dubyamn said:
Of course it's a small price compared to the price that it would be to repair our monuments of the damage that would happen if they were just left empty and open.

And of course the families of the military members killed last week probably disagree with you considering how they are going to be paying for the funerals of their sons, fathers and husbands out of their own pocket due to the fact that the death benefits aren't going to be paid. And in the next week thousands of veterans will definitely disagree with you when their benefits don't come in. Of course you don't give a shit about any of them.
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Ad hominems aside, what you describe about benefits is consistent with what I said - only the parts of government that will most directly inconvenience/harm the general public are being shut down, but rest assured that Camp David is still up and running in case the president decides he needs to get away and de-stress. As for the monuments, there is a municipal police department, you know. A federal shutdown doesn't affect that. But did you know in previous shutdowns, those monuments were left operating too? As was said previously, they're expending MORE resources barricading them off than they were running them normally.
 
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Dubyamn

GasBandit said:
Ad hominems aside, what you describe about benefits is consistent with what I said - only the parts of government that will most directly inconvenience/harm the general public are being shut down, but rest assured that Camp David is still up and running in case the president decides he needs to get away and de-stress. As for the monuments, there is a municipal police department, you know. A federal shutdown doesn't affect that. But did you know in previous shutdowns, those monuments were left operating too? As was said previously, they're expending MORE resources barricading them off than they were running them normally.
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Going to need evidence for the monuments being left open cause all I've been able to find is pictures from 1995 where the lincoln memorial was barricaded and shut down or references to all monuments and museums being closed in 1990. And no I don't think that a municipal police department can be depended on to protect our national heritage.

Camp David is probably mandatory spending which is not effected same way that Social Security checks'll still be going out, Medicare is still going out and Obamacare is going into effect. It's insane and shitty but not evidence of some conspiracy. The shutdown only effects discretionary spending.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Dubyamn said:
Going to need evidence for the monuments being left open cause all I've been able to find is pictures from 1995 where the lincoln memorial was barricaded and shut down or references to all monuments and museums being closed in 1990. And no I don't think that a municipal police department can be depended on to protect our national heritage.

Camp David is probably mandatory spending which is not effected same way that Social Security checks'll still be going out, Medicare is still going out and Obamacare is going into effect. It's insane and shitty but not evidence of some conspiracy. The shutdown only effects discretionary spending.
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Conspiracy is too grand a term - simply illustration of misplaced priorities and unstatesmanlike motivations.

The services booth was closed at the lincoln memorial in 1995, but the memorial itself was left accessible, unlike this time.
 
Covar

Covar

Thank god for barricades and the federal government! Without it the peasants would reduce the Lincoln Memorial, turning it to a pile of rubble and graffiti. No mere municpal law enforcement (ugh just saying the words makes me sick) could ever hope to keep us safe from the unwashed riff-raff who wait for the slightest chance of anarchy, chaos, and rioting. Praise be to the government for keeping our royal treasures out of reach of the common people.

Now if you'll excuse me I have state property to vandalize, because believe it or not there's not a single federal employee protecting it.
 
Krisken

Krisken

In July the Lincoln Memorial was vandalized with graffiti. Even with guards, someone got in and messed it up. So yeah, I can understand keeping people out when there are even less people to watch over the place.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Dubyamn

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Well, I'm not sure how to reconcile this - Mercury news has both your photo and mine in a slideshow - the barricades dated nov 15th-



But yet also the one with tourists inside with the info booth closed, dated nov 16th.



It also has this one showing the Washington Monument operating on Nov 10th.

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Yeah that's my problem. I mean I can think of any number of ways those pictures came into being within the same shutdown. But they add enough ambiguity that I don't trust the first article you posted.
 
Espy

Espy

Last I heard Obama orchestrated this so that he could bring in the UN Army to take over America and then institute Sharia Law and force us to be muslims.

I can't verify that but, you know, sounds legit.
 
strawman

strawman

Keep in mind that the last shutdown was before 9/11 and the government is all the more careful about letting anyone have access to places where the public gathers without careful scrutiny.

Still, some of the enforced shutdowns are hilariously inappropriate.
 
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