Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

Would you believe that I think both are equally likely? The NSA does have a nasty tendency to lie to those who try to curtail it's efforts and the Obama whitehouse seems pretty good at ignoring things they don't want to see.
My guess is this is most likely what happened. They probably asked for overly broad authorization using something else as the reasoning for it, and Obama didn't question it.
 
Odd how she can make a claim about Issa demanding Holder's resignation when Issa isn't mentioned once in the article.
From your own article:

Conservatives have pummeled the Obama administration, and especially Holder, for more than a year. "Who authorized this program that was so felony stupid that it got people killed?" Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, demanded to know in a hearing in June 2011. He has charged the Justice Department, which oversees the ATF, with having "blood on their hands." Issa and more than 100 other Republican members of Congress have demanded Holder's resignation.
But you're right, Issa isn't mentioned once...there's about 20 other mentions in there as well, that's just the one most related to Watkins' claim.

Seriously, @GasBandit, for someone who likes to argue... A LOT, how could you miss that?
 

GasBandit

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Seriously, @GasBandit, for someone who likes to argue... A LOT, how could you miss that?
I felt the more pertinent point was the impugning of the point based on source material, and didn't really bother with what was, after all, a nitpick.

Selective reading.
Selective reading against my own rhetorical favor?

(I will admit that sometimes I do leave stuff out/weaken my own case just for the sake of prolonging an argument but this is not one of those times).
 
From your own article:



But you're right, Issa isn't mentioned once...there's about 20 other mentions in there as well, that's just the one most related to Watkins' claim.

Seriously, @GasBandit, for someone who likes to argue... A LOT, how could you miss that?

Yeesh my bad on that one. I hadn't read the article for awhile so I just ctrl Fed it and "Issa" got nothing.
 
Greenpeace activist wants out.

The Sydney Morning Herald said:
Jailed activist tells of life in cold cell

She spends 23 hours a day in a draughty Russian prison cell, with Arctic blizzards blowing outside, and is allowed to walk outside in "an outdoor chicken pen" for just an hour a day.

Greenpeace activist Alexandra Harris, a 27-year-old permanent Australian resident and British citizen, has written to her Sydney manager James Lorenz to describe how she passes the time dreaming of running into her family's arms.

Ms Harris, from Manly, was in a group of 30 - comprising 28 Greenpeace activists, a freelance photographer and a videographer - charged with piracy by Russian authorities after they tried to scale a state-owned oil platform in a protest against drilling in the Arctic last month.

In a letter written on October 10, a week before she appeared in court and her bid for bail was denied, Ms Harris told Mr Lorenz she had begun to pray. "I honestly believed I'd be out of prison by now," she said. "I'm slowly coming to terms with the prospect of spending two months here. But it's not knowing what will happen after that that I find really hard. I prayed for the first time in my life the other day. I prayed for freedom and courage."

In a separate letter to her family published in Britain's Guardian newspaper, Ms Harris said she feared spending winter in the prison, which is inside the Arctic circle. Daily average temperatures for October range from minus six degrees to one degree. "It's very cold now," she wrote. "It snowed last night. The blizzard blew my very poorly insulated window open and I had to sleep wearing my hat. I'm nervous about spending winter here. I have a radiator in my cell but it's the Arctic breeze that makes the place very cold."
I must say I'm having a hard time sympathising with her situation. She came from a very tolerant and lenient place, and had a rude run-in with the real world where actions have consequences. Now she's in over her head, and wants mommy.

How I guess this will play out is that the Russian authorities will go thourgh the motions, after which she will be pardoned and sent home with a warning never to come back. At which point she'll be hailed a hero by Greenpeace, and will go back to her old tricks, having learned nothing.
 
I don't understand the charge of piracy... That sounds pretty trumped up to me.
Possibly it was, and they dropped it and replaced it with charges of hooliganism. And Putin commented early on after the event that it obviously was not a case of real piracy.

I don't know how Russian law defines piracy. But if it goes something along the lines of "boarding a maritime vessel at sea in an attempt to unlawfully gain control of it" or some such, I can see how Greenpeace activities might occasionally be somewhat in the same ballpark.
 

GasBandit

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I don't understand the charge of piracy... That sounds pretty trumped up to me.
It's fucking Russia, of course it is. Still lands her ass in the gulag till her digits freeze off. This is the same flavor of stupid as "hiking" in Iran/North Korea. You want challenging terrain? Go to west Colorado. At least there, you won't run into corrupt anti-western regimes and James Bond villains. You want to protest drilling? Maybe do it from a little bit more safety than trying to board a Russian vessel.
 
This means large phone and cable companies will be able to “shakedown” startups and established companies in every sector, requiring payment for reliable service. In fact, during the oral argument in the current case, Verizon’s lawyer said, “I’m authorized to state from my client today that [if it wasn't for] these [FCC] rules we would be exploring those types of arrangements.”
Fuck.

I mean, it's possible that another service will rise to replace it, or that the Internet itself will be segregated into slices (sort of like the breakup of AT&T way back when), but I'm not particularly sanguine about the possibility. VPNs won't be the answer, either, since the telecoms can easily just say, "Slow any traffic we can't decrypt to a crawl." Dark fiber may be the only alternative, and there really isn't anyone with enough money to take that over except possible Apple or Google, and I'm not sure how they would decide to run their own private network.

Ugh.

--Patrick
 
We might be about to witness the death of the internet as we know it - it looks like the DC Circuit court is going to rule in favor of the telcoms and end net neutrality. It was nice annoying you guys.
Good. I hate to say it, but I want this to happen, so that these ISPs can get sued for anti-competitive practices. Many of these ISPs have blatant conflicts of interest and I think the only way we're going to get to a utility status of bandwidth is to have something drastic take place.
 
Good. I hate to say it, but I want this to happen, so that these ISPs can get sued for anti-competitive practices. Many of these ISPs have blatant conflicts of interest and I think the only way we're going to get to a utility status of bandwidth is to have something drastic take place.
This really sounds like the only result of the ruling. All it's going to take is for a class action suit of a couple hundred websites going up against Comcast to nip this shit in the bud.
 

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Republicans lose another election thanks to Libertarians! EAT IT REPUBLICANS. MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO GOLDWATER ALL THOSE YEARS AGO. EHH? EHHH?

 
Fun fact though- Obama backers bankrolled Sarvis' campaign.
Of course. Enemy of my enemy and all that. Recently had a smallish scandal here because pictures of a frontman of the center-right nationalist party surfaced - 12 years ago, when he wasn't active in national politics, he gave a speech to a bunch of people who fought on the Eastern Front (note for the non-historically inclined: the Germans in WWII had a spot of trouble with the Russians, so the Belgian government and the Catholic Church were used to pressure simple minded folks to go over there and "defend the West against communism". When they got back, they were considered collaborators and many were imprisoned, many of them lost their civil rights etc. Some were definitely would-be nazis, most were of the "too simple to realise the priest wasn't speaking the word of God" peasant variety), trying to convince them to return to the non-extremist right.
The people who released the pictures? A group so far beyond extreme right even our political parties who've been convicted for racism and bigotry think they're "wrong", since they still use the Swastika as their badge. They got these pictures to a liberal politician who was all too happy to use them to damage the center-right politician.
 

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We spend $500 per second on this ridiculous "War on Drugs." All to little-to-no avail. With countless instances of rights being violated and non-dangerous "criminals" being put in prison where they are reforged into dangerous criminals. It's long past time to re-acknowledge the lessons we learned 80 years ago during prohibition and call the darn thing off.
 
Colonoscopy's. And enemas. Many, many enemas. Oh, and not free, he's being charged for those services.

UPDATE: Eckert's lawsuit. And yes: they are trying to bill him for medical services rendered. From the suit: "Defendant Gila Regional has billed Plaintiff for the “services” it provided at the request of law enforcement....Plaintiff still receives medical bills for thousands of dollars for these illegal, invasive and painful medical procedures."
 
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