[Movies] Star Wars: Episode VII

To be honest... I'm not looking forward to any manner of Star Wars movies ever again. After taking a few interested looks into Wookieepedia after reading names of minor characters in Darths & Droids, it just feels completely idiotic how every - single - character to appear on the silver screen has page after page of backstory with links to locations and races and religions and what he bloody fuck else. The original trilogy worked on its own, but with the new trilogy and later with the Clone Wars series the backstory keeps getting filled, leaving even less and less room for any sort of imagination. The galaxy is getting cluttered to the point where the idea of even trying, say, a Star Wars RPG game would be doomed the second there's someone in the group who has immersed themselves in the Expanded Universe.

But what do I know? As long as nerds, geeks and fans like us keep throwing money at Star Wars, they'll keep making Star Wars movies.
I've never really had difficulty with this. I still find plenty of room, and when I can't I tell people "fuck it. It's my game. Enjoy it or leave."[DOUBLEPOST=1384227899,1384227843][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'm sure there will be a fan edit after Episode VII comes out that has the Fox fanfare playing over the Disney logo.
I hope the Cinderella's Castle logo appears with a lightsaber sound effect.
 
Not every story needs one, but a Star Wars story could probably use a central focus.
Yeah, that's true.

I'm mostly annoyed by the Hobbit feeling the need to have the same villain for all 3 films (and not making it the son either, the parallels with Thorin would have made it more interesting imo).
 
Yeah, that's true.

I'm mostly annoyed by the Hobbit feeling the need to have the same villain for all 3 films (and not making it the son either, the parallels with Thorin would have made it more interesting imo).
Agreed. They have three main villains, the orc guy, Smaug, and the Necromancer. No reason to keep stringing them all through each movie. I guess Peter Jackson felt the goblin army needed a face.
 
I guess Peter Jackson felt the goblin army needed a face.

Well the way i see it they could have easily just have the backstory of Thorin killing (or maiming if they really wanted to keep him) the white orc, and show his sone once looking pissed, then at Goblin Town they could show the Goblin King send a message to Bolg (or Azog if they really wanted the bad guy to be a white orc) about selling the dwarves to him, and at the end of the film they could show Bolg (or Azog) getting the message.
 
They are basically picking and choosing what will be included in the new EU... it's not ALL being thrown out. The Old Republic stuff is probably in, as it's a cash cow and takes place long before any of the movies. Admiral Thrawn might make the cut too. But anything AFTER the movies is probably completely gone because they don't want to be hamstringed by writers from 30 years ago.

This is both expected and acceptable.
 
I'm not surprised at all, really. There's so much meat to the EU that there's no real way to convey it to movies and the like. I don't mind it, personally, but I'm sure there's plenty of people sad to see some characters potentially disappear.
 
On the bright side, this means Chewbacca never died.

... That better not be one of the parts they keep.
 
On the bright side, this means Chewbacca never died.

... That better not be one of the parts they keep.
That's awesome, but then again, not many people go out in a bigger blaze of glory. Dude got crushed between a planet and its moon to save his friends or something like that.

Hardcore.
 

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Good. Thrawn was irritating. Cortisis was stupid. Force suppressing animals were silly. Zahn focused too much on the how and not enough on the what and why. If I want the how, I'll read the databank.
 
In the only EU book I read, back when I was 9 or 10, a governor bet his position in a card game with Jabba the Hutt's dad, lost because the card's had special ultraviolet marks that only space slugs can see, and in passing his role of elected official over to a non-elected individual, somehow this put Leia's life in danger because Jabba's daddy wanted revenge.

I didn't read any more EU books.

EDIT: And don't recommend any; I don't care.
 
In the only EU book I read, back when I was 9 or 10, a governor bet his position in a card game with Jabba the Hutt's dad, lost because the card's had special ultraviolet marks that only space slugs can see, and in passing his role of elected official over to a non-elected individual, somehow this put Leia's life in danger because Jabba's daddy wanted revenge.

I didn't read any more EU books.
Oh man, the Jedi Prince series, I remember that. That was...a thing alright.
 
To be honest, I feel greater "brand loyalty" towards the current EU than I do towards whatever JJ and LucasArts are planning. While this news may be unsurprising, it still reduces my interest in Episode 7.
 
I think it's far wiser to not force the filmmakers to be tied to 20 years of books. Besides, you still have the books, allow someone else a chance to play in the sandbox.
 
I think it's far wiser to not force the filmmakers to be tied to 20 years of books. Besides, you still have the books, allow someone else a chance to play in the sandbox.
Plenty of people have played in the sandbox without knocking what everyone else did down. There being restrictions on what you can do is generally the cost of playing a shared "sandbox" (as a tradeoff for the benefit, which is that you have everything else everyone built to play with as well), if you don't want that, you can make your own sandbox. Yes there's a practical benefit for the filmmakers to be able to do whatever they want, but that doesn't change that there's a loss there for those who liked the old sandbox.
 
Plenty of people have played in the sandbox without knocking what everyone else did down. There being restrictions on what you can do is generally the cost of playing a shared "sandbox" (as a tradeoff for the benefit, which is that you have everything else everyone built to play with as well), if you don't want that, you can make your own sandbox. Yes there's a practical benefit for the filmmakers to be able to do whatever they want, but that doesn't change that there's a loss there for those who liked the old sandbox.
No, they haven't. As awesome as novels based on a film franchise are it's a different world (or sandbox if we want to continue down that analogy). People don't just "get" to play in the film sandbox of Star Wars. It's cool of Lucas to have allowed so many books and comics but in the end I'm sure that they were low financial risks (unlike film), reached far less people than the films and nothing he ever felt like he had to follow if he didn't want to.

And sorry, but the view that a bazillion dollar franchise should either follow the non-film material or else "make their own sandbox" is just… not realistic for so many reasons, least of all that fans don't get to make the rules. I mean look, I get that people have a strong nostalgic value to many, but thats not enough when a bazillion dollar franchise is on the line. Keep in mind, this is part of a FILM SERIES, not a series of films made from books a'la Harry Potter. There's just zero reason for the people in charge to feel they must follow the novels. Would it be nice? Maybe, but in the end (and I think this is something our current geek/nerd culture really needs to get a grip on) the existence of one thing does not negate the value of the other. Enjoy the books for what they are. Enjoy the movies for what they are. In the end, it will be ok. Maybe not what a group of fans prefer, but thats ok, the thing you love will still be there and probably better than any translation to a new medium would be.
 
but that doesn't change that there's a loss there for those who liked the old sandbox.
How is there a loss? Those stories still exist, you don't lose the enjoyment that those stories have brought. I would have liked some of the stuff from the EU to show on screen, because I would love to see what somebody else has imagined for the visual that I have created in my head.

I think that this is hitting some of the same problems that we saw with Eps 1-3, people already had ideas of what "should" happen, instead of what the films are going to say "did" happen. Throughout Lucasfilm/LucasArts and all the peripheral material stuff that has been released over more than 35 years, very little has been made canon that didn't appear in the films first.
 
No, they haven't. As awesome as novels based on a film franchise are it's a different world (or sandbox if we want to continue down that analogy). People don't just "get" to play in the film sandbox of Star Wars. It's cool of Lucas to have allowed so many books and comics but in the end I'm sure that they were low financial risks (unlike film), reached far less people than the films and nothing he ever felt like he had to follow if he didn't want to.
Oh, now we're restricting the "sandbox" analogy to just refer to film, rather than the whole universe? Because up until now, they were the same thing.

And sorry, but the view that a bazillion dollar franchise should either follow the non-film material or else "make their own sandbox" is just… not realistic for so many reasons, least of all that fans don't get to make the rules. I mean look, I get that people have a strong nostalgic value to many, but thats not enough when a bazillion dollar franchise is on the line. Keep in mind, this is part of a FILM SERIES, not a series of films made from books a'la Harry Potter. There's just zero reason for the people in charge to feel they must follow the novels. Would it be nice? Maybe, but in the end (and I think this is something our current geek/nerd culture really needs to get a grip on) the existence of one thing does not negate the value of the other. Enjoy the books for what they are. Enjoy the movies for what they are. In the end, it will be ok. Maybe not what a group of fans prefer, but thats ok, the thing you love will still be there and probably better than any translation to a new medium would be.
Having respect to the work of everyone who's contributed to the universe so far is a reason. But you're right, that they don't have to do so. Of course, going along that route, they don't have to make "good" movies either, the success of the prequels and movies like those of Micheal Bay have demonstrated that they can make high style, low substance, poorly acted CGI-fests and make money, but I would prefer they don't do that either. Marvel didn't have to take a long term plan of tying together their movies, risking turning viewers off because of too much reliance on other movies, they could have instead focused on more individual movies like what DC did, but I'm glad they did, it paid of.

How is there a loss? Those stories still exist, you don't lose the enjoyment that those stories have brought. I would have liked some of the stuff from the EU to show on screen, because I would love to see what somebody else has imagined for the visual that I have created in my head.

I think that this is hitting some of the same problems that we saw with Eps 1-3, people already had ideas of what "should" happen, instead of what the films are going to say "did" happen. Throughout Lucasfilm/LucasArts and all the peripheral material stuff that has been released over more than 35 years, very little has been made canon that didn't appear in the films first.
It's a loss because some of the the things we like aren't going to be part of the universe anymore, they're not going to be involved in future stories. It's a loss because the material coming out that's labeled "Star Wars" isn't the same as what certain people liked before. I mean, Spider-man's "One More Day" story arc didn't make the years of comics that they retconned not exist anymore in the real world, but to the readers who liked developments from that time period, the continuing comic just isn't telling the same stories that it was prior to that event.

Did Lucas already have a outline or something for 7-9?
Allegedly he had some film treatments that were given to Disney.
 
Well, I guess they aren't anymore.
Yep, and my only point was that sort reductionist approach to the universe to appeal to the lowest common denominator is disappointing for some fans. It doesn't matter to you, and that's fine, it's a matter of subjective preferences after all, but there's nothing wrong with others preferring that things would be done another way.
 
Reverent: those film treatments that you mention most probably do not fit with all of the EU. So if there were ever going to be more movies I guess they wouldn't have agreed with it in any case.


I understand the disappointment though. To you star wars is the whole universe, and this is like if they did a spiderman movie with a wildly different origin and original villains, in some ways?

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