All of box office is driven by the first weekend, Captain America opening on its ~5th week won't really matter at all
[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.
Fifth week? Are you drunk again? May 6 would be the the week after the last week of April.[DOUBLEPOST=1394758708,1394758655][/DOUBLEPOST]
It's worse than that. It's a Batman/SUPERMAN movie being afraid of Captain America.
Whoops, my bad. It was the end of April. And I meant the last week. Yeah, that's my fault.
Marvel is essentially dictating the super hero genre at this point with marvelous skill. Batman has run it's course and needs a reboot. Superman has already be rebooted twice and not to the reception they had desired. Lets not mention the other movie. Where as Marvel has systematically put out movies that have all worked together and build towards greater brand recognition and acceptance, resulting in the largest opening weekend box office in history. Batman vs Superman has already run away from one Marvel movie, can they survive if they dare to move it again?
Superman Returns wasn't a reboot.
Well, it sort of was. It was a soft reboot, like the second Hulk movie. New actors, but same universe.
Best thing DC could do right now? Drag their fucking ass out of the Dark Age of Comic books, start a DC specific studio for DC properties, staffed with comic book people, and basically cut Warner Bros. executives out of the process. It's working great with Marvel over at Disney.
Eh. Wait a few more years, till the DC comics movies have passed, find a new mood or direction to take them in, and make a reboot of the entire universe. And if you want to make more than just one hero's story, don't start with Batman or Superman - they're too well known and "boring" now. Make something more unexpected.
I've already listed several hit movies they could do. The only thing that is keeping them from cashing in on their properties is the ineptitude of the people running them. This is especially obvious in their handling of their television properties.
- Batman: The Brave and the Bold was axed for a new Batman show inspired by the Batman Begins trilogy, except...
- They axed Beware the Batman when it was JUST getting good. The only blu-ray for the show has two unaired episodes, the show stopped being shown in... November, and it's absent from the CN schedule for the year.
- Green Lantern got the ax right after an AMAZING season. The show was basically The Clone Wars for DC animation at this point. Had great ratings.
- Young Justice was cancelled after the toys didn't sell, despite impressive ratings.
- Somehow Arrow is getting more seasons despite being generally reviled for being dumb and nothing like the character from the comics.
Flash, Gotham, and Constantine are getting shows so that's something but I'd prefer animated versions of all three. Why isn't Gotham or Constantine a 6-10 episode gritty drama on Toonami? You'd make bank on that. Instead we're getting Arrow lookalikes and Constantine will probably be a rip-off of Supernatural (which would be great, except Supernatural is getting more seasons AND a spin-off). It's like... the people at Warner Bros don't know what they have. Disney is making SO MUCH FUCKING MONEY by letting comic book stuff BE comic book stuff. Shield is slowly getting good. Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spiderman, and Agents of SMASH are great (especially since ALL THREE SHARE VOICE ACTORS AND A UNIVERSE).
I just... why hasn't WB fired every executive in charge of these properties and hired comic book fans for the roles? At least they would have faith in the franchise.
- Batman: The Brave and the Bold was axed for a new Batman show inspired by the Batman Begins trilogy, except...
- They axed Beware the Batman when it was JUST getting good. The only blu-ray for the show has two unaired episodes, the show stopped being shown in... November, and it's absent from the CN schedule for the year.
- Green Lantern got the ax right after an AMAZING season. The show was basically The Clone Wars for DC animation at this point. Had great ratings.
- Young Justice was cancelled after the toys didn't sell, despite impressive ratings.
- Somehow Arrow is getting more seasons despite being generally reviled for being dumb and nothing like the character from the comics.
Flash, Gotham, and Constantine are getting shows so that's something but I'd prefer animated versions of all three. Why isn't Gotham or Constantine a 6-10 episode gritty drama on Toonami? You'd make bank on that. Instead we're getting Arrow lookalikes and Constantine will probably be a rip-off of Supernatural (which would be great, except Supernatural is getting more seasons AND a spin-off). It's like... the people at Warner Bros don't know what they have. Disney is making SO MUCH FUCKING MONEY by letting comic book stuff BE comic book stuff. Shield is slowly getting good. Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spiderman, and Agents of SMASH are great (especially since ALL THREE SHARE VOICE ACTORS AND A UNIVERSE).
I just... why hasn't WB fired every executive in charge of these properties and hired comic book fans for the roles? At least they would have faith in the franchise.
And the stuff that is/was good ether got dropped or wouldn't work as TV show/movie. So no All Star Western starring Jonah Hex or Demon Knights.
Hey, they could bring back Batman Beyond. The comic is pretty good, still ongoing, and they are already talking about making it the next Batman movie...
I'd be happy with Suicide Squad, but only if we get fat Amanda Waller.
Can't really think of anything else.
....Wonder Woman?
Seriously, this is my biggest gripe with DC's decisions (besides Batman fatigue). They're sitting on one of the biggest and most influential figures in comics, and with a little effort, they could probably bring in a new audience of girls who think comics and superheroes "are for boys", in addition to the current comic fans. To to mention they'd beat Marvel/Disney in the one place they haven't explored: for all the Black Widows and Sifs and X-Women, NONE of them have lead they're own movie or cartoon yet. But frankly, I'd still trust Disney to do it first, because Warner Bros., as told by Paul Dini, has gone on record saying there's no value in a "girl audience"
This is the point, but with a twist. As I've stated before, I think the reason the MCU is working as well as it is is that they have people who know how to update a story without making the mistake that "for adults" = "gritty". I think I fall into the majority of people who read a select few comics if any, and when I try to read some of the source material for, let's say, Iron Man, I'm struck by just how silly it seems. The mastery at Marvel is that they continue to work that stuff in somehow (Cap's stage costume is a brilliant example) without making the whole thing campy OR overly serious. DC needs to find someone who understands that balance.
One of the reasons I think Iron Man did so well was due to the fact it was "fun". RDJ brought a pretty sarcastic wit to the character that made him an endearing asshole. Every movie after has been trying to keep up that mix of action, comedy, and drama rather then choosing a single option and just going with it.
One minute we have Iron Man trapped in a cave with a damaged heart (drama), then we have him escaping with flamethrowers (action), then we have him flying into walls and getting sprayed in the face by his fire extinguisher robot (comedy). And it all fits together like, well, a comic book. The first Thor movie has Jane run him over twice after presenting him as an utter badass in the first quarter. Captain America has his whole stage arc. The Avengers threw in tons of witty little jokes that flowed together with the action, like the part where Loki gets hulk smashed which added a great chuckle to an otherwise serious climax.
This is one of the reasons I didn't really like The Dark Knight Rises, it took the grimdark established in the other movies and just kind of took it to eleven with terrorist cells, revenge plots, nuke threats, etc... It also took one of my favorite parts of the last movie and threw it out in favor of a bleaker setting.
One minute we have Iron Man trapped in a cave with a damaged heart (drama), then we have him escaping with flamethrowers (action), then we have him flying into walls and getting sprayed in the face by his fire extinguisher robot (comedy). And it all fits together like, well, a comic book. The first Thor movie has Jane run him over twice after presenting him as an utter badass in the first quarter. Captain America has his whole stage arc. The Avengers threw in tons of witty little jokes that flowed together with the action, like the part where Loki gets hulk smashed which added a great chuckle to an otherwise serious climax.
This is one of the reasons I didn't really like The Dark Knight Rises, it took the grimdark established in the other movies and just kind of took it to eleven with terrorist cells, revenge plots, nuke threats, etc... It also took one of my favorite parts of the last movie and threw it out in favor of a bleaker setting.
No, Adult Swim . . . maybe. Toonami, just friggin' no.
Yeah, if they wanted to go totally ballsy (no pun intended), they'd start the JLA franchise with Wonder Woman. I've said it a million times, but they could've easily fleshed out Gail Simone's script from the animated movie some years back and made it into a live action film.
You know, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine the other day about Marvel female heroes. While they have a number of strong female characters, there are few that really have a deep enough mythology, own villains, or supporting cast to support their own solo book or movie. Most of them are related first with teams, such as any of the X-Women, the Avengers, etc. None of them are really iconic on their own. DC, on the other hand, has Wonder Woman, Black Canary (or just Birds of Prey in general), Zatanna. Even Batgirl, Batwoman, and Supergirl, while related with the character they spun off from have enough they could support their own solo books or even movie. In most cases, you can even name some key villains for each of them.
Marvel women...don't really have that. They're all primarily team players.
Guys, as long as the NU52 regime is in power at DC their stuff; movies and comics, is going to suffer. I think the best point to make is that Marvel is fun and DC is grim at this point in time and until things shift in the company as a whole we are going to continue to get sub-par versions of all these iconic heroes.
Yeah, that's very true. Off the top of my head, She-Hulk is the first I think of for carrying her own title, and a lot of the others occasionally got mini-series. Even poor Shulkie is a derivative of the Hulk. I think in the hands of a decent writer, they could make some interesting solo projects for Marvel. There are some great women writers our there, and there are guys like Neil Gaiman and Terry Moore who write amazing female characters. It can be done, but the old myth that "women don't read comics/aren't interested in superheroes/etc" is hard to kill.
On Wonder Woman - Yeah, this could work, but only if they aren't afraid to have her utterly dominating the mooks in her movies. I want to see her just manhandling dudes... breaking arms, using a sword, cracking skull... she needs to be the "overt" force that nether Batman or Superman are.
When Superman shows up, the normal bad guys give up because they can't do shit.
When Batman shows up, they know they are going to get their asses kicked... hard.
But when Wonder Woman shows up? I want them to be praying they will live through the night.
On Constantine - @Tiger Tsang, I'd put it at like 11:00, 11:30 on saturday. It's not a Comedy so it needs to be on the Action Block. Putting it with the Comedy shows may give it better lead-ins but you don't stick Comedys and Action shows on the same block.
On Marvel Women - She-Hulk would be fun, but I'd be afraid they'd turn it into something stupid. X-52 might be a good choice if they ever got the rights to mutants back. Runaways would be excellent too... main cast has like 4 women.
When Superman shows up, the normal bad guys give up because they can't do shit.
When Batman shows up, they know they are going to get their asses kicked... hard.
But when Wonder Woman shows up? I want them to be praying they will live through the night.
On Constantine - @Tiger Tsang, I'd put it at like 11:00, 11:30 on saturday. It's not a Comedy so it needs to be on the Action Block. Putting it with the Comedy shows may give it better lead-ins but you don't stick Comedys and Action shows on the same block.
On Marvel Women - She-Hulk would be fun, but I'd be afraid they'd turn it into something stupid. X-52 might be a good choice if they ever got the rights to mutants back. Runaways would be excellent too... main cast has like 4 women.
Aquaman? Honestly I think they may be better off forgetting about reasonably well known superheroes & just trying to find one that can hit the same sort of action / comedy tone of IM1. Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle maybe?
Or if they must go for the name recognition the Birds of Prey & focus most of the advertising on Barbara Gordon.
I think a Booster Gold movie would only work if he had Ted Kord Blue Beetle with him. They have such a great chemistry that it would be the perfect action comedy movie.
Necronic
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I know it's not DC but it could be cool if they did it the way they ran Supreme Powers, just had her as this aloof goddess who kills for fun
Then that's no longer Wonder Woman.
The point of the character is that she wants to delegate peace and bring the message to the human world...except she's also trained as a warrior. She's not one for brutality, but certainly knows how to take out entire armies, usually with their own ordinance. For example, watch her in the Justice League cartoon. Nine times out of ten, she's the one doing the most damage when they fight armies, like Darkseid's parademons or WWII. Being a warrior, though, she's also not afraid to kill, but ONLY when necessary. Not just for shits and giggles. She still carries that same care for life that her compatriots have, but she's also willing to take someone out, only if it's completely and absolutely necessary. If she were in Superman's shoes in Man of Steel, it wouldn't be out of character.
In a lot of ways, she's the League's answer both to Captain America in terms of being a solider...and The Hulk in terms of taking out armies. Unlike Hulk, though, she does it with such finesse that it leaves everyone on both sides in complete awe of her. She's not just a woman. She's a WONDER of a woman.
