[News] -1 Faith in Humanity

Emrys

Emrys

filmfanatic said:
Fun fact: there is such a thing that's essentially a dire corgi. It's a Swedish vallhund and it was also a favored dog for Vikings. The breed is still around, by the way.
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I've seen pictures of it. Too cute for words!

But dire ferrets are cuter. :D
 
Officer_Charon

Officer_Charon

Charlie Don't Surf said:
also when an actual police officer says it, it's terrifying since the police can beat the shit out of / kill whoever they want and seldom face consequences other than "administrative leave"
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Not. Even. Remotely. This single sentence is perhaps the grossest oozing of drivel that you have ever let slip from your mind, through your fingers, and unto the aether.

Charlie, I don't have a problem with you as a poster. While I find your position on many things execrable, your arguments supporting your position are very often well thought out.

Your sheer ignorance here, however, goes beyond the pale. Try going on a police ride-along sometime in an urban area, where crime is high - not some well-to-do suburban utopia. See what the scumbags do when they think they can get away with it.

I'm out of this topic. I regret responding to the bait in the first place. Enjoy your pillar of self-righteousness.
 
sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I saw a dire Corgi at the dog park this week. It was half pit bull. It was like the doberman chihuahua mix from the super bowl.

It had to be one of the meanest damn dogs that I have ever seen.

Yellow and white like a Corgi, but slick coat like a pit.

Pit Bull head, Corgi legs. Heavily Muscled. And that is coming from me, who owns a ripped dog.

bossy behavior like a Corgi, but the strength to kill any dog there.
 
Krisken

Krisken

Ok, now when you can prove that is representative of police officers as a whole, then you'll start convincing us. Right now, though, you look like a cherry picking twat.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

I didn't say "every policeman is a murderer", I said they can get away with murder / assault on suspects, then showed an example of them getting away with murder.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Charlie Don't Surf said:
I didn't say "every policeman is a murderer", I said they can get away with murder / assault on suspects, then showed an example of them getting away with murder.
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It's not just the Police, Charlie. Anyone can get away with murder with luck and/or proper planning. The thing about "murder" is that it requires a preponderance of evidence for a conviction, which is why many people "get away" with murder...but then get hit with crushing civil penalties for a "wrongful death" claim because the standards for conviction are different. In the case of a homeless person, however, there may not be anyone willing or able to make that second claim.

--Patrick
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

PatrThom said:
It's not just the Police, Charlie. Anyone can get away with murder with luck and/or proper planning. The thing about "murder" is that it requires a preponderance of evidence for a conviction, which is why many people "get away" with murder...but then get hit with crushing civil penalties for a "wrongful death" claim because the standards for conviction are different. In the case of a homeless person, however, there may not be anyone willing or able to make that second claim.

--Patrick
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all of these words mean absolutely nothing
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Charlie Don't Surf said:
all of these words mean absolutely nothing
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They're supposed to convey an idea to you through a process called "communication." If I somehow chose words which did not produce this result, then I apologize.

Also, you probably shouldn't try to ever become a lawyer.

--Patrick
 
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Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

It's a process with you @Charlie Don't Surf , but it's not hard to read between the lines. Here we go.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/c...off-during-stop-and-frisk.30105/#post-1103964
Here you posted about how cops will cover for each other, even when they do something wrong. So therefore are corrupt.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/c...off-during-stop-and-frisk.30105/#post-1103960
Same thread, calling the police monsters.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/s...-upon-arrest-keep-forever.29421/#post-1054856
Here's one where you claim the police are power hungry.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/e...is-waging-war-on-the-lapd.29013/#post-1028048
Here you couldn't help mention the corruption of the LAPD.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/e...is-waging-war-on-the-lapd.29013/#post-1028013
Here you imply that if police officers didn't have more restraint, they would kill without abandon.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/n...ieving-mother-for-the-dent.28418/#post-989649
Here you make it clear that you don't imply that all officers are toxic, just the majority.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/n...ieving-mother-for-the-dent.28418/#post-989614
Here you mistakenly think that police officers arresting people = convictions that lead to the prison inflation system.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/we-might-need-a-shooting-prefix.28224/#post-978757
Here you post an article where corrupt officers shot multiple people.

https://www.halforums.com/threads/ban-every-gun.28031/page-11#post-973859
Here's another article you posted about corrupt officers shooting multiple people.

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FYI There are over 6 pages of posts from you with similar threads/meanings. I actually picked some of the tamer ones.

So let's see. Charlie believes that corrupt cops kill tons of people everyday. Charlie also believes that majority of police officers are corrupt. Therefore:
Charlie believes most police officers are murderers.

Anythingelse you'd like me to remind you of Charlie?
 
Frank

Frank

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Frank said:
For as much as you guys are piling on Charlie here again, if you think the blue shield doesn't exist, then I have some sweet moon mining rights up for grabs too.
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There's a difference between believing in it's existence and believing that it controls the world like a Shadow Government.
Also I was moving quickly to get as many quotes as possible, feel free to substitute that one for the 50+ in the search parameters.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Frank said:
if you think the blue shield doesn't exist, then I have some sweet moon mining rights up for grabs too.
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Not saying it doesn't, of course. We (Society) give the Boys In Blue a bit more leeway due to their position, and some of them lean on that leeway a little too hard. But much like the "all auto mechanics are crooks" mentality, and the "all doctors are rich" mentality, I'm sure reality is a lot further away from these public perceptions than it sounds.

--Patrick
 
Frank

Frank

PatrThom said:
Not saying it doesn't, of course. We (Society) give the Boys In Blue a bit more leeway due to their position, and some of them lean on that leeway a little too hard. But much like the "all auto mechanics are crooks" mentality, and the "all doctors are rich" mentality, I'm sure reality is a lot further away from these public perceptions than it sounds.

--Patrick
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When Chuck refers to THE POLICE he's referring to that protectionist/corruption culture in general (which exists, I know the RCMP higher ups are rife with this shit) and not to most of the every day folk. Even one of the quoted posts by Gil said as much.
 
Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Frank said:
When Chuck refers to THE POLICE he's referring to that protectionist/corruption culture in general (which exists, I know the RCMP higher ups are rife with this shit) and not to most of the every day folk. Even one of the quoted posts by Gil said as much.
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One, vs the 50+ where he's not. Nice cherry pick. He's not referring to the protectionist/corruption, he's talking about the majority.
 
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Necronic

Necronic

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I subscribe to two subreddits that are relevant here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Good_Cop_Free_Donut

If you're on reddit I would suggest subscribing to both of them. Sadly one gets a LOT more posts than the other. Thing is, I respect the hell out of cops. One of my groomsmen is a cop. And yeah, people recognize the bad shit they do WAY more than the good stuff. But....that's because their job is to do the good stuff and stop the bad stuff. When a cop is the one doing the bad stuff, it's not just that he's not doing his job, his doing the exact opposite of his job. Cops don't get a pat on their backs for not being corrupt dicks for the same reason I don't get a promotion for showing up to work on time. Because ITS THE BARE MINIMUM OF THEIR FUCKING JOB.

There are a lot of good cops out there, the vast majority. But there are some serious shit-heels out there, and because of the fucked up abomination of an afterbirth of a child that you get from the Blue Shield and unions, I don't know what you can do to fight those people other than have citizens that are willing to be VERY VOCAL about the bad ones. I'm sorry if we don't celebrate the good ones enough, we should, but at the end of the day I would rather be vocal about the bad apples and offend some good cops than say nothing and let them police themselves.
 
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Mathias

Mathias

Necronic said:
I subscribe to two subreddits that are relevant here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Good_Cop_Free_Donut

If you're on reddit I would suggest subscribing to both of them. Sadly one gets a LOT more posts than the other. Thing is, I respect the hell out of cops. One of my groomsmen is a cop. And yeah, people recognize the bad shit they do WAY more than the good stuff. But....that's because their job is to do the good stuff and stop the bad stuff. When a cop is the one doing the bad stuff, it's not just that he's not doing his job, his doing the exact opposite of his job. Cops don't get a pat on their backs for not being corrupt dicks for the same reason I don't get a promotion for showing up to work on time. Because ITS THE BARE MINIMUM OF THEIR FUCKING JOB.

There are a lot of good cops out there, the vast majority. But there are some serious shit-heels out there, and because of the fucked up abomination of an afterbirth of a child that you get from the Blue Shield and unions, I don't know what you can do to fight those people other than have citizens that are willing to be VERY VOCAL about the bad ones. I'm sorry if we don't celebrate the good ones enough, we should, but at the end of the day I would rather be vocal about the bad apples and offend some good cops than say nothing and let them police themselves.
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I've read that a big issue with cops is the almost prerequisite guarantee of ex military getting jobs over civilians. Marines in particular have a certain mindset of law and order that's ingrained in them. They are not afraid to kill; they've been in situations where they may have killed. Their idea of serve and protect may be more militant in ideal - like in listen to me or I'll give you a bad day sort of way.

Don't get me wrong, this kind of mentality is absolutely needed for military work, but oftentimes police forces don't require it and military folks tend to play that whole veteran club card during the hiring process. Bottomline is that one of the problems facing police forces might be that they're hiring Rottweilers and Dobermans when they need German Shepherds and Labradors.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Emrys said:
I think all three may be required.
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However, while I'd enjoy it, a .gif of an owl eating either a puppy or a hedgehog does not generally count as "cute".



On topic a) I hope those shitheads get some wrong chemicals mixed in their drugs and suffer a nice case of "shit my intestines are coming out both ways".
On topic b) I think it's perfectly normal and acceptable for people - including cops - to voice things they wouldn't do in real life. How many of us haven't at one time or another called out in traffic for the other driver to go drive off a cliff/drop dead/eat shit/whatever? It's only human to get frustrated, and to want to lash out. Bottling everything up, saying nothing, being calm until one day you explode and actually do something like that (take a gun to a cinema, mow down 10 pedestrians with your car, you name it) isn't healthy. Expressing and dealing with those frustrations - either by yelling or posting on the internet or drawing or making aggressive metal music or by punching that punching bag really hard - is a normal, necessary part of human nature. Trying to force everyone to "think right" doesn't even work in North Korea, let alone it'd work in the US of A.
On topic c) I still firmly believe Charlie has emotional issues. Seriously. Be it some mental disorder, or sexual confusion, or racial guilt, or survivor's guilt or whatnot, many of his "white knight" posts can be read as someone who can't/won't accept certain feelings of their own and desperately tries to prove those feelings are wrong/bad in others. Much like the most depraved became the inquisitors, the most active racist nutjobs tend to be have some color mixed in (in whatever direction they're racist), much like priests who seek celibacy because their feelings are "wrong" and unacceptable to themselves (...and then they fail and go for the choir boys), it's often people who have very high moral standards and fail to live up to them themselves who are the greatest fighters for whatever they want/feel themselves.
On topic d) I find it surprising, time and again, how Charlie can so actively and indiscriminately judge and sentence a group based on the actions of a few, a lack of knowledge, and prejudice. The way he acts towards/against police officers is the exact same way of thinking applied by racists towards their race of choice. It's sad to see he remains blind to this. Discrimination and prejudice aren't acceptable just because they're against a group that can easily be seen as privileged.
On topic e) I certainly don't hate Charlie. Sometimes I can get annoyed because he seems to deliberately misinterpret positions to fuel a fire - but so do Gasbandit, Jay, Chaz or Gilgamesh. Perhaps the most irritating is that he's usually on the right side of an argument, but pushes so hard and so far that other posters can't help but push back.
 
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