BananaHands
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That's Dirk but not Dirk.[DOUBLEPOST=1398716741,1398716710][/DOUBLEPOST]
Oh, yeah. They changed Dirk to Karl.
Or Owen from Torchwood.
THAT'S WHO HE FUCKING IS!
That was bothering me so much. I was like "I KNOW YOU! WHERE DO I KNOW YOU FROM?!"
That's funny, Martin. Can't wait for her to toss that back at you when you announce you've finally finished the sixth book in your series, 'cause she fucking finished hers.
That's definitely an interesting addition.
The article I read seemed to be confused about the Westeros economy though--the writer seemed to think the crown's bank and the Lannisters' are one and the same because of who is the king. Petyr Baelish never had control over the Lannisters' finances, only the crown's. So whomever is in charge of the Lannisters' funds would have also had to be borrowing from the same source.
Is this just the article writer being confused or did the show represent those funds to be one and the same? Because the latter would be stupid since Robert had been king and he was spending Targaryen coin, then borrowing from the Lannisters. To rack up Lannister debt, Tywin (or the Lannister accountant, whatever) would've had to be supplementing that also with borrowing. Whereas if the article writer is confused, I understand that, since a lot of people who only watch the show and write articles about it seem to be easily perplexed by what's going on.
The article I read seemed to be confused about the Westeros economy though--the writer seemed to think the crown's bank and the Lannisters' are one and the same because of who is the king. Petyr Baelish never had control over the Lannisters' finances, only the crown's. So whomever is in charge of the Lannisters' funds would have also had to be borrowing from the same source.
Is this just the article writer being confused or did the show represent those funds to be one and the same? Because the latter would be stupid since Robert had been king and he was spending Targaryen coin, then borrowing from the Lannisters. To rack up Lannister debt, Tywin (or the Lannister accountant, whatever) would've had to be supplementing that also with borrowing. Whereas if the article writer is confused, I understand that, since a lot of people who only watch the show and write articles about it seem to be easily perplexed by what's going on.
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This furthers my question. In the books, Lannister money and crown money are two separate things, because the Lannisters have not sat the throne for long. First Robert spent all of the Targaryen money, which shocks Ned Stark because he knew of the hoard kept my Aerys and his predecessors. When that was gone, Robert began borrowing from the Lannisters and the Iron Bank. So in the books, Lannisters remain rich while the crown is in debt and the Iron Bank wants its money.
Now the show is establishing that the Lannisters are broke as well. My guess is that the writers didn't want people asking "why doesn't Tywin just pay off the Iron Bank with Lannister money?" Now, in the books, there's reasoning to this ...
Book 3 spoiler, probably end of season 4 spoiler
While Tywin is alive, he wants the crown to build up income to pay for its own debts so it can pay off both Iron Bank and refill Lannister coffers. Tywin is dead before the Iron Bank becomes a major issue, and arguably the Iron Bank wouldn't have become an issue if Cersei hadn't been such an idiot in book 4. So, the money exists, but not the person who would make the decision, as Kevan Lannister would be in control of Lannister money at Tywin's death, not Cersei.
But since those circumstances don't yet exist, but they want to bring the borrowing up as an issue now, it makes sense for the Lannisters to be incapable of paying, as opposed to just deciding not to yet. And that's fine--the Lannisters can be in debt independently from the crown being in debt, so long as they're separate entities. Because if the show-runners try to say they're the same thing, it kind of busts the first season when Ned Stark tries to convince Robert that something's wrong with the Lannisters, and Robert tells him that he's deep in debt to Tywin Lannister. Tywin's not the sort to wipe that away any more than the Iron Bank. It's not like it's Baratheon money either--the crown has its own coffers and they are empty without borrowing.
Way I see it the Lannisters are paper rich. They have very little physical cash. But the crown owes them a lot of money. Now we learn that their primary industry has failed. So they are in it thick.
The crown is paper broke and lacks physical funds.
The Tyrells are sitting pretty with both cash, a good economy and are owed money by thecrown.
The crown is paper broke and lacks physical funds.
The Tyrells are sitting pretty with both cash, a good economy and are owed money by thecrown.
That makes sense. "We're rich because other people are in debt to us." That's great, but doesn't really help them in the short-term.
It's an interesting addition; I just wanted to check that the show-runners understood what they were introducing.
Isn't he like just a renamed Dirk?
You know, I'm expecting a lot of scenes of people talking and looking dour while beautiful people have hardcore sex in the background and a bunch of scenes of whatever forest people are traveling through while beautiful people have hardcore sex in the background. Of course then there will be the scenes where the iron born argue while beautiful people have hardcore sex in the background and lets not forget the steamy sex scenes we should be getting where beautiful people have hardcore sex in the foreground and other beautiful people have hardcore sex in the background.
For like, 3 seasons.
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Heh, you aint seen nothing yet...
I didn't really understand that point of that bit either. I can only assume they were prisoners, but I don't remember The Mountain being a grunting ogre, which is what this scene essentially reduced him too.
Book spoilers:
Book spoilers:
I see that the Hound finally got the wound that will kill him. Also, still wondering when Jorah is going to get sent away, since that ship should have sailed by now. Interesting that Brienne knows which Stark she is currently looking for instead of blindly assuming that her clues are leading her to Sansa, but it's a good change. I wonder if they are going to introduce zombie Caitlyn before the end of the season, since Brienne's timetable has been pushed up. I also find myself wondering what they are going to actually do for the next two seasons in regards to all of the plots that are getting time accelerated (Brienne, Daenarys, Bran, Sansa may end up getting a little ahead and there isn't much else there)
For all the unnecessary changes to the books, and all it's other faults and well deserved criticisms, this show is doing the relationships between Brienne and Pod and Arya and The Hound so well. Love it.
Episode 9 is usually the game changer/ biggest shock episode. I'm guessing this will either be Tyrion killing Tywin, or the battle at Castle Black. Episode 10 Usually has the supernatural cliffhanger, so I'm guessing that will be the reveal of Catelyn. Possibly with Brienne and Pod, even though it seems early to set up that cliffhanger already when its still not resolved in the books even. It just doesn't make sense to me for them to cut to some random Freys getting hung
I'm glad they expanded upon Arya and Sandor's adventures together. I know I'm not the only one who relishes each and every scene they have together.[DOUBLEPOST=1400519700,1400519552][/DOUBLEPOST]We have a 2 week wait for the next episode apparently. I don't remember HBO ever doing that before.
Must be some 'Murican holiday or something.
They usually do it once per season. Last year they showed Behind the Candelabra instead.
Is this year "The Normal Heart" ?