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Gared

Gared

GasBandit said:
Hey Seattle minimum wage earners!



"You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr. Carl's Jr: Fuck you, I'm eating!"
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It's ok, they're likely going to manage to legislate their way around this by declaring any company that has fewer than 500 employees a "small business". It won't do much for corporate run fast food restaurants, but all of the franchisee's will be protected, as long as they have few enough locations that their total workforce is under 500. And, if they write this one like they did the $15 minimum wage law in the city of Sea-Tac, they can exempt all contract workers, which will work out even better for as many companies as can jump on the bandwagon - all they have to do is replace all of their staff with contract employees, and then not only do they not have to pay $15.00/hr minimum wage, they don't have to provide health care or any other benefits either.

It's like the socialist city councilwoman who's driving this thing almost didn't think about it at all and has no concept of real-world consequences of her actions.
 
Dei

Dei

Side note: While at Disney, we ate lunch at Be Our Guest and they have those computer monitors for self serve ordering, but they still had someone manning each one because it was like rocket science to 75% of the people. :p
 
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AshburnerX

AshburnerX

They've already replaced almost all the tellers at a local Chase bank with iPads. The only time they need a human to do ANYTHING now is if it involves cash and some banks are just saying "We don't deal in cash anymore. Use the ATM."

This is why I'm going into Psychology. At least a fucking machine won't replace me in 5-10 years.
 
tegid

tegid

GasBandit said:
Hey Seattle minimum wage earners!


"You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr. Carl's Jr: Fuck you, I'm eating!"
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Holy shit, 2500$/mo minimum wage? What-the-fuck. That doesn't correspond with any ideology other than.. stupidism.
 
Espy

Espy

AshburnerX said:
They've already replaced almost all the tellers at a local Chase bank with iPads. The only time they need a human to do ANYTHING now is if it involves cash and some banks are just saying "We don't deal in cash anymore. Use the ATM."
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Thank God. I'm pretty sure most bank tellers are trained to only a) not understand anything you tell them and b) screw up your accounts and try to sell you stuff.
 
Gared

Gared

tegid said:
Holy shit, 2500$/mo minimum wage? What-the-fuck. That doesn't correspond with any ideology other than.. stupidism.
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It's all being based off of an economic report that shows that minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation and that if we want to balance it back out to where it was in the 50's, we need to go up to AT LEAST $15/hr. Honestly, I'm torn. Current minimum wage really isn't a living wage in the greater Seattle-Tacoma metropolitan area, unless you can also afford to commute up to or beyond 2.5 hours a day (regardless of whether you commute by public transit or personal vehicle, and as badly funded as our transit system is, the cost per person is about the same regardless of method). With all of the gentrification that's going on in the poorer neighborhoods, housing that's affordable on 2 minimum wage salaries is getting pushed farther and farther from the city centers (we have 3 of them) and unfortunately, because those three centers form a triangle, it's even getting to be too expensive to live between any of the city centers, so you really have to hope you can find a job on the north side of Seattle, the east side of Bellevue, or the south side of Tacoma, and can then afford to move to a suburb or X-burb that's close to that side of that city center. Gods forbid that you should become unemployed and only be able to find a job on the far side of the city center farthest from where you live, or you'll wind up commuting 5 hours out of the day.

On the other hand, the far side of the state, $15.00/hr is a quite comfortable standard of living, so the state minimum wage has probably been kept artificially low for several decades, because they have most of the land-mass and we have most of the population.

And then there's the fact that while a lot of people seem to think that minimum wage earners are high school kids or people trying to pick up some spare cash while they go to college, that just isn't true anymore. Do we just tell a senior citizen who worked for 40+ years at a major manufacturing plant, only to see their pension get eliminated when the company went bankrupt or restructured or was bought out by a competitor, that had to go back and work a minimum wage fast food job to pay their bills, that they don't deserve to live comfortably? But I'm not sure that minimum wage is the correct method to fix all of the various problems we have as a workforce.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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$15/hour is $30,000/year at full time employment. Telling companies they have to pay the drudgiest of their drudgeons 30k a year is just a hand-crafted recipe for rampant unemployment.[DOUBLEPOST=1399408609,1399408573][/DOUBLEPOST]In other news....

 
Espy

Espy

I'm pretty sure most companies that dole out multi-billion dollar bonuses to people on a regular basis could afford to bump the lowest wage employees up a notch. I mean, they won't, because fuck poor people, but anyone who thinks it would bankrupt most major companies to do that isn't really paying attention to some of the ridiculous wages the mid-top level folks get and the profits these companies post.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Espy said:
I'm pretty sure most companies that dole out multi-billion dollar bonuses to people on a regular basis could afford to bump the lowest wage employees up a notch. I mean, they won't, because fuck poor people, but anyone who thinks it would bankrupt most major companies to do that isn't really paying attention to some of the ridiculous wages the mid-top level folks get and the profits these companies post.
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There's a notch, and then there's $30,000/year. And furthermore, most of these jobs are not megacorp jobs. Yes, there's 3 walmarts in town, but there's dozens more small businesses like where I work that employ less than 50 people, and I can guarantee you would go under if they had to pay $15 an hour minimum... rather there'd be a lot of pink slips going around.
 
Espy

Espy

Oh, I agree with you, I'm not saying min. wage needs to be 15hr, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to find that there are a lot of large companies who could do it without batting an eye. I run a small business, I know I couldn't, but I only have 12 employees and a very, very slim profit margin. I guess I should have clarified that. Most of those kinds of things, i ever implemented would have to have allowances for small businesses.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Espy said:
Oh, I agree with you, I'm not saying min. wage needs to be 15hr, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to find that there are a lot of large companies who could do it without batting an eye. I run a small business, I know I couldn't, but I only have 12 employees and a very, very slim profit margin. I guess I should have clarified that. Most of those kinds of things, i ever implemented would have to have allowances for small businesses.
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And therein, as noted in other posts, enters the system that gets gamed. Holding companies and contractors and franchises and such all that wriggle around the wording of whatever law is meant to fix the problem with the best of intentions.
 
Espy

Espy

The argument that, "Well, there might be abuse! So lets not even try to make things better" is a terrible argument when "abuse the system" is currently the game we are playing.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Whatever rule you set in place, a big company will pretend-divide, change zoning rules, or outright pad pockets to get around. Unfortunately, the people who get to the tops of these places didn't do it by being decent people.

I'm also torn. On the one hand, general minimum wages do not enable a standard of living anymore. On the other hand, I know younger people struggling to find jobs that pay anything but "experience," because if those employers pay anything, it has to be up to the minimum wage.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Espy said:
The argument that, "Well, there might be abuse! So lets not even try to make things better" is a terrible argument when "abuse the system" is currently the game we are playing.
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There's no "might" about it. There are entire professions founded upon the idea of finding ways to abuse loopholes (boy, was shakespeare right or what?). Some days I think the only way it could be addressed is with a "Departement of Shenanigans" that calls bullshit on people who are plainly using jiggery-pokery to get around the intent of a law while remaining within the letter of that law. But even that opens a whole 'nuther can of worms of what happens when corrupt power-seekers get hold of that?

It just further proof to me that we're overdue for a collapse. A few years of lawlessness followed by a few decades of despotism, death and destruction might teach the next few generations to not fuck with a good thing.

"There is no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality. Liberty can no more exist without virtue and independence than the body can live and move without a soul." - John Adams
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." - Samuel Adams
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. Laws without morals are in vain." - Benjamin Franklin
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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I'm convinced Ke$ha is a diabolical criminal mastermind whose master plan involves every girl between 13 and 20 getting pregnant and then FAS.
 
Chad Sexington

Chad Sexington

I like Ke$ha. It's like... It's like every part of my brain and body knows I shouldn't by all accounts enjoy any aspect of her or her music, but everytime I hear a song by her, I am into it, often singing along.

And I'd totally get it on with her.

But I don't look like Jagger. (Fortunately for me, really)
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Chad Sexington said:
I like Ke$ha. It's like... It's like every part of my brain and body knows I shouldn't by all accounts enjoy any aspect of her or her music, but everytime I hear a song by her, I am into it, often singing along.

And I'd totally get it on with her.

But I don't look like Jagger. (Fortunately for me, really)
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For the love of god use protection.
 
Necronic

Necronic

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Frank said:
Every country gotta Fox.

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I normally wouldn't do this, but in this case the story sounded sort of interesting. So I did a little digging. And by "a little" I mean I just googled Syrian Opposition. The first page (wikipedia) dates the flag to 1963....

if you're going to have a conspiracy you need to do a little better than that.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

Necronic said:
I normally wouldn't do this, but in this case the story sounded sort of interesting. So I did a little digging. And by "a little" I mean I just googled Syrian Opposition. The first page (wikipedia) dates the flag to 1963....

if you're going to have a conspiracy you need to do a little better than that.
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In my experience, people who are looking for conspiracies are rarely searching for the truth.
 
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