GasBandit
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You will probably get your wish within our lifetime, but not in the way you (or I) want.
Chipotle asks its customers not be armed when dining with them.
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I'm just not worried about it. Even if half the fear mongering bullshit the right shits out on talk radio and fox came true it wouldn't matter. The battle was lost when we let our government get this big. And a bunch of fat, racist assholes with guns won't make a difference. If they truly wanted to change things for the better they would be doing something more productive than trying to freak out people eating at fast food restaurants.
GasBandit
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Well, I agree with you insofar as the federal government has passed a point of no return. But the collapse will more likely come from within it, and then the fighting will come into play over the scraps of the Balkanized States of America.
Bring it on. I suspect our, ahem, "revolutionaries" may not be the dangerous freedom fighters you hope they will be.
GasBandit
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I don't think you understood what I posted.
GasBandit
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Your snarky usage of oversimplified emotional imagery is duly noted.
To me a person who brought a long gun into a public area isn't practicing good gun safety. As such if they brought a long gun into a work place it would create a situation where employees would not feel that they could work safely and as such have the legal right to refuse to work until the situation was corrected.
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Another thing to bring into the discussion is not just the rights of the gun owner, but what about the rights of the other customers? Do they not have a right to eat in a business that is free of things that they percieve to be dangerous?[DOUBLEPOST=1400692201,1400692084][/DOUBLEPOST]
Economically speaking, they could be. Physically, I'd be more worried about South America.
GasBandit
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I'm not sure how much "money in politics" had to do with it, so much as a degrading military increasingly populated by foreign mercenaries, overspending, inflation, the division between the east and west empire, and rampant pandemic lead poisoning, punctuated by an invading barbarian horde. But certainly our government definitely has become corrupt and decadent.[DOUBLEPOST=1400692629,1400692264][/DOUBLEPOST]
That's true.
No. Perception is subjective, and when you are in public, you might see things subjectively you don't like. If I had a fear of dogs, and perceive them to be vicious and dangerous, that doesn't mean I can expect them to be banned from public areas. And one of the big problems with our culture is how many people think that their feelings have legal ramifications.
All that is, of course, assuming the weapons were simply being "worn" and not brandished or "waved around" as DA puts it. Acting in a threatening manner changes the situation, naturally, but I've not read anything that states these people were doing so.
The man in my article was an ex-cop. He had training and education.
I'm dead serious. People carrying their guns into a fast food shop as an act of "protest" are dumbasses. Dumb because it's hurting their (already lost) cause and asses because if they are likely to pull a stunt like this they probably have the common sense of a chicken and are therefore higher risks for shooting themselves or my family while they try to eat their giant burrito with extra America sauce and hold their AR-15 at the same time in case Obama storms in to try to turn them into a gay socialist muslim.
Ok, now that was a little snarky.
GasBandit
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There will always be bad eggs and violent criminals. And the fact of the matter is, in the US, if a bad egg/violent criminal wants a firearm, he'll get one. Gun control laws only disarm those who weren't the danger in the first place.
I have never fired a real gun--only BB guns. But I could easily get my hands on a legal firearm. That does not mean I have the education or experience to properly handle one or know its correct usage.
Knowing that, seeing a bunch of people walk into a restaurant wearing firearms does not fill me with confidence. How do I know they're not as ignorant as I am?
Knowing that, seeing a bunch of people walk into a restaurant wearing firearms does not fill me with confidence. How do I know they're not as ignorant as I am?
Like I said, anyone who thinks thats a good idea is basically telling you they have terrible judgement. I'd get out of there as fast as possible.
This is true if nobody ever killed someone with a gun in a crime of passion.
Well, by that logic, I want my smoking bans lifted so I can smoke in public places again.
Just to stress again, this really is not a second amendment issue at all. No one is infringing on these people's rights to keep and bear arms. They're refusing service to them. That is the business owner's right, as I see it. For someone who's all about free markets, you're sure quick to try to have the government enforce something on business owners that may be detrimental to their business.
Considering Gas's political standing, I think he'd be with you on that.
GasBandit
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You don't have a right to smoke in public, other than the fact that it isn't specifically outlawed except in certain areas. There's nothing in the constitution about smoking. There is, however, quite a bit about firearms.
I'm not saying Chipotle can't ask them to stop. In fact, I said they handled the situation deftly. I'm saying that the grabbers are overreacting.
And it IS a second amendment issue. What do you think "keep and bear arms" means? Only being able to lock them away hidden at home? "Bear" means to carry or wear.
None of the oh-so-highly publicized mass shootings of recent years were crimes of passion. They were all deliberately premeditated and targeted at those the criminal believed would be unarmed and unable to protect themselves.
But in as far as crimes of passion, does it matter whether a man shoots his wife or beats her to death with a cudgel? Or would it be better if she had something to protect herself from someone twice her size and three times her muscle mass? (THIS scenario, however, is not second amendment material).
Which is why, as I said, I'm in favor of adding firearm safety and use into the mandatory high school curriculum.
Whelp, we better start letting peole carry guns on planes and into our schools.
I wish that I could be joking that that is your actual thought on that, GB.
No right is absolute, there are always exceptions. You have the right to free speech, but that doesn't mean there aren't circumstances where that right becomes abridged in the interest of public safety and protection : See yelling fire in a crowded theater.
I wish that I could be joking that that is your actual thought on that, GB.
No right is absolute, there are always exceptions. You have the right to free speech, but that doesn't mean there aren't circumstances where that right becomes abridged in the interest of public safety and protection : See yelling fire in a crowded theater.
Then it should begin with that education, not begin with guns for everyone.
GasBandit
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Well, you're right, to a degree. Yelling fire (along with things like slander and libel) are good examples of exceptions to the rule. But the planes and schools line isn't analogous. While there has been legislation passed that declares restaurants to be public areas on private property, that does not extend to airplanes, which are private property. As for schools, so long as it is adults who are supposed to be there already, isn't that already one of the solutions being proposed to counter school shootings? Faculty members with access to weapons?[DOUBLEPOST=1400700664,1400700620][/DOUBLEPOST]
The guns are already there, and they're not going away. So we need to play catch-up with the education.