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Fascinating. They've gone some really interesting places with character and moving things around that I've liked, but there are a few that I'm really wondering how they haven't shot themselves in the foot.[DOUBLEPOST=1402952313][/DOUBLEPOST]Here's a chart showing what chapters have been covered by what episodes so far. Notice the farther along the more ragged it gets, and this whole season's been all over the place. We're especially far ahead on Danny and Reek.
Just saw this. Yeah, that is disturbing. I suspected they might have not realized how it would come off but… come one guys. No one watched that in post and went, "Whoooooooooooops"? No one?
Oh those Lannisters.
I don't think the Tywin/Tyrion confrontation works as well with him not knowing the truth about Tysha. My guess is they cut it because most people watching the show didn't read the books and don't remember a story about a faceless character from three seasons ago.
That said, about Jaime knowing about Cersei's activities, we don't exactly know it's huge to his story arc, since Martin kind of left that dangling in Jaime's lone Dance with Dragons chapter. Things were going in one direction at the end of Feast, and then an entirely different direction 3/4 through Dance. We have no idea what's happened since.
That said, about Jaime knowing about Cersei's activities, we don't exactly know it's huge to his story arc, since Martin kind of left that dangling in Jaime's lone Dance with Dragons chapter. Things were going in one direction at the end of Feast, and then an entirely different direction 3/4 through Dance. We have no idea what's happened since.
I may have to stop following news of this show in another season or so, because they're obviously going to beat the books to the finish and I don't really want the last two books spoiled for me.
So did I but I didn't miss it. The episode really didn't need it. Better to allow that to happen next season.
GasBandit
Staff member
Yeah, finding Shae there was a surprise - he had gone to confront his father and found Shae there basking in post-coital bliss. I think it's kinda cheap though that they had to write in him not being able to bring himself to really kill her until she pulled a knife. Sort of a "greedo shot first" kinda thing.
Well, it is cheap it's about keeping him sympathetic to the audience. Right or wrong choice they've made him more heroic. If I remember correctly he gets... Pretty dark from here on out in the books. Audiences need someone to root for and they are running out of good guys. Id prefer more nuance but I get why they went that way with it.
GasBandit
Staff member
In that case, I wonder why they've stolen so much of his thunder up to this point. They gave Cersei credit for the wildfire idea with Tyrion turning it up to 11 (whereas in the book it was entirely his machination), they edited out or lowered his contribution in multiple battle settings, all in all made him look a whole lot less badass than he actually was in the book.
Necronic
Staff member
I liked how it played out frankly. The book version of the story with Tysha is interesting, but really it's far too convoluted and too far of a callback to be easily explained on screen and have any emotional weight, and really it wouldn't have added that much, I mean....we get it. His dad is terrible.
Thats what I'm saying. Even if I have some minor character development quibbles I enjoy any deviation that makes me sit up and go, "Oooh, where is this going?"
Does this assume that Brienne doesn't know Arya's name?Of all the dialog options Brienne could have taken...
The fact that we wont be hearing Peter Dinklage ask people "Where do whores go?" next season is a crime against humanity.
Plus, it completely changes his motivation for going up to see his father... in the book it was only because Jamie confessed that he was made to lie about her, while in the show it's because... what exactly? And what has his plan? He couldn't let Tywin live and still escape after all, could he...
As for being a call back... they could have easily planned it better, maybe by having Tyrion mention her while talking to Jamie before the trial by combat, and having Jamie act weirdly about it... and after that, well, in the book Jamie already pretty much explained it "on screen" again...
Necronic
Staff member
So....he needed more of a reason to go see/kill his father than he already had?
Bronn said it in the tent the first night with Shay. "I would kill the man that did that to me." Tyrion already had a massive bankroll of reasons to kill his father. We didn't really need another story. What the scene was about (to me) was facing and understanding the lie he told himself that really, deep down, at some level, his father loved him. The question I have is whether he went to face his father with murder in mind, or to find out if his father really loved him. I'm not sure he did plan on killing him at first. It was after he found Shay (he didn't have a weapon before that). That was when he really saw the lie for what it was.
I dunno, I think the scene stood on its own. But you have to understand, I never read the books, so I don't have the same perspective as you do. That difference of perspective may be a real gulf.
Bronn said it in the tent the first night with Shay. "I would kill the man that did that to me." Tyrion already had a massive bankroll of reasons to kill his father. We didn't really need another story. What the scene was about (to me) was facing and understanding the lie he told himself that really, deep down, at some level, his father loved him. The question I have is whether he went to face his father with murder in mind, or to find out if his father really loved him. I'm not sure he did plan on killing him at first. It was after he found Shay (he didn't have a weapon before that). That was when he really saw the lie for what it was.
I dunno, I think the scene stood on its own. But you have to understand, I never read the books, so I don't have the same perspective as you do. That difference of perspective may be a real gulf.
This, the people I know who haven't read the book had no problem with Tyrion's motivation in that scene.
Jinx, you owe me a coke.
