Legend of Korra

Yoshimickster

Yoshimickster

AshburnerX said:
Kim Possible already got extra episodes. That it made it past 52 is a testament to it's popularity.
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Agreed, but every once in a while somebody on the commentosphere spouts "Hey, I heard from the series creator that their making a new season!" And in one case, they actually altered the damn Wikipedia page to say it was true! And when I clicked the source link what do you get? A link to a fan-site with no credible sources what-so-ever. Just sad.

And then you have the sadder ones, the ones that force the rumor that movies that were meant to be made but weren't are going to made again ALA the Hey Arnold movie sequel. This one stings a little as unlike the first movie, this one was supposed to have something to do with the damn show and even bookend the series finale cliff-hanger. Some fans just keep staking their claim in the land of what could have been, rather than staking it in the land of now.

I'd like to say Undergrads has a chance but...yeah we all know how this is gonna turn out.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
This will probably be the last of Korra, but not the last of the Avatar franchise.
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Exactly. I suspect in a few years we'll get a more modern Avatar series or possibly one covering a past life. Anyone want to see the kind of stuff a young Kiyoshi had to deal with? I know I would.
 
Jay

Jay

I think this was one book too many for Korra but whatever

I'd like a different perspective preferably one where it's more old school.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I think they kind of have to go with a young Avatar each time. What we've seen of Rokhu and Kyoshi is that once they hit their prime, they were practically unstoppable. If Aang had been 30 when he fought Ozi, there would've been no contest.

I would love to see a series where one of the past lives was kind of a Lawful Order warlord, forcing balance and peace through conquest a la certain historic Chinese emperors, and the main characters were those against him/her, but that's never going to happen.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
I think they kind of have to go with a young Avatar each time. What we've seen of Rokhu and Kyoshi is that once they hit their prime, they were practically unstoppable. If Aang had been 30 when he fought Ozi, there would've been no contest.

I would love to see a series where one of the past lives was kind of a Lawful Order warlord, forcing balance and peace through conquest a la certain historic Chinese emperors, and the main characters were those against him/her, but that's never going to happen.
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That was basically my idea too and it would work if they risked it. I'm just doubtful it would ever happen.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Book 4 Premiere:

Calling it now: Kuvira's having her men dress as bandits and destabilizing regions so she can sweep in and assume authority. It's the only way bandits could afford a fucking airplane, let alone know how to fly one.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

AshburnerX said:
Book 4 Premiere:

Calling it now: Kuvira's having her men dress as bandits and destabilizing regions so she can sweep in and assume authority. It's the only way bandits could afford a fucking airplane, let alone know how to fly one.
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I thought that was super duper obvious after she pretty much pressed the ones that attacked her train into service...
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

@Li3n said:
I thought that was super duper obvious after she pretty much pressed the ones that attacked her train into service...
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That could have just been conscription... you know, forcing them to work for her because she needs troops that know the area, so she just gang presses them into service. It only seems obvious once you see the kind of equipment they have. Sure, it -could- be stuff stolen when the kingdom fell, but come on...

I'm sure it'll still be interesting but it's pretty obvious where this season is going.
 
ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

I dug the season opener, though it was odd how Korra was barely in it but everyone kept mentioning her. I couldn't help but laugh a little and remember Poochie from The Simpsons.

Still, I like how everyone has kind of gone their own separate ways. I particularly like how the air benders are nomadic again, but like travelling heroes. Really love the wing suits because it's a natural progression in technology from the gliders.

One thing that I'm not crazy about is both Avatar and Korra's major villains. They're all so blatantly evil with a capital E that it makes it blatantly obvious. Of all the things I loved about The Last Avatar, I thought Ozai was a terrible, cliche villain. Same as Korra's uncle and apparently this season's likely villain. Though as I was writing this, about to list out the season villains from each season, I did realize that both Amon and the four rebel benders from last season were actually not as cliche or blatantly evil. And the main villain from the second season was more of a force of nature than a person. So I guess I really do just have a big problem with Ozai more than any other we've had.
 
Yoshimickster

Yoshimickster

@ThatNickGuy
No argument on Ozai, he served as a great ending battle and ethical choice for Aang but out of all the villains he was the weakest. Zhou had a massive ambition that threatened the balance, Azula had her insanity caused ultimately from wanting her parents approval(basically Zuko to the nth degree), and Ozai...wanted to be a Phoenix king? I think they go into his motives more in the comic, but still.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

ThatNickGuy said:
One thing that I'm not crazy about is both Avatar and Korra's major villains. They're all so blatantly evil with a capital E that it makes it blatantly obvious. Of all the things I loved about The Last Avatar, I thought Ozai was a terrible, cliche villain. Same as Korra's uncle and apparently this season's likely villain. Though as I was writing this, about to list out the season villains from each season, I did realize that both Amon and the four rebel benders from last season were actually not as cliche or blatantly evil. And the main villain from the second season was more of a force of nature than a person. So I guess I really do just have a big problem with Ozai more than any other we've had.
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This is kind of why I dug Amon... because for all his posturing and hidden motives, he was completely right about benders. In the world of Avatar, if you aren't ether...

- A bender
- A family member of a bender
- Rich, with access to high technology and the best training money can buy
- A chi blocker
- Part of the White Lotus

... then you don't matter. You are basically living on the good graces of the people who can incinerate/crush/drown/freeze/suffocate people on a whim. Yes, a lot of them are good, but a bad one can ruin your life in an instant and there is nothing you can do about it. They can do the jobs of a dozen men in seconds as well. It's a wonder the anti-bender movement isn't still going strong.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

You're giving individual fighting ability too much weight when it comes to who "matters". In civilized society, that's not terribly important. Being able to shoot fire doesn't make you a better businessman or politician for example, either of which can give you far more influence than Joe McBender has.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Reverent-one said:
You're giving individual fighting ability too much weight when it comes to who "matters". In civilized society, that's not terribly important. Being able to shoot fire doesn't make you a better businessman or politician for example, either of which can give you far more influence than Joe McBender has.
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Until Joe McBender shows up to burn your business to the ground or assassinate you, at which point you need one of the above to stop it which is still proving my point. Again, it all comes back to individual ability. Ether you are one of these people or have one to protect you, but they are still the ones who hold the power.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

AshburnerX said:
Until Joe McBender shows up to burn your business to the ground or assassinate you, at which point you need one of the above to stop it which is still proving my point. Again, it all comes back to individual ability. Ether you are one of these people or have one to protect you, but they are still the ones who hold the power.
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So unless you have a gun in American society, you don't matter? Because Joe McGunman could show up to shoot up your business or assassinate you just as well in today's world as a bender could in Avatar-world.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Reverent-one said:
So unless you have a gun in American society, you don't matter? Because Joe McGunman could show up to shoot up your business or assassinate you just as well in today's world as a bender could in Avatar-world.
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The gun analogy doesn't work because bending is horrifyingly destructive in so many more ways and is completely undetectable and unstoppable EXCEPT by one of the methods mentioned above. It's like mutants in the Marvel universe: sure, putting them all in a database seems like an injustice... right up until Magneto shows up and rips the god damn Golden Gate Bridge out of the river by himself. It's more like giving someone a nuke than giving them a gun. People have good reason to be scared of them.

And again... when people with guns show up, you have to rely on people with guns to stop them. If you don't have one, all you can do is pray you don't get shot until they get there... assuming they are coming and want to help you. You only matter in relation to the people with the ability to protect you and their willingness to.

If anything, it's commentary on arming people at all.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Ok, so by that logic, Obama (or pretty much any other politician in the world) doesn't matter, it's the Secret Service agents or other guards that are important. Which I'm pretty sure everyone would agree is ridiculous. Someone needing someone else (or multiple someone elses) doesn't mean that they don't matter. Most of society is built by people who need each other and work together, not individuals who do everything themselves. Even without taking violence into consideration, few businessmen, no matter how good of ideas they have, can do much without workers.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I think you've completely missed the point by going to real world examples. Society in Avatar isn't civilized. Republic City is still full of the triads... the Earth Kingdom is balkanized and run by bandits. These are places you don't want to be (unless you are rich and can afford protection).
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

AshburnerX said:
I think you've completely missed the point by going to real world examples. Society in Avatar isn't civilized. Republic City is still full of the triads... the Earth Kingdom is balkanized and run by bandits. These are places you don't want to be (unless you are rich and can afford protection).
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Pretty sure there are plenty of places in the US that you don't want to be unless you can afford protection, places with gangs of criminals. Republic city has an army and police force, if President Raiko doesn't matter because he needs guards, if every generic non-bender Republic City citizen doesn't matter because they need the police to protect them from criminals, then yes, that is logically the same thing as saying that President Obama doesn't matter and that neither does any American citizen who relies on the police to do the same.
 
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AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Reverent-one said:
Pretty sure there are plenty of places in the US that you don't want to be unless you can afford protection, places with gangs of criminals. Republic city has an army and police force, if President Raiko doesn't matter because he needs guards, if every generic non-bender Republic City citizen doesn't matter because they need the police to protect them from criminals, then yes, that is logically the same thing as saying that President Obama doesn't matter and that neither does any American citizen who relies on the police to do the same.
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It has a completely corrupt police force outside of the Metal Benders... who've shown just how little regard they have for the common man when they were willing to round up a crowd of non-benders just for being out at night (under Tarlock's orders). And considering how often Raiko's life has been in Jeopardy, entirely because of benders looking to get rid of him, he's lucky to be alive.

Also, when did Republic City get a PRESIDENT? In the first season it seems like the City Council runs the entire thing. Raiko just kind of showed up to ruin shit in Season 2.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

AshburnerX said:
It has a completely corrupt police force outside of the Metal Benders... who've shown just how little regard they have for the common man when they were willing to round up a crowd of non-benders just for being out at night (under Tarlock's orders). And considering how often Raiko's life has been in Jeopardy, entirely because of benders looking to get rid of him, he's lucky to be alive.
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This has nothing to do with the fundamental argument you were making that I was disagreeing with, which is that if someone ever has to rely on someone else (like say, to protect them from a bender attacking them), they don't matter, ever, only the people they had to rely on at that point in time matter.

Also, when did Republic City get a PRESIDENT? In the first season it seems like the City Council runs the entire thing. Raiko just kind of showed up to ruin shit in Season 2.
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....Uh, between season 1 and 2, when they dissolved the council and created the democratically elected position of President?
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Toph reminds me of my Italian grandmother, in how she is 4'11" and STILL looks like she could kick my ass.

As for that... thing... Korra might have died like Aang did and that's just her Avatar side, trying to get her to do what she has to in order to reunite. It's probably kicking her ass because she can't accept her own limitations, so it turned into her strongest self to drive the point home. She's not supposed to win. She CAN'T win. That's the point.
 
Krisken

Krisken

"But I can't stand you being so pathetic and getting your butt kicked all the time" -Toph

That's what I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! Hells yes.
 
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