[Movies] The Upcoming Movies Trailer Thread

GasBandit

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It's not just the photo, there's also the fact that sending just 1 guy to protect her makes no sense otherwise.

Unlike Skynet, the humans have all the time in the world to use the time travel device as there's no enemy army breaking in, and, due to the nature of time travel there's nothing stopping them from sending people to the same date for the next 50 years or whatever...
Did they though? What if it was going down like in back to the future 2, where the timeline was coming apart and there was only enough power to send one person, and not enough time to recharge before sending another?

Sending him alone after giving him the picture (way before they won too) shows that John knows he's his father...
It'd be an odd coincidence that John just decided to give Kyle the picture so far before they even took the time facility, true. But it's not conclusive proof. One thing that occurred to my dirty, warped brain, too, is Kyle might have stolen the photo without John knowing, for his ... uh... "alone time." Then made up the bit about John giving it to him when he had to explain himself to Sarah.


Yeah, one should not use Doctor Who as a source on how logical time travel would operate...
But Terminator SHOULD be? heh heh heh...
 
But Terminator SHOULD be? heh heh heh...
When discussing Terminator, it's reasonable to take into account Terminator's time travel rules and regulations. Doctor Who stuff is more applicable when discussing Doctor Who (and sometimes Torchwood).

As for why Kyle had the picture, you also need to take into account intent--not in continuity, but of the storyteller (writers, director). Taken alone, the first movie is pretty clear-cut on the story it's trying to tell and it doesn't seem to be about Kyle jacking off to a photo from the 20+ year old photo.
 

GasBandit

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When discussing Terminator, it's reasonable to take into account Terminator's time travel rules and regulations. Doctor Who stuff is more applicable when discussing Doctor Who (and sometimes Torchwood).

As for why Kyle had the picture, you also need to take into account intent--not in continuity, but of the storyteller (writers, director). Taken alone, the first movie is pretty clear-cut on the story it's trying to tell and it doesn't seem to be about Kyle jacking off to a photo from the 20+ year old photo.
Lucas intended Greedo to shoot first.
 
Did they though? What if it was going down like in back to the future 2, where the timeline was coming apart and there was only enough power to send one person, and not enough time to recharge before sending another?
But there no indication whatsoever that that was the case. And one would assume that Kyle would take the extra 3 seconds to mention it.

It'd be an odd coincidence that John just decided to give Kyle the picture so far before they even took the time facility, true. But it's not conclusive proof. One thing that occurred to my dirty, warped brain, too, is Kyle might have stolen the photo without John knowing, for his ... uh... "alone time." Then made up the bit about John giving it to him when he had to explain himself to Sarah.
Yeah, see, that requires we assume a lot of things that we have no reason to assume. Going by Occam's Razor it's most likely that what he said was true.

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I mean i'm not saying that those aren't possible ways to justify changing the timeline etc, but that, originally, that was not the intent / not how T1 time travel worked.

But Terminator SHOULD be? heh heh heh...
Like i said, taking into account only the first film, the time travel used is one of the few consistent types, and the 2nd doesn't contradict it, even though the characters think they changed the future, because it doesn't show that they did (unreleased ending notwithstanding).


Lucas intended Greedo to shoot first.
Greedo was just too slow when they filmed it i guess...
 
The reason I'm siding with @li3n on this is because his posts seem like someone who's looking at the movie and not like someone's writing for a Cracked After Hours video suggesting Jurassic Park had time travel technology to explain a plot hole.
 

GasBandit

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Greedo was just too slow when they filmed it i guess...
Lucas gave him a do-over.
The reason I'm siding with @li3n on this is because his posts seem like someone who's looking at the movie and not like someone's writing for a Cracked After Hours video suggesting Jurassic Park had time travel technology to explain a plot hole.
In other words, like someone who hates movies.
 
In other words, like someone who hates movies.
Watching the movie = hating movies?

It's just that The Terminator standing alone goes out of its way to make this stuff obvious (they didn't have to have that photo epilogue, for example) and you seem to take issue with it because you dislike causal loops, but that's the kind of time travel story it's clearly set up. I'm guessing they wouldn't have done so if they'd known there would be sequels, but on its own, that's what The Terminator is.
 
I'm guessing they wouldn't have done so if they'd known there would be sequels, but on its own, that's what The Terminator is.
Like i said before, T2, as it was released, doesn't actually contradict T1's "time can't be changed" thing, even if the characters think they averted the future... as we never actually see if they did or not.
 
Like i said before, T2, as it was released, doesn't actually contradict T1's "time can't be changed" thing, even if the characters think they averted the future... as we never actually see if they did or not.
I thought Terminator 3 made things inevitable.

I don't know; I've only seen the first two and heard that T3 has an excellent highway chase like in Matrix Reloaded.[DOUBLEPOST=1424013285,1424013213][/DOUBLEPOST]
I watched T2 last night. It might surprise you guys to know that it's still awesome.
It's one of those movies that you don't think has aged well until you go watch it again.

When I started buying DVDs, I was amazed to find how much better-paced movies were when you don't have commercial breaks every 15 to 20 minutes :p.
 

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Why couldn't Kyle just be the nearest trained soldier at hand when the humans capture the time machine?

I just assumed the picture was so that Kyle knew what Sarah looked like.

In the script, the human resistance sent two soldiers. One of them jumps to the same place as a fire escape and materializes skewered. They cut it for the final release.
 

GasBandit

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Why couldn't Kyle just be the nearest trained soldier at hand when the humans capture the time machine?

I just assumed the picture was so that Kyle knew what Sarah looked like.

In the script, the human resistance sent two soldiers. One of them jumps to the same place as a fire escape and materializes skewered. They cut it for the final release.
It hinges on a flashback/dream in T1 showing that Kyle actually received the picture quite a while before they actually took (or possibly even knew about) the time facility. This is most commonly taken to mean that John Connor already knew Kyle would end up being his father once sent to the past when he "met" him while leading the resistance, and gave him the photo of his mother, which then infatuated Kyle.
 
I thought Terminator 3 made things inevitable.
T3 made them inevitable in that really annoying "you can just delay them. change some stuff about how they happen, but they still happen" way that makes little sense but one can argue that avoids a paradox.

In T1 it was that you never actually change anything, what you do is what happened always, John was always fathered by Kyle, Skynet was always based on the remains of that Terminator, humans always win, Skynet always finishes the time machine just before being defeated etc


Why couldn't Kyle just be the nearest trained soldier at hand when the humans capture the time machine?
Because they where there to finish off Skynet, it stands to reason that they had most of their army there...

And like i said before, they had a time machine, time restraints shouldn't be a problem...
 

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GasBandit

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An article about terribly unrepresentative trailers, and it doesn't mention one of the worst of recent history: Fight Club. The trailer had almost nothing to do with the movie. I avoided it because it looked like a movie for and about meatheads who wanted to pound each other into paste. It seems a lot of people thought the same.
(Psst... that was 16 years ago)

Anyway, the example that jumps out at me recently is Frozen. The trailer for Frozen made it look like Ice Age with a snowman instead of a squirrel-rat-thing. There were no humans in it at all, and no mention of what the plot was.
 
An article about terribly unrepresentative trailers, and it doesn't mention one of the worst of recent history: Fight Club. The trailer had almost nothing to do with the movie. I avoided it because it looked like a movie for and about meatheads who wanted to pound each other into paste. It seems a lot of people thought the same.
Having watched the movie and based on those who still today go on about how Tyler Durden spoke the truth, that still seems like an accurate description.
 
In other news, Rooster Teeth has released a teaser trailer for Lazer Team, the movie they crowdfunded on Indiegogo. It's just a teaser, but it shows promise. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

 
And Laserblast, and Earthworm Jim, and Greatest American Hero, and any other piece of fiction where a scavenged piece of alien technology transforms some average creature's life.
 
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