[TV] The Walking Dead

Well, I can't look at that :p. I'm kind of surprised the comic has been able to keep ahead of the show. Guess that's possible when people keep working on the source material, unlike a certain author whose show will finish before his friggin books.

Also on the finale, Glenn
is too good for that world.
 
Just finished it finally, and it was great. I loved the ending.
The look on Morgans face when he saw what Rick did was perfect. Hopefully he can help bring Rick back from the edge a bit. Morgan has been there and back. If anyone can do it, he can.

I really liked the scene with Gabriel. This is the first time anyone has really tried to help him come to terms with what he did. I really like how Maggie handled it. It doesn't excuse the other crap he pulled, but I think it was nice to seem them bond a little.

Also on the finale, Glenn
is too good for that world.
I would say he's the type of good that world needs more than anything.
 
If it was her intent all along, she wouldn't have been shouting for Rick to stop.
Have you never seen someone act differently in public then they do in private?


Also in the finale

her order to Rick was clearly a change of mind/
Yeah, about her own involvement in it.

Bringing up to him the idea might also have been a way for her to not feel like she approved of it, people are crazy like that sometimes.

Of course, it might have just been the writers thinking they need to mention it to show Rick had the option i guess.
 
Have you never seen someone act differently in public then they do in private?

Yeah, about her own involvement in it.

Bringing up to him the idea might also have been a way for her to not feel like she approved of it, people are crazy like that sometimes.

Of course, it might have just been the writers thinking they need to mention it to show Rick had the option i guess.
"Here is what will happen if you do this." Rick obviously wouldn't want to leave his family and she knows this. She didn't know he was planning to take Alexandria if he was pushed to that point. So in her POV, this is a threat that if he kills Pete, he's out.

Of course, it hardly matters now.

By the end of the finale, I'm certain she wished she'd listened.
 
"Here is what will happen if you do this."
Like Rick didn't already know that they wouldn't allow him amongst them if he killed someone. Plus, as i recall, the context was more about how she wouldn't even kill someone who killed one of them...

And Rick told Pete he was trying to save his life when they started fighting...
 
Like Rick didn't already know that they wouldn't allow him amongst them if he killed someone. Plus, as i recall, the context was more about how she wouldn't even kill someone who killed one of them...

And Rick told Pete he was trying to save his life when they started fighting...
You need to go rewatch that scene, because I did before first responding to you since I wasn't sure. That's why none of what you're saying adds up.

Dianna's POV: Rick wants to kill Pete. She doesn't want executions. She tells Rick she would exile Pete if he killed Jessie. She tells Rick she would exile Rick if he killed Pete.

How does her mention of exile come off as an offer? What you're suggesting sounds like after the conversaton, Dianna would think "I've told Rick not to kill Pete or he'll be exiled, which is a thing he does not want, so now he's totally going to kill Pete and get exiled."
 
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I didn't think of it like that, more like she was washing her hands of it either way.

More like "if he kills Pete and i exile him i solve 2 problems without doing anything"

I mean really:

Rick: "... or it can be decided for you!"
Whatshername: "It already was. I wouldn't kill you, i'd just send you away!"?
 
Looks decent. The beginning seems like it suffers from "this is what normal human people sound like, right?" but I'm guessing we won't have to deal with that long once things go bad.

I'm definitely interested in seeing how society declines and inevitably falls. Rick woke up after that was over, so we didn't really get to see it happen outside of the flashbacks.
 
I saw the pilot for Fear the Walking Dead. So far I like what I'm seeing.

My prediction is the junkie will get some people killed. He will be tasked with standing watch one night, and instead he goes off somewhere to get high. Zombies walk into the camp or safehouse in his absence. Hilarity ensues.
 
I think the problem is that it takes so much time to build up. We all know what is going to happen, so why waste so much time on a "Is the druggie insane?" subplot? Why have all those slow fake outs? (the music rising on the principle at the school, the guy moaning like a zombie at the hospital, etc) All those things felt like they were trying to be cheeky and really it just felt like it was wasting my time.

Also, are you telling me that over however many days from the point the drugged out son escaped the zombie girl, only one other person died? In LOS ANGELES!? No hospital is that good. I mean seriously, they treat that one guy attacking the paramedic as some huge moment, but DAYS earlier, supposedly THREE zombies were unleashed out of that church (no bodies were found there by the dad later). Maybe I missed a scene, but they never touch on those three again and I don't imagine they are just hiding in the basement.
 
Exploring the origin of the outbreak is just not interesting to me. the mystery of the virus is not what is enticing about TWD. it's the struggle for survival, and the loss of humanity that results. that trip to the CDC in the first season was a huge misstep for the show, and this FtWD show just seems like one giant misstep.
 
I'd like to see how society fell apart. Too many zombie things just cut ahead to the survival, the post apocalypse, but we don't get to see it happen except in snippets. I want to see the struggle to hold things together as they fall apart anyway. Not trapped in a mall, not in a coma, not cutting to 30 days later like in The Walking Dead video game, but as the radios slowly quiet, less instruction, less government. There's no reason to jump straight to afterward. We already have that and tons of it. This is a chance to explore the degeneration of society one step at a time.
 
I'd like to see how society fell apart. Too many zombie things just cut ahead to the survival, the post apocalypse, but we don't get to see it happen except in snippets. I want to see the struggle to hold things together as they fall apart anyway. Not trapped in a mall, not in a coma, not cutting to 30 days later like in The Walking Dead video game, but as the radios slowly quiet, less instruction, less government. There's no reason to jump straight to afterward. We already have that and tons of it. This is a chance to explore the degeneration of society one step at a time.
Telltale Game's The Walking Dead literally goes...

- Lee's in the Cop Car
- Cop Car hits someone
- Lee wakes up in the wreck a little bit later
- OMG ZOMBIES

From then on, the entire first episode is basically over the course of a few days. We see Lee and everyone else have to survive the initial waves of the outbreak. It's not until Episode 2 that they time skip.
 
I find the "Great Panic" stage of an outbreak to be the most intriguing. At that point, civilization can still pull it off. Most governments and services are still functioning. A little more information about the threat, a little more order, and a lot more firepower can eliminate the zombie menace before it becomes unassailable.

Also, people really need to stop allowing bite victims in.
 
Telltale Game's The Walking Dead literally goes...

- Lee's in the Cop Car
- Cop Car hits someone
- Lee wakes up in the wreck a little bit later
- OMG ZOMBIES

From then on, the entire first episode is basically over the course of a few days. We see Lee and everyone else have to survive the initial waves of the outbreak. It's not until Episode 2 that they time skip.
And we don't get to see any of what I'm talking about because of reasons I'm only just realizing don't make any sense.

The car crashes, Lee passes out in the woods, wakes up, and the place is swarming with zombies. He comes upon Clementine and it seems like this has been going on a bit, same with the farm, meanwhile in Macon it's like it's day one. If things were so far along already, it should've been affecting stuff to a point where Lee's convict situation wasn't an immediate priority, or at least would be something they're aware of. The emergency vehicles heading the other way seem more like the beginning, not well into it like the amount of walking dead would suggest.

I know it's a video game, but that sequence of events with the setting doesn't make add up. Didn't realize it until now though.
 
To be clear, I am fine with seeing the events of civilization breaking down. I just felt it could have started a good hour sooner. We didn't need a lot of the building they were doing (again, the fake "is the druggie losing his mind?" arc.
 
And we don't get to see any of what I'm talking about because of reasons I'm only just realizing don't make any sense.

The car crashes, Lee passes out in the woods, wakes up, and the place is swarming with zombies. He comes upon Clementine and it seems like this has been going on a bit, same with the farm, meanwhile in Macon it's like it's day one. If things were so far along already, it should've been affecting stuff to a point where Lee's convict situation wasn't an immediate priority, or at least would be something they're aware of. The emergency vehicles heading the other way seem more like the beginning, not well into it like the amount of walking dead would suggest.

I know it's a video game, but that sequence of events with the setting doesn't make add up. Didn't realize it until now though.
Well... Lee was a convicted murderer. It's entirely plausible that transporting him away from somewhere that wasn't about to get overrun (which he could use to escape) was viewed as a priority or that it happened because the police/government had viewed the initial reports as something they could contain. You need to remember that at this stage, people didn't know that the infection was present in everyone... they thought it was just done by bites. They probably under estimated the severity of the situation... it's not like the CDC could make heads or tails of it until after it was too late to get the word out. Once the people with infected bites/other serious health concerns showed up in the refugee camps, it was all over.

As for Macon... Macon is a city of about 231k people in 250 square miles that doesn't get major traffic except people trying to get to Atlanta or Savannah. This means the outbreak would have moved more slowly because Macon is less densely packed than Atlanta (about 5 mil in 132 square miles) or Savannah (372k in 108 square miles), which basically fell overnight because of their population density and refugees/escapees. Basically, people were leaving Macon to get help, not going to it. As such, it would have been less devastated by the outbreak, at least for a time. This would also help to explain why they were moving Lee: the city in which he has been tried wasn't being as affected as another and people hadn't been taking it seriously yet.

As for Clem... she had probably been hiding out for hours or a few days at most. It's not like she was getting food or supplies or anything... she literally hid in her treehouse when her babysitter turned. She hadn't left the backyard. Considering how long it takes for a bite to kill (hours), it's likely her sitter was bit before she showed up or before the state of emergency was declared.

I'd also like to point out that the government would be very slow to react to an outbreak that was 100% lethal but had "people" walking around still. You can't just go gunning people down if they might be infected; people have rights. You have to suspend those rights and declare a state of martial law in order to pull it off without the general population trying to fight off the government forces gunning down their neighbors. It also takes a lot of effort to keep a quarantine, especially when you have injured people coming to you for aid and hiding their bites. You can't hold a line like that without just gunning down anyone that approaches. It's a Catch-22: ether you cause a state of panic to contain an outbreak or the outbreak causes a state of panic when it breaks out.

tl;dr - The scenario makes sense within the rules as established by the greater source material, but the entire thing hinges on the government not burning down entire cities to contain the outbreak... which we would probably do in a heartbeat, even if it would end the legitimacy of the U.S. Government.
 
tl;dr - The scenario makes sense within the rules as established by the greater source material, but the entire thing hinges on the government not burning down entire cities to contain the outbreak... which we would probably do in a heartbeat, even if it would end the legitimacy of the U.S. Government.
Well, they did do that in the show in one flashback, but then the game, comic, and show aren't in continuity.

I understand what you meant about slowness to react, and especially misunderstanding the spread of infection. It's not like they know it's zombies; any serious zombie fiction is assumed to not have zombie movies and such in its culture, unlike a vampire fiction where it's unavoidable. I still want to see the failure of a national effort.

Come to think of it, this show might not scratch that itch, because The Walking Dead has always had a narrow focus. It keeps you locked into the characters, knowing really only what they know. For all we know, there are more places in the show's world like Alexandria, or doing even better than Alexandria. There are environments where this wouldn't have been able to spread much. But the characters don't know, so we don't know. In FTWD, it might do the same, so we see no more than we did in the video game.

(I know I'm only quoting the tl;dr, but I did read the whole thing :p.)
 
A Third World dictatorship would be better-equipped than a modern republic or democracy to contain a zombie infestation. Horribly sick people start appearing in a shanty-town? Burn the whole thing to the ground. Groups of violently aggressive people are "rioting" in the streets and ignoring orders to disperse? Gun them down. Refugees are found hiding bite victims? Make a show of compassion by making sure that news crews film kindly aid workers gently shepherding the infected into special hospitals. There, the infected are summarily executed away from cameras. Refugees from another country start streaming in? Take the skilled workers, fill manpower shortages, and drive the others away with gunfire if need be.

A Third World country would react with brutality but survive the initial outbreak. The question is if they'll survive for much longer than that. Third World countries have a tendency to make ethnic or religious minorities convenient scapegoats. After eradicating the zombie infestation, the majority population would probably turn on a minority and blame them for the infestation in the first place. Then the country would likely consume itself in a genocide or civil war.
 
A Third World dictatorship would be better-equipped than a modern republic or democracy to contain a zombie infestation. Horribly sick people start appearing in a shanty-town? Burn the whole thing to the ground. Groups of violently aggressive people are "rioting" in the streets and ignoring orders to disperse? Gun them down. Refugees are found hiding bite victims? Make a show of compassion by making sure that news crews film kindly aid workers gently shepherding the infected into special hospitals. There, the infected are summarily executed away from cameras. Refugees from another country start streaming in? Take the skilled workers, fill manpower shortages, and drive the others away with gunfire if need be.

A Third World country would react with brutality but survive the initial outbreak. The question is if they'll survive for much longer than that. Third World countries have a tendency to make ethnic or religious minorities convenient scapegoats. After eradicating the zombie infestation, the majority population would probably turn on a minority and blame them for the infestation in the first place. Then the country would likely consume itself in a genocide or civil war.
You get an outbreak in Africa and you wouldn't find out for weeks, if not months, because of how far apart villages are and because the warlords didn't need a reason to shoot them before so why would they now?

Of course, you get it in an actual city and all bets are off. Big African cities are no different that European ones.
 
You guys are forgetting that The Walking Dead doesn't follow the classic zombie rules. There is no containing the infection, -everyone- is already infected. As to how that happened, maybe this show will address that, but I think it works better as a mystery.
 
You guys are forgetting that The Walking Dead doesn't follow the classic zombie rules. There is no containing the infection, -everyone- is already infected. As to how that happened, maybe this show will address that, but I think it works better as a mystery.
True, but once you figure out what the issue is, you can deal with it. Someone dies in a hospital? Put a bullet in their head. Car wreck? Bullet to the head. The whole reason why it became a serious issue is because NO ONE understood how it was transmitting until it was too late to do anything about it. And yes, everyone is infected... but in this scenario, an Outbreak would be a cascading effect of people dying from bites.
 
But if people just turn into zombies when they die, and it takes a few hours to turn, then you could probably contain the worst of it. Except when it happens right away for dramatic purposes.

The issue world be keeping track of everyone, because plenty of homeless people die off the radar every day. Not to mention, again, third world.
 
Watching this week's episode of Fear the Walking Dead. That first episode was slow, but now that things are actually happening, this show is picking up. It's a different show still, but it's pretty good.
 
Yeah I enjoyed this episode more than the pilot. My main gripe is none of the characters are likable. The older son's a junkie, the daughter is stuck-up, the younger son is a typical surly teen, and the parents aren't especially compelling. That Tobias kid at the high school seems to be the most intriguing and he barely has lines.

By the way, I'm hoping for a small Easter egg if they do wind up in the desert. While sorting through a ransacked camp, the group finds a sandwich bag filled with sky blue meth.
 
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