[TV] The Walking Dead

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I've often wondered why drug use doesn't feature more into zombie fiction... I mean, if you can make meth, you WILL have people willing to protect you for it. People WILL trade you for it. Same with marijuana or mushrooms... people are going to want an escape and drugs are pretty valuable in the respect.

The only time I think I've ever heard of drug use in fiction was in Zone 1, where the main character remembers how he used to do whippits with another (dead) survivor before he joined up with the remnant forces.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
I've often wondered why drug use doesn't feature more into zombie fiction... I mean, if you can make meth, you WILL have people willing to protect you for it. People WILL trade you for it. Same with marijuana or mushrooms... people are going to want an escape and drugs are pretty valuable in the respect.

The only time I think I've ever heard of drug use in fiction was in Zone 1, where the main character remembers how he used to do whippits with another (dead) survivor before he joined up with the remnant forces.
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The Telltale game (season 1) had that one group in the woods who were some kind of addicts that were a threat.
 
phil

phil

I just finished episode 2 and I'm more excited now. I'm having trouble keeping track of things though. So this is a few days/weeks or so after the initial global infection I guess? The nerdy kid seemed to have a pretty good grasp of what was going on but I guess everyone else just thinks that there's some weird bug going around and reports of violence? The boyfriend was bitten, but not at a hospital and still knew to send her away? Did I just miss explanations for this stuff?

I'm excited to see things get more and more out of control though. The next episode preview seemed neat.

With the cast being completely new and with no ties to the main show the death rotation could be insane. I think first deaths are going to include the barber shop family and ex wife. Druggie son will get a redemption death, probably saving his sister, as this season's big death.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Best scene this week?

The school attack. The kid's knife literally snaps the moment it comes into contact with Arty's skull. Remember folks: not all knives are made equal. If you spent less than 50-100 for your knife, it's gonna snap the second you use it like that.

Zero Esc said:
The Telltale game (season 1) had that one group in the woods who were some kind of addicts that were a threat.
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You mean the bandits who wanted the drugs? There's legitimate reasons for wanting that medication though... and medication isn't exactly easy to come by.

The only addict in the series is Bonnie and she's been clean since it all started.
 
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Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

AshburnerX said:
You mean the bandits who wanted the drugs? There's legitimate reasons for wanting that medication though... and medication isn't exactly easy to come by.

The only addict in the series is Bonnie and she's been clean since it all started.
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Someone said the people from the warehouse store were on something, but I can't remember if it was the farmers or the woman who took a video of Clementine.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Zero Esc said:
Someone said the people from the warehouse store were on something, but I can't remember if it was the farmers or the woman who took a video of Clementine.
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Yeah, but are you going to trust cannibals who were interested in silencing/discrediting the Big Box people because they knew they were cannibals?

We can assume they were getting high on the meds, but there are actual, legitimate reasons to want pain medication after the end. And I guess I really should have specified I meant real hard stuff... stuff you could actually cook up after the end.
 
Mathias

Mathias

IronBrig4 said:
A Third World dictatorship would be better-equipped than a modern republic or democracy to contain a zombie infestation. Horribly sick people start appearing in a shanty-town? Burn the whole thing to the ground. Groups of violently aggressive people are "rioting" in the streets and ignoring orders to disperse? Gun them down. Refugees are found hiding bite victims? Make a show of compassion by making sure that news crews film kindly aid workers gently shepherding the infected into special hospitals. There, the infected are summarily executed away from cameras. Refugees from another country start streaming in? Take the skilled workers, fill manpower shortages, and drive the others away with gunfire if need be.

A Third World country would react with brutality but survive the initial outbreak. The question is if they'll survive for much longer than that. Third World countries have a tendency to make ethnic or religious minorities convenient scapegoats. After eradicating the zombie infestation, the majority population would probably turn on a minority and blame them for the infestation in the first place. Then the country would likely consume itself in a genocide or civil war.
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pfft tell that to North Korea in WWZ
 
IronBrig4

IronBrig4

Well, in the book we have no idea what happens to North Korea. The entire population went underground and nobody knows if they're alive, dead, or zombified.

Cuba, on the other hand, survives the zombie outbreak without much fuss and becomes one of the most prosperous countries in the world.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

IronBrig4 said:
Well, in the book we have no idea what happens to North Korea. The entire population went underground and nobody knows if they're alive, dead, or zombified.

Cuba, on the other hand, survives the zombie outbreak without much fuss and becomes one of the most prosperous countries in the world.
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Cuba had to completely abandon it's communist/slave owning ways to make it happen though. Once it had a full on middle class, they couldn't hold the same leanings without demonizing the entire native populaiton.

On the other hand, Russia became even MORE fascist that it already was and managed to successfully hold the line that way.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

So I'm actually digging Fear the Walking Dead now... the outbreak is well underway and things have gone to complete shit in record, we got families that don't trust each other and all the jazz, so we finally have drama. I highly recommend it to anyone who's a fan of the other show.
 
IronBrig4

IronBrig4

My prediction is the soldiers moving through the neighborhood turn into petty tyrants when order breaks down. I'm thinking something along the lines of 28 Days Later.
 
Dei

Dei

Ugh, the amount of stupidity running rampant in this show. Also, all of the scenes with military in them made them seem so unprofessional. :/
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

It's almost certain that at least some of them will desert with all that military hardware. Then again, I'm betting at least a few communities managed to survive because they found pallets of MREs on military transports.
 
IronBrig4

IronBrig4

So, it's been 9 days since the rioting and Los Angeles is a ghost town. I had really rather hoped they'd show more of the city falling apart. Mass exoduses of refugees, the LAPD being overrun with undead and desperate people, TV and radio stations going off air, and the interstates turning into buffets for zombies shuffling into all those stalled cars.

Instead the suburb is now a gated community sealed off from the outside world. It seems a bit rushed.

Also, the junkie son hit a new low. You must be a complete degenerate addict to steal morphine from a semicomatose, elderly man.
 
Dei

Dei

I am not even sad that he's gone. I hope they find him too late, because I just can't muster any interest in him as a character.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

So... finale of Fear the Walking Dead. It was alright, which is pretty much what I can say about the entire thing. It had a slow start, but it ended alright and story picks up almost immediately in the second episode.

I actually resent how much better off these assholes are than Rick and the others. They are immediately on a yacht after the end and now they can ride all the way to Hawaii or wherever else they want to go, in luxury. I guess everything is better in LA, even the Apocalypse.

Also, there is all kinds of racist shit going on with Elizabeth killing herself (even if her husband was the one who pulled the trigger). Now Travis doesn't have to feel guilty about wanting to bone his hot white wife instead of having to deal with his first family! I mean seriously, WTF. There was basically no reason for her to die except to solve this issue and even then it would have been way better if she had just died in the fucking army base. Doing it like this means the writers were ether lazy or didn't realize the implications.
 
phil

phil

AshburnerX said:
So... finale of Fear the Walking Dead. It was alright, which is pretty much what I can say about the entire thing. It had a slow start, but it ended alright and story picks up almost immediately in the second episode.

I actually resent how much better off these assholes are than Rick and the others. They are immediately on a yacht after the end and now they can ride all the way to Hawaii or wherever else they want to go, in luxury. I guess everything is better in LA, even the Apocalypse.

Also, there is all kinds of racist shit going on with Elizabeth killing herself (even if her husband was the one who pulled the trigger). Now Travis doesn't have to feel guilty about wanting to bone his hot white wife instead of having to deal with his first family! I mean seriously, WTF. There was basically no reason for her to die except to solve this issue and even then it would have been way better if she had just died in the fucking army base. Doing it like this means the writers were ether lazy or didn't realize the implications.
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I mean I knew they were going to kill off the Ex-wife but I'm not sure if her race had as much to do with it rather than just her position within the group. I agree that it's so that Travis can be with Maddison without that possible triangle being there. Now Travis has lost someone, and soon Maddison will too (probably Nick) and then both of them will only have one person left from their original life. At that point the two of them will have to define the difference between OUR kids and MY kid.

I kinda like the new guy. Him, Maddison and Salazar have got that "fuck everyone else we're gonna live" attitude. However having multiple people like that can be bad as they might want to splinter the group into survivors and the weight dragging them down.
 
Shakey

Shakey

New season!

I liked the flashbacks during the episode. Without them I have a feeling it would have been a pretty boring first couple episodes.

Any thoughts on the zombie pit? Could it have been where the wolves have been collecting their zombies at?

If it was, it could have been them sounding the horn at the end to stop the zombie train. Otherwise my guess is Gabriel.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Shakey said:
New season!

I liked the flashbacks during the episode. Without them I have a feeling it would have been a pretty boring first couple episodes.

Any thoughts on the zombie pit? Could it have been where the wolves have been collecting their zombies at?

If it was, it could have been them sounding the horn at the end to stop the zombie train. Otherwise my guess is Gabriel.
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The quarry was probably just a lucky break, but it IS obvious that someone blocked it off before it got out of hand. So SOMEONE knew about it at least.

And yes, it's almost certain that it was ether the Wolves or someone in the town.
 
phil

phil

AshburnerX said:
The quarry was probably just a lucky break, but it IS obvious that someone blocked it off before it got out of hand. So SOMEONE knew about it at least.

And yes, it's almost certain that it was ether the Wolves or someone in the town.
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Didn't Dr. Dre explain it? During a flashback he talked about how his team found it early on. I'm not sure if he said it was blocked off like that though but I think he might have.
 
Shakey

Shakey

phil said:
Didn't Dr. Dre explain it? During a flashback he talked about how his team found it early on. I'm not sure if he said it was blocked off like that though but I think he might have.
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He said there was a group he thought turned to eating their own. It could have been the start of the wolves, and they funneled the zombies they needed into semis. Or it was just a random group that died off. It seems to me to be too big of a coincidence. They find an endless supply of zombies right after they encounter a group that uses large groups of zombies to their advantage.

Do we really need to spoiler in here?
 
phil

phil

I kind of took it to mean that a camp was in there, but most likely it didn't make it as camps are known to do and no one ever checked back on it because they didn't see the point. I'm not even sure if the wolves are still a thing? Maybe they are.
 
Shakey

Shakey

Morgan met a couple last season, and they are the ones who built the trap him and Darrell were caught in. I doubt they'd just drop it.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

phil said:
True. I need to re watch that episode to see what they were really all about.
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They haven't been shown, and their motivations have never been explained. We've only seen the traps they set, and only know their name because of the W carved into the heads of the zombies they use, and the graffiti on the wall of last season warning about Wolves.
 
Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Ravenpoe said:
They haven't been shown, and their motivations have never been explained. We've only seen the traps they set, and only know their name because of the W carved into the heads of the zombies they use, and the graffiti on the wall of last season warning about Wolves.
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They were shown. We saw two of them at the beginning of the finale, and we saw them again near the end looking through Eric's backpack, seeing the photos of Alexandria that he showed to new recruits, like he showed to Rick and co.

You guys need to rewatch last season. It's on Netflix now.
 
Dei

Dei

I'm watching it on my DVR right now and I'm honestly getting annoying by all of the flashing around to different points in time.
 
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